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How do you find that you are using the Maestro?

John K6VFR
John K6VFR Member
edited June 2020 in Maestro
Are you incorporating it in your station as a familiar knob radio, strictly using it as a remote, or still trying to figure it out? I'll be getting mine soon and would like to hear from others.

Answers

  • James Kennedy-WU5E
    James Kennedy-WU5E Member ✭✭
    edited June 2020
    Mike , I only give praise for my Maestro, I have use on my Flex 6500 and remote on my wireless LAN. I have walked around in the house talking on MY Maestro, I would really invest in the new feet for the Maestro. Sitting in the living room and having a cold **** and rag chew is priceless. Running the Flex net on Sunday one time was easy. I did have to play with the audio to get the best sound. I hope did this give some meat and potato's to chew on.  Jim WU5E
  • Ernest - W4EG
    Ernest - W4EG Member ✭✭
    edited October 2019

    I love the idea of not having to sit in a room with just a radio and the rest of my family doing things  I'm missing out.

    Now, I can haul my Maestro around if there is a station I want to work . Or, I can check into a net and keep one ear on it.

    I simply love those capabilities...

  • KC9NRN
    KC9NRN Member
    edited October 2016
    Me as well, using my computer is great, using my laptop is something I enjoy but the Maestro is what I'm waiting for.
  • Rick Hadley - W0FG
    edited January 2018
    Mine is used as a remote in the living room so I can keep an eye on the bands and still spend time with the XYL. For serious operating, I want my full 3 monitors with CW Skimmer and HRD Log & Rotor at my fingertips.
  • K0UNX
    K0UNX Member ✭✭
    edited June 2016
    Well, I'm a ragchewer, not a DX'er, or into the "exotic modes," so I'm using it as a terminal.  It turned out PERFECTLY for placement between me and my iMac.  It doesn't obstruct the view of the computer at all, and I use my logger (MacLoggerDX) on the computer while operating.  This is my ideal situation.

    I have several Wi-Fi AP's here, but the only one that works with the Maestro is the Apple AirPort Extreme.  I get some dropouts, so I'm using a wired LAN connection instead.  Wi-Fi is "usable" but I don't like the dropouts.  

    I've had good reports using the HANDHELD MIC (FHM-1).  I'm curious about the "TONE" button on back with just "1" or "2" marked on it.  I didn't see any explanation of that switch.

    I have ONE COMPLAINT about the MIC: THE UP/DOWN BUTTONS DON'T WORK even though the Maestro Manual gives the pinouts for UP and DOWN.  Maybe that hasn't been implemented in software???

    Then, I have ONE COMPLAINT about the Maestro itself: the ON/OFF button on top doesn't seem to work consistently.  I have to press it a few times before it makes connection.  

    The small SPEAKER does a VERY GOOD JOB for it's size.

    I've turned down the backlight, and especially the KNOBS backlight to run them at about half brightness.  That is fine for my basement shack.

    Jim
    K0UNX
    Littleton, Colorado
  • km9r.mike
    km9r.mike Member ✭✭
    edited June 2016
    For a completely different view, I have zero plans for a maestro except perhaps for control of a remoted flex over wan, but I would prefer to do that with SSDR running on a pc vice with a maestro unless the maestro will be the only way to run a third party logger that uses winkeyer while at the same time controlling a removed flex.

    For my current needs, maestro is not high on the priority list.
  • Simon Lewis
    Simon Lewis Member
    edited July 2017
    control surface - local connected in shack and wander round the house remote panel

    no plans external yet
  • John-K3MA
    John-K3MA Member
    edited February 2018
    So most people are using it as a very expensive Windows tablet.  The ability to use full function SmartSDR has been available for sometime via $100 +/- Windows tablets. In addition you can still monitor, control and utilize digital/logging programs with the tablet.  Something the Maestro cannot do.  Oh and it is VPN capable now for use over the internet(WAN).

    So what is the value proposition that Maestro brings to the operation function to put me over the edge and buy one?  I am not convinced yet to pay 10X the price of a tablet because it's cute or because I can.
  • Paul Bradbeer
    Paul Bradbeer Member
    edited June 2016

    Not exactly, John.  My tablet doesn't have knobs to easily and quickly control both VFOs, AGC threshold, bandwidth (the 3 controls I use the most).  Maestro enables me to control my 6500 much easier than with a mouse (I have also programmed my F1 button to toggle between SSB and CW).  Horses for courses...but it's a 'value proposition' that works for me.  I couldn't care less about WAN or even 'sitting on the deck and working dx'...afterall I'm in England...I wouldn't want to get my Maestro wet ;-)

    Paul M0CVX

  • Rick Hadley - W0FG
    edited August 2016
    Paul is correct.  I've found SSDR to be somewhat unwieldy even on my 15" laptop when it's used as a remote, and Stu's lovely iPad app is useless for CW.  In the shack I use a large trackball which is different animal altogether than a laptop touchpad.  For remote use the Maestro is perfect and the instant AGC and bandwidth controls are, in fact, more user friendly than SSDR in any situation; band hopping and multiple pans, not so much.  If we gain the capability to use both simultaneously, the Maestro may find more frequent usage in the shack.
  • Steven Hess
    Steven Hess Member ✭✭
    edited June 2016
    I've stopped using my computer and SSDR entirely.
    The Maestro is a great control surface.  The knobs do everything I need.  
    Yes I'll use SSDR again I'm positive but for my current operation needs it's all I need. 
    Waiting on the enhancements. TNF for one. 
  • K0UNX
    K0UNX Member ✭✭
    edited June 2016
    Totally agree!  I don't use SSDR any more either.  The Maestro is so much easier.  I am VERY interested in getting WAN, but after seeing the difficulties with Wi-Fi, my expectations are much lower than before.  Still, I am THRILLED with the Maestro and the 6500, and wouldn't think of going back to a rice box.

    Jim
    K0UNX


  • Burt Fisher
    Burt Fisher Member ✭✭
    edited August 2016
    How does it perform on your deck in the sun? Can you see a display?
  • Bill -VA3WTB
    Bill -VA3WTB Member ✭✭✭
    edited December 2016
    And, the Maestro is designed as a perfect match for the 6000's. It is not all about the software on remote, it is about the use and control. This, the Maestro does in spades.
  • W7NGA
    W7NGA Member ✭✭✭
    edited December 2016
    I thought I was really going to miss knobs, but frankly, with a good Bluetooth mouse with a well-designed wheel, SSDR is a joy to use. It seems to me that there are many aspects of quick-navigation and control where the mouse is still the most effective choice.

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  • Norm - W7CK
    Norm - W7CK Member ✭✭
    edited February 2017
    I've only had my Maestro for a single day now.  I'm still trying to figure out how I intend to use it.  I have to admit, it is a well built unit.  Everything appears to be top notch.

    While traveling I had been using a very small Dell XPS laptop for quite some time.   I kept my digital software on it, log book, remote hams RCForb software which lets me control rig, amp and tuner.  It also gave me access to the internet, email and a host of other programs. I set up a VPN back to my home network and have been able to use SmartSDR with some success while traveling.

    While the laptop has worked great, I have just gotten tired of hauling it around on short trips.  This past month I've been to Alaska, Florida and North Carolina.  Instead of hauling the laptop with, I've been using RCForb through my Android phone.  It gives me access to the rig, amp and tuner.  I have had zero problems with it so far.  I use a Logitech wireless stereo headset which has fairly good performance.  This headset is small and rests on your neck with earbuds.  I can listen to music, answer phone calls, and talk on the radio via RCForb while connected to the phone or the laptop.

    Now back to the Maestro.  I've been playing around with it this afternoon quite a bit.  Right now it is on my desk in the ham shack running a maximum of 2 slices (I normally have a minimum of 4 slices going).  I am monitoring 50.125 and a frequency on 40 meters.  Unfortunately I can't monitor any more frequencies than that with the Maestro.   It seems to be just a tad cumbersome to use compared to SmartSDR on my desktop machine but that might be due to the fact that it is still really new to me.  The speaker while loud enough is small and just doesn't sound as good as any of my other rigs, but then again, this is a portable device - one has to keep that in mind. 

    So how do I intend to use it?  Good question.  I don't think I will be using it in the shack as I much prefer a good sound system (or wireless headset), large screen and more than 2 slices.  I will most likely use it a little bit this weekend for Field Day just to see how it performs. I'll also be using it a lot when I go out to the shop to work or out in the back yard  I'll occasionally haul it into the living room so I can spend more time with the XYL while I wait for an opening, sked or net to start up.  I do this now with a Jabra wireless headset.

    Inside my truck I have a shack-in-a-box rig.  It works extremely well into a 500 watt amp and Hi-Q screwdriver antenna.  I use the truck to haul my 5th wheel camper.  I don't have a separate rig and antenna for the camper but I usually have a good cell phone connection to the internet while camping.  Until now I've been using my laptop to get back to the flex at home but now I'm thinking that when v2.x comes out, I might try the Maestro instead.  When in the 5th wheel, a laptop is pretty handy though. Like I mentioned above, it performs lots of other tasks as well.

    Some folks might do a lot of contesting which the Maestro would work well for.  I guess to put it simply, Its a quick way to connect to a Flex radio and have access with knobs and a small screen. 


  • Norm - W7CK
    Norm - W7CK Member ✭✭
    edited December 2016
    Pretty hard to beat!
  • Bob - W7KWS -
    Bob - W7KWS - Member ✭✭
    edited February 2018
    My Flex 6300 along with my Maestro is the absolute best 100 KHz to 54 Mhz. spectrum analyzer  that I've ever owned.  The displays are out of this world.  A friend told me today that he was doing some testing and was able to resolve down to 1dB per division on the screen.

    So, that's where my Maestro takes up residence, on the test bench.  I've had it a month but it hasn't found a place in my day to day radio operating.  I'm not a contested nor a DXer so the first iteration of software probably wasn't targeting my interests in the hobby.

    I am optimistic however, so I'm keeping my Maestro as it has great promise and because it works so well for analyzing almost everything radio within its frequency range. 

    Flex has a history of listening to their customers and then making things fit better as the product matures.  I predict that happening with the Maestro and I can't wait.

    Here are some examples of things I look forward to seeing:

    1.  All buttons made programmable to most every function available in the Flex 6xxx or Maestro.  I spoke to Steve Hicks at Seaside about this and he said they limited the functions programmable to just a few and only for the F1, F2 & F3 keys.  This was to make each station uniform so that operators could switch off and know how to use the Maestro right off the bat, presumably in a contest operation.

    Hopefully I put the bug in his ear that a "factory default" could serve this purpose well and that a few programmable profiles could give the rest of us the ability to customize the interface to our own liking.

    2.  A faster boot.  Sometimes the DX spot is gone before the Maestro is ready to operate.  I almost never use my Alpha 87 due to it's 3-minute warm up.  I almost always default to my lesser, 500 Watt KPA500 because of its instant on capability.  This is an example.  Like I said above, I'm not a DXer but catching a friend just as he's signing off is important to me.

    With the Maestro I always have to manually select my one and only 6300 every time I turn Maestro on.  Then I have to select the software version.  I've never once selected an old version.  These selections could be the automatic boot default.  An exception sequence could be selected by holding a key during power up to account for unusual situations.  Say when there are multiple radios on a LAN and I want to change from one to the other radio or when an older version of software is to be tested, Etc.

    3.  Get rid of the step buttons and make them memory buttons & improve the current memory selection via the touch screen.  Right now you have to touch "Menu", then "Memory" then the memory entry of interest and then "Load".  At that point the radio changes but your still looking at your memory list and have to touch "Exit" to get back to the spectrum screen.  That's five keys to select one memory.  It's cumbersome at best for quick memory selection.  With memory buttons you could cycle through those entries quickly and have the added benefit of being able to see the spectrum around the selection.  The current system can be retained for more complex operation.

    As for the two "Step" buttons, using them is very burdensome having moving my hand back and forth from dial to button.  With a good two or three speed tuning dial acceleration algorithm, step buttons are not necessary.  I'm happy to leave them as is, if I can reprogram them as in item #1 above. 

    4.  The battery.  This needs a complete rework so that frequent changes are not necessary.  I've already worn out the two Velcro straps that hold the battery in place and I've dropped the Maestro twice.  Fortunately I haven't broken it, YET!

    I had a discussion with Flex folks at Dayton.  The stated reason for the current approach is concern over liability for lithium batteries.  We all know that some of these lesser batteries have been volatile.  It's a valid concern but one that many others have managed.

    My hope is that Flex will find their way to a well engineered system with a carefully designed or selected battery that can't be easily modified or corrupted by the end user but that would limit potential liability to that which a reasonable insurance policy would cover the risk.

    5. Networking.  While it works just fine in my LAN, it seems to me that improvements are inevitable,.  There are just too many other radio manufacturers out there with successful remote control and audio platforms so that we all know it can be done well and at a distance.  I'm sure that it's just a matter of enough time for the Flex software engineers to get to this one.

    Like I said, the Maestro is a wonderful piece of hardware.  The software is very good for a first release.  I think back to Windows 3 and remember how bad an initial release of software can be. 

    Even though I had to wait several extra months to get mine, I sincerely thank Gerald Youngblood and Steve Hicks for holding back the Maestro until the product was ready.  Now, my hope is that it's going to be all about rounding out a few rough edges and delivering great new features. 

    What hardware radio manufacturer can do that without asking us to buy a new radio every few years?

    73
  • G4NRT
    G4NRT David N Bondy Member ✭✭
    edited January 2018
    I work mainly digital modes and my Maestro sits on the desk between the rig and my PC screen.  I like the easy accessibility to knobs without having to bring SSDR to the front to make adjustments when I need to be looking at the digital mode screen.
      
    On the other hand, at the weekend, I was working JT65 on one slice and chatting to various Museums on the Air on the other - both on 40m as I only have the singe SCU 6500.  

    I really like my Maestro but cannot believe how many fingerprints I need to keep wiping off the screen! Also, although I have four batteries (count 'em(, until I can use WAN remote, I only run the Maestro powered!

    David G4NRT
  • Steven Hess
    Steven Hess Member ✭✭
    edited June 2016
    I'm using mine in the shack with the speakers and mic attached to the radio.
    You can set it up for that in the configuration screens.  
    It keeps me from having to run a computer when I don't really need one. 
    Otherwise I use SSDR.
  • KC9NRN
    KC9NRN Member
    edited October 2016
    K3MA, 

    Exactly, deciding on buying the Maestro was purely the geek in me. I know my HP Omen laptop is more than sufficient as is my desktop and heck, even my HP ML350 server would do but the Maestro like a portable shack in my living room. I also plan on spending more time with the XYL, she can watch her TV programs that I have zero interest in and I can listen via headphones to the Maestro.

    Do I "need" the Maestro, absolutely not, I just "want it" and I hope it's good enough to keep wanting it as time goes by because it costs almost as much as the HP Omen laptop! 

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