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6400 Lower Output and Higher PA Temp on 10 & 12m

Using a MyAntenna's 80-10m antenna w/the integrated tuner on - SWR 1.2.

Running FT8 10m at RF Power of 60 and 70 watts really heats up the PA, if more than a few minutes, temperature is greater than 160 F. The fans kick on and spin faster to compensate.

The same on 12m isn't as bad. 10m sees the highest voltage drop and highest temperature.

6m on a resonant dipole is not affected. 10m is the worst …

What would cause this?

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  • W4RXK
    W4RXK Member ✭✭
    edited September 2

    Update:

    On the primary antenna, no tuner, SWR is 1.2. The PA gets hot quick on 10m, it does not rise rapidly on any other band, just 10.

    For example, on FT8, 10m with the SWR at 1.2, it went from 88F to 112F with one FT8 cycle of 15 seconds. With cycles 2 & 3 it got up to 128F. SWR REF is 0.5W. The fan kicked in by then. This measured in FRStack.

  • W4RXK
    W4RXK Member ✭✭

    Also tested on antenna port 2, with a resonant 10m antenna. Without the ATU engaged, SWR is 1.5W with reflected power of 1.5W. RF power set to 70w. FWD power 55w. With several FT8 cycles of 15 minutes, the PA temp climbed to 130F.

  • Trucker
    Trucker Member ✭✭✭✭

    Try it on a dummy load if you have one. And, if it continues to show the same behavior, I would suggest opening a Help Desk ticket so that tech support can help you figure out what is going on.

    James

    WD5GWY

  • Geoff AB6BT
    Geoff AB6BT Member ✭✭✭

    From Chat GPT for what it's worth:

    The FlexRadio 6400 (and 6400M) uses the same RF deck design as the 6600, with a single 100 W power amplifier module.

    The power amplifier transistors (modern LDMOS devices, e.g., NXP/Freescale MRFE6VP61K25H or similar) are designed to safely operate up to ~150 °C junction temperature. However, FlexRadio manages them well below that limit.

    Typical ranges you’ll see in normal operation:

    • Idle / receive: ~30–40 °C (depends on ambient temp and airflow)
    • Transmit, light duty (SSB, CW): ~50–65 °C
    • Transmit, heavy duty (RTTY, FT8, digital, high duty cycle): ~65–75 °C
    • Maximum safe operating range (before protective shutdown): ~85–90 °C reported at the device flange

    FlexRadio firmware will automatically reduce output or shut down the PA if temperatures approach unsafe limits. In practice, most operators report PA temps in the 55–70 °C range during normal use, even with digital modes at 100 W continuous.

    👉 If you’re seeing >80 °C often, it’s worth checking:

    • Dust buildup on the heat sink or fans
    • Adequate airflow around the radio (not enclosed tightly)
    • Fan operation (the internal fan ramps with temperature)
  • Mike-VA3MW
    Mike-VA3MW Administrator, FlexRadio Employee, Community Manager, Super Elmer, Moderator admin

    As suggested, the first thing is try to recreate this with a dummy load.

  • W4RXK
    W4RXK Member ✭✭

    I am trying to find a dummy load locally; otherwise I will go to eBay or elsewhere to source it. While I am sourcing the D.U., given a good match on two antennas with no ATU, less than 1.3, what would cause the heat to rise on 10m more than other bands?

  • Mike-VA3MW
    Mike-VA3MW Administrator, FlexRadio Employee, Community Manager, Super Elmer, Moderator admin

    DX Engineering has 100 w dummy loads for under $40. I looked on eBay and they looked more expensive.

    Your question is a good one. The reason a dummy load is always suggested is because if you send the radio in and we can't recreate the problem then you'll get charged for the bench time.

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