WiFi Fluctuation Question

Dave - W6OVP

Mike-VA3MW

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Tim - W4TME

K5CG

Another thing to consider is channel congestion. Make sure you are using WiFi channels that are not already in use. In fact -being a ham; you can use the lower channels that are not for public use which are less likely to be congested. That might take special firmware for your router but they will certainly be available.

Dave - W6OVP

Dave - W6OVP

K5CG

No defaults, just whatever everybody else in your area is NOT using. Some routers allow you to do a "site survey" but there are apps for phones that will tell you the same thing. Choose an open channel.

Mike-VA3MW

A bit of the challenge is that 802.11G (2.4Ghz) only has 3 channels, 1, 6 and 11.  While it does look like you have more, a 20 Mhz channel actually consumes more.

Channel 6 is actually 4,5,6,7,8 and you really don't want to overlap channels and cause more interference. 

If you can move to 5Ghz (802.11A), your range is less, which is good since it is less prone to interference from your neighbours.

Yes, WiFi as we know it is broken.

Mike  

Martin AA6E

You can roll your own WiFi using the ham-only channels in the 5 GHz band.  See https://www.arednmesh.org/ for example.  It's probably not what most Flex users want, but it would be an interesting experiment.  Maestro would not support it directly.

Mike-VA3MW

Unfortunately, no.  If you search in the community on WiFi you'll see a few posts and studies I did on WiFi and performance testing for 2.4Ghz.

What makes 2.4G such a failure is its inability to support more than 4 clients streaming at the same time.  I just confirmed that when I attempted to hook up 5 WYSE 2.4Ghz security cameras.  3 worked great (at only 100kB/sec) and 4 failed hugely.  

There are alternatives to WiFi if you can't run a cable, but if you can run a cable or even IP over PowerLine (called PowerLine) your performance may improve.  

Your question is not an uncommon one and I wish I had an easy answer.  I take no less then 3-7 phone calls a day due to WiFi performance and it would be awesome if I had a magic button to push for those issues.  

Craig Williams

I am waiting for 2.5 so I can adjust my MTU. My router breaks up packets at 1500. At 1470 it does not. Hoping that fixes the Apple iOS stuttering issue..

Ted VE3TRQ

Switch to 5 GHz WiFi and pick a channel that shows as unused - then monitor occasionally to ensure it still is.

K5CG

That sounds like a feature request. I mean why not? Hams using the Ham channels on the WiFi bands? What a concept!

W9ILY

Martin AA6E

This happens for me when I use Gbit networking. It goes away when I switch to 100 Mbs. Flex doesn't let you do that directly, so you may need to downgrade your router (not so easy) or insert a 100 Mbs switch between radio and ssdr/Maestro.

Dave - W6OVP

Ted VE3TRQ

That only helps if you are running both ends of the WiFi circuit - AREDN uses a modified OpenwRT kernel and then puts a bunch of config around it. Flex would also need to provide your WiFi router if they were to allow use of Ham-only frequencies in the 2.4 or 5 GHz ranges on the Maestro :-(

W9ILY

But my real question is...what difference does it make when the bars drop to yellow when using a wired gigabit connection? I suspect nothing but I'd like to be sure. Thanks for your input.

Martin AA6E

There may be a click when a packet is dropped, but I've never found it a problem. It's mainly esthetic: I don't like the radio telling me I've got a "serious" problem.

Martin AA6E

Well, not exactly. You can use two AREDN nodes that bridge two Ethernet segments - or networks. Flex just sees Ethernet connections. I don't know if the latency and throughput will be good enough, however, especially with mesh routing.

Ted VE3TRQ

My comment was directed to the “feature request” comment above. I have a bunch of Ubiquity gear with AREDN software on it (and with AirOS), and it has good enough performance to route VOIP and, presumably, Flex audio. Just don’t expect a Maestro to work with it unless it’s in bridge mode with an Ethernet connection :-)

K5CG

Hi Ted, I agree, it would have to be at both ends. But if the Maestro could operate on the lower two(?) channels (the feature request) then all you need is a router that supports it too.

Ted VE3TRQ

I believe the Maestro has a commodity tablet inside, and I suppose it does the WiFi (and the Bluetooth everyone would like :-). For it to support the existing AREDN ham-only channel assignments, it would need to have the particular Atheros chipset the AREDN drivers support - that's what allows channels -1 and -2. Better, I think, to just use a free 5 GHz channel. There are quite a few. Not that it wouldn't be a neat idea to have a Maestro on 2.4 GHz Chan -2, but there are a whole lot of things I'd rather Flex added to the radio first!

John WA7UAR

Without wanting to hijack this topic further I’d like to refer folks here interested in an alternative to ARDEN to read and consider this thread on HamWAN. https://community.flexradio.com/flexradio/topics/has-anyone-utilized-hamwan-for-remote-operation-of-a-flex-6x000

K5CG

But you just couldn't help yourself?