Profile Auto Save Discussion

Bill -VA3WTB

Joe N3HEE

Bill -VA3WTB

No debate here..lol

Eric-KE5DTO

You can save many many memories before this becomes a concern.  Like thousands of them.  I don't think this is a practical issue.

k3Tim

Joe N3HEE

Modern SD cards have at least 100,000 write cycles.  That's a whole lot of auto saving !

K1UO Larry

and if saving to an SD card the profiles do not get lost when the PC blows up!..  Don't ask how I know this...

Roger_W6VZV

I wonder.  I make numerous changes for every operating cycle -- everything from Mic gain to power levels.  Another reason to hate auto-saving.  I don't want to have to be shipping my Flex back for a new card.

K3SF

If auto save feature is going to be toggled on and off, it would be a good idea to have some kind of indicator on main display it’s current state. Rather than having to go hunting for it. Especially for the M models.

Eric-KE5DTO

We calculated that if we save once a second 24/7/365, the units should last several decades.  I don't think this will be a limiting factor.

k3Tim

That's good news, thanks Eric...

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TiM

Mike VE3CKO

Joe N3HEE

I get that your idea would preserve the original profile but I'm not sure why you would want to recall an autosaved profile. Would you remember what changes were made to it after a few days or weeks time.  I want to load a profile with known settings every time.  It would also double the file count and for folks with 50 or 100 profiles that would be a mess to sort through.  I would rather have a option to turn autosave on or off.

Rich McCabe

I would agree with Joe on this. I do not want anything extra written to my profiles. I would still like to be prompted somehow that a change has been made. I agree with Eric's comments about pop-ups with saving but it would not be an issue with me here.

Maybe three options to make everyone happy
1) Autosave profile changes
2) Do not autosave profile changes
3) Prompt to save profile changes.

Then everyone gets what they want.

Steve K9ZW

Joe N3HEE

Mike VE3CKO

ctate243

k0eoo

Eric, I like the auto save feature, glad Flex included it!  As long as I know it does it I can make sure any changes I make I give a new name to or change it back.  

Thanks again Eric, Dennis, k0eoo

David Decoons, wo2x

I agree with Chris’ suggestion. Make it persistent until next profile load. Dave wo2x

Mack

Agree

Mack
W4AX
Alpha Team

Bill -VA3WTB

I don't get the feeling Flex is looking for a consensus from us, only ideas. Eric and the team will sit down and look over our comments and decide what to do.

Rich McCabe

So basically undo the changes and go back to what it was before?

Joe N3HEE

It already is persistent until the next profile load.  Not sure how your suggestion helps ?

Bill -VA3WTB

I still see the change on the fly panel as a really good thing, having all the settings show in one common place. It's just the way it is implemented.

ctate243

@Joe N3HEE:
Currently the changes are being written to the profile on the fly.  (In fact there is a way to revert now, by re IMPORTING a profile.)  Its an extra step and a bit cumbersome.  My desire is to basically define a currently selected profile as a "session".  during the "session" the changes are persistent, and will remain intact.  you can for instance, adjust your power on a band, switch to a different one, come back and have those adjustments remain intact.  But at any time I would want to revert back to the baseline instantly by simply re-selecting the profile.  In the next post I will give an example of why this makes sense.

ctate243

So.  lets say you are calling a dx station with an amp. You are using a profile you have dialed in for the amp.  you are calling so often that the amp heats up and your power drops, so you nudge it up a bit.  and.. boom you get the ATNO.  you shut down and go eat dinner.

You come back to your radio, and you call another station.. woah.. you are running 1600 watts.  OOPS.  (amp has cooled down.  more power out).  As it stands right now, you would have to re-adjust the power again, and that would again be written to the profile.

If you could just revert to your original settings be reloading the profile, you would be right where you need to be. 

now when you add multiple bands/slices/adapters to the mix you can see how in its current state you can easily loose control of all those settings you took lots of time to dial in.  It would be easier just to re-select the profile you dialed in, and you are back at your optimal starting point on all accounts, without the extra step of having to re-import your baseline.


Make sense?

ctate243

So rather than updating the baseline profile, the changes after a profile load should be written to a currently loaded profile persistence file (rather than the actual profile itself) and maintained for the duration of the current profile load.  when you re-select the profile, that current loaded profile persistence file is reset, restoring all the hard work you have done dialing in your baseline settings.

Eric-KE5DTO

I agree on the problems with accessing the profiles in the drop down list.  I added issue #7536 to address this.  Thanks for reminding me about this.

Eric-KE5DTO

I appreciate the ideas, but I'm thinking towards something simpler to keep it nice and clean.