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Has anyone successfully interfaced the PG XL with an ICOM 7610?

Wayne SchonfeldWayne Schonfeld Member ✭✭
edited May 1 in Power Genius Utility
I have had a PG XL for 10 months and use it flawlessly with a FLEX 6700.  I also have an ICOM 7610.  I have tried multiple times to get the data to transfer from the 7610 to the PG XL.  The data does but stops working after I cease to turn the maindial (PTO) on the 7610.  The linear only works by RF SENSING.  Has anyone successfully interfaced an ICOM 7610 or for that matter any ICOM transceiver with the PG XL.  If so, what were the transceiver's CiV settings?  Thanks

Answers

  • 4O3A Signature4O3A Signature Member ✭✭
    edited May 31
    One of previous emails from N7HQ:
    There are three items to a successful integration between an ICOM 7610 and a PGXL.


    Connect a standard two-wire 1/8” -> 1/8” cable between the radio CI-V interface and the amplifiers. While some systems use a 3-pin connector, the CI-V specifies only tip and shield for the necessary connections. So a 2-wire will work just fine. Be sure to connect it to the correct port on the PGXL – I’ve seen other customers miss this.


    Change the CI-V address of the 7610 to a value that is used by the PGXL firmware. Currently, three ICOM radios (775, 7000, 7800) list in the drop-down menu in the PGXL Windows utility. Use the menu system on the 7610 change the CI-V address to either ($ = hexadecimal value: $46 - IC775, $70 - IC7000 or $6A – IC7800 ); this will allow the amplifier to receive band data from the 7610 over the CI-V interface.


    Connect a PTT cable between the radio and the amplifier. Again, double-check you are connecting to the correct PTT connector on the back of the amplifier. I’ve seen that gum up the works too.


    You will need to select the corresponding radio in the PGXL Windows utility for this to work. The data rate is really up to you – 9600 is just fine – please make sure both ends (radio and pgxl) are the same. Faster is not necessarily better. This connection is used soley for band/frequency data.


    73
  • Wayne SchonfeldWayne Schonfeld Member ✭✭
    edited April 18
    I have done all of that and every iteration imaginable as well.  The PG XL sees data and changes band BUT the data in the PG XL does "lock" and then the only was yo use it is with RF SENSE.  Tried all three ICOMs in the PG XL CAT/CiV menu with their appropriate addresses in Civ, tried all baud rates.  None of it works.  Do we have even one person who has successfully used an ICOM transceiver but specifically the 7610 and been successful?
  • 4O3A Signature4O3A Signature Member ✭✭
    edited April 18
    Last HAM asked for help and fix it sucessfully was Stan - [email protected]
    Also Ria N2RJ uses 7610, I think.

    If you don't solve it, we can help with remote access to your desktop.

    73
    Ranko
  • Dan-N7HQDan-N7HQ FlexRadio Employee, Community Manager admin
    edited April 18
    Hi Wayne,

    Yes, we have had successful integrations of the PGXL and ICOM transceivers.  Can you please describe what you mean by "the PGXL does "lock" and then the only way was to use it is with RF SENSE"

    73,
    Dan N7HQ
  • Wayne SchonfeldWayne Schonfeld Member ✭✭
    edited May 1
    The LCD window of the PG XL has two horizontal columns-A and B.  Also, for each column, is PTT, BAND,amplifier type, and an open window .  When you interface the Flex 6000 series-as soon as the radio is on and listening-the column assigned will show the band and the open window mentions the nickname of the Flex series radio.  PTT lights red on transmit.  The BAND is stable whether on receive or transmit until you switch bands and then the new band is displayed.  If you tune up and down that band, the BAND is locked and the BAND changes immediately if you switch to another band and then that locks.  Seemless!

    With the ICOM 7610, the PTT does turn red on transmit assuming you have connected the PTT cable.  The data from the 7610 shows up transiently in the open window when you tune the radio in receive.  The actual frequency is transiently shown and the BAND will transiently go to whatever band has been chosen on that column.  As soon as you stop tuning, the data and BAND disappear from the column on the LCD even if you key down.  This is what I refer to as "locked"  The Flex transceiver lock the data the minute you select the band.


    OK-hope you are understanding what happens.  If I choose to transmit after the data disappears, the PTT lights red but nothing happens in SSB.  If however you transmit a carrier such as CW, AM or FM then the LCD on the PG XL read PLEASE UNKEY.  When you do unkey, the BAND on the PG XL "locks" on the correct band you transmitted on and the windows which had shown the frequency before it disappears says RF SENSE.  This will lock then on that frequency until you tune to another frequency on that band  if you switch bands.  So the linear does work.  It requires this key and unkey to get the linear to work in the RF SENSE mode.  Having spoken to Flex they understand this but don't know why the CiV circuit isn't driving the BAND change and why the linear needs me to use RF SENSE everytime I change frequency.

    I hope you understand.  Thanks
  • Wayne SchonfeldWayne Schonfeld Member ✭✭
    edited April 18
    Here's the resolution thanks to Stan WA5RTG.  For the ICOM 7610 choose the IC 775 radio in the Power Genius Utility with a baud rate of 9600 and 8N1.  THE CORRECT ADDRESS FOR THE CIV ON THE 7610 IS 6Ah which I was told matched the Icom 7800 not the IC 755.  Now the data stays and locks!!!!!!

    Much thanks and I hope this info is put out for anyone else with the ICOM 7610.  Thanks to all

    Wayne
  • Dan-N7HQDan-N7HQ FlexRadio Employee, Community Manager admin
    edited April 18
    Thank you, Wayne, it's time to submit a helpdesk request and we'll work with you on this. I'm not sure what is going on, but I am certain we will get to the bottom of it.   

    Do you need help with submitting the ticket? 

    73,
    Dan
  • Dan-N7HQDan-N7HQ FlexRadio Employee, Community Manager admin
    edited April 18
    Wayne, very happy that is working. However, there must be a bug with either the firmware or the PGXL windows utility.  ICOM documentation clearly says the CI-V address for the 775 is 46h.  We will be reviewing the CI-V addresses the amplifier uses for ICOM gear. 

    73,
    Dan
  • Wayne SchonfeldWayne Schonfeld Member ✭✭
    edited April 18
    OK Dan-this was what WA5RTG has been using and it works also for me.  I saw a chart of CiV addresses online for all ICOM rigs (independent of Flex and ICOM) and I agree 6A isn't the one for the IC775-but it seems to work.  Let us know if you find a bug.  I have learned al ot about CiV-the wrong addresses can either lead to NO communication, error in communication or in my case transient communication.

    Stay safe and well

    Wayne
  • KD0RCKD0RC Broomfield, COMember ✭✭✭
    edited April 18
    It uses the basic command set for the 775, but that does not change the CiV address for the 7610 which is x6A.
    73,
    Len, KD0RC
  • Presley, W5PDPresley, W5PD Member
    edited April 20
    Wayne, Thank you very much. I have been trying for a while to get my IC 7610 to control my PGXL using CAT with no luck. Ended up using RF Sensing by sending a dash when changing bands. Now the CAT works as it should.
    Of course, the PGXL works great with my 6700.Never a problem there.
    73
    Presley W5PD
  • Wayne SchonfeldWayne Schonfeld Member ✭✭
    edited May 1
    Dan-not sure how to best contact you.  I received an email today about a new firmware upgrade for the PG XL.  Thanks to Flex for this.  My only concern is what you mentioned in your last email.  You said there might be a firmware quitch which would explain why I was only able to interface the 7610 with my PG XL using the ICOM 775 on the PG XL dropdown menu and setting the 7610 CiV address at 6A.  Does the new firmware correct this and will I need to adjust my settings on the 7610.  Thanks in advance.  Really don't want to go through all of that again if Flex changed the commands.

    Wayne WA4YDJ
  • Dan-N7HQDan-N7HQ FlexRadio Employee, Community Manager admin
    edited May 1
    Hi Wayne,

    The problem is not in the firmware, it is in the Windows Utility application (a new version of that is coming soon).  So, no sir, there is nothing you need to do.  When the new utility comes out, you may need to select a different ICOM radio in the list, we're not 100% about that yet, the release notes will cover this issue and our goal is to not require additional changes to your ICOM settings. 

    I can always be reached at my desk (512) 535-4713 x225
  • Wayne SchonfeldWayne Schonfeld Member ✭✭
    edited May 1
    thanks-so I will download the new firmware tomorrow.  I appreciate splitting the SWR alarm-that will be very helpful.  Thanks again
  • W8ASAW8ASA Microwave Parts Guy Member ✭✭

    Did the new firmware solve the issue of having to use the 775 radio commands? The April 30 posts are the last I've seen on this matter. I'm about to order a PGXL for my Flex 6400 and IC-7610, but want to make sure there is no problem BEFORE I order. Ken W8ASA

  • I have the new firmware but it didn't fix the problem. Another ham on the board got back to me. He has interfaced a IC7600 with the PGXL. Here are the settings-and it work fine


    On the PGXL firmware: Pick the IC-755 as the radio, set the baud rate at 9600 and the port to 8N1


    On the ICOM 7610-in the settings menu:

    CiV Baud 9600

    CiV address 6ah

    Turn Civ Transceive on


    I don't know if this will be OK for your IC 6400


    Good luck😀

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