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8600 Low Latency for Digital mode and Bandwidth

I was puzzled today to hear RTTY that is out of my bandwidth. Here is a video demonstration:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1jSJlBDmY5Nvg8WJZKqpos5hoVYjsegsn/view?usp=sharing

After looking around I noticed that I cannot hear that RTTY signal if I disable "Use Low Latency Filters for Digital Modes" check box.

Why is that Low Latency check box affect the Bandwidth? It seems like Bandwidth on SSDR is not real but much wider with that option. Or I do not understand the nature of this interaction. What do I miss?

Sergey, KN7K

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  • Administrator, FlexRadio Employee, Community Manager, Super Elmer, Moderator admin

    Sergey

    We need more information. Are you using RTTY as a mode and working with the Stock RTTY frequencies?

    Or, is the radio in DigiU and treating it like a wideband digital mode?

  • Member ✭✭✭

    Hi Michael,

    Radio was in DIGU mode as you can see in the video and I was surprised to hear RTTY signal that was outside of my filter. And you can see I am adjusting filter around 2.6-2.8khz and RTTY signal is outside of my filter but you still can hear it.

    All good when I disable "Use Low Latency Filters for Digital Modes" check box. I just wanted to learn and understand that phenomena.

    Sergey

  • Administrator, FlexRadio Employee, Community Manager, Super Elmer, Moderator admin

    I might be the wrong person to ask.

    When I do RTTY, I use RTTY mode on the radio so I only hear the 1 RTTY signal I want to work. The RTTY filters are set to use the MARK and SPACE signals for RTTY.

    If you think what you see is incorrect, I would open a support ticket. (and, sorry, I missed the video)

  • Member ✭✭✭

    What I hear in your video is definitely NOT an RTTY signal. There appear to be several FT4 or FT8 signals in the passband and that is what I hear. They sound nothing like RTTY. Did you think to turn the dial so that the RTTY signal just out of your passband moved into the passband and was audible?

    73, Craig, KØCF

  • Member ✭✭✭

    OK, Let's try again

    What do you hear beyond of the filter with  "Use Low Latency Filters for Digital Modes" check box enabled?

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1riKRRWfkUpCP9UYJlZHlp3MdWZWm7ZJ7/view?usp=sharing

    Sergey

  • Member ✭✭

    Sergey,

    If I understand your concern correctly, you are concerned about signals outside of your RX filter bandwidth interfering with the decode of signals inside of your RX filter bandwidth. Or you are just concerned that you are hearing anything at all outside of you RX filter bandwidth and I can understand that. In your example, you are using ft8 , however, you audibly hear a rtty signal outside of your RX filter bandwidth and you do not want to hear it. I heard it also.

    I have used ft8 and the faster ft4 at the sharpest filter setting and had no issues with decode. At the sharpest filter setting for digital, I doubt that you will continue to hear much of anything outside of you RX filter bandwidth if that is your goal. SSDR user guide explains

    The three sliders in the Filters tab control the RX filter sharpness/latency for the three mode groups,

    Voice (USB/LSB/AM/SAM/FM), CW and Digital (DIGU, DIGL, DFM, RTTY). The processing time, or

    latency, of the digital RX filters increases as the slider is moved to the right. Sharper filters require

    more processing time. In applications requiring fast turnaround of signals (e.g. certain contest

    environments), faster filtering of the received signal may be more desirable than adjacent signal

    rejection.

    I did not see anything in SSDR user guide explaining the box that says "use low latency filters for digital modes", however please notice there is a small box to the left of that you can check to make that section "active". You do not have it checked. DO NOT CHECK IT. Also, you may have misunderstood that statement to be a guide for how to set your filter for digital modes. So you disabled AUTO and set filter to low latency. It is NOT a hint on how to set filters for digital modes. It is a specific setting for using "PACTOR" and some other digital mode if I remember correctly. I saw that in another discussion, perhaps "third party software" in a RTTY discussion talking about recommended settings for RTTY contests. It was there where someone explained that users should only check that box if they are using PACTOR and some other digital mode which I can not remember.

    Bottom line Sergey. I personally have had no problems with ft8 or ft4 decodes with the "digital" slider set to max sharp filters. If you do that, I am also certain you will eliminate all signals outside of your RX filter bandwidth.

    I hope this helps

    73

  • Community Manager admin

    Your radio is tuned to frequency where three stations are running either FT8 or JSCALL signals. All three of them are withing your RX Filter bandwidth.
    I can see a RTTY signal higher in frequency. and another RTTY signal below your RX frequency.

    The box for "Use Lower Latency for Digital Modes" is to enable an even lower latency RX Filter mode that has even broader filter "skirts" than the lowest set by the slider for the "Digital" modes. This is specifically for quick turn-around modes like PACTOR. you will notice, if your RX bandwidth is set for 3K, that there is a little sensitivity "roll-off" in the RX filter response at the high and low end of the filter when this is enabled. But the total bandwidth is still a bit wider than indicated on the display.

    In most Amateur use, I recommend leaving the box un-checked.

  • Member ✭✭✭

    Thank you Ken!

    That's what I suspected, it is also more obvious on the 2nd video that I posted yesterday.

    I will keep it disabled

    Mike (KM9R) - below settings were advised by Tim few years ago on one of my ticket discussion with Flex. I do understand the sharpness of the filters, this is not a problem. I just was curious about above.

    Sergey, KN7K

  • Member ✭✭

    Sergey, KN7K

    Happy you got your answer.

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