With Windows 10 Anniversary Update rolling out just under a week from now, are there any SmartSDR issues/concerns/hints to get past this major update?
Rumble is that Windows 10 Anniversary Update is basically the latest Windows 10 Insider Edition with some final launch tweaks. As several Community Members have said they are doing the Windows Insider updates I'm hoping they may have some advice.
Do we need to budget time to do one of the SmartSDR update procedures or will Windows 10 Anniversary Update install without messing about with SmartSDR/SmartCAT/DAX?
Thank you in advance to any community members and/or FRS who can offer planning advice for this upgrade to Windows 10.
If you haven't seen it, there is a video that outlines the changes, and as you noted they seem to be mostly UI tweaks and a few other enhancements to programs that shouldn't impact SSDR. (but you never know with Win updates)
I was installing the insider updates on a test machine for a while but stopped when things got stable.
Regards, Al / NN4ZZ
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When I reinstalled SSDR FlexVSP did not install,and reinstall, uninstall, and reinstall had no effect. I finally did a search for FlexVSP in Windows explorer and ran it from there. It installed perfectly and there have been no further issues.
Not having done further testing I do not know the cause and it may well be unique to my setup.
1) I have raised a couple of threads over a number of weeks about this problem.
2) At no point has FRS provided any official response by way of
a. acknowledging the problem
b. provided feedback that is being (or will be) investigated
c. come up with a practical solution
The crux of this problem is that other than preventing Windows updates for good, this problem will not go away, and may perpetuate with every new Windows update that requires a registry refresh or a driver enumeration.
Windows updates tend to happen in a chaotic way, almost randomly applied (often unannounced) during the shutdown and/or start-up routines. This means that you cannot take avoiding action before it happens (you won’t know when until it’s too late). You just have to sort out the mess afterwards.
Suggesting a removal and fresh install of SSDR etc before every Windows update is dreadful. Even then you will still somehow need to know that the particular update is going to cause conflicts.
I have seen reports of similar issues on this forum regarding Win 8.1 updates vs CAT/DAX, so it is certainly not a new issue.
The anniversary release begins full roll-out from August 2nd. Fingers crossed!
Hopefully I have followed all this reasonably well.
What I am taking away is:
Most systems seem to deal with the periodic Updates - the push stuff that Microsoft pushes to Windows 10 users to tweak/repair/adjust things. In general unless you have had Update woes before you generally do not need to go through the remove & reinstall.
Less systems weather the full "service pack like" Upgrades - the instances where Microsoft does a larger scale overhaul of the Windows Package without a remove and install. The same higher risk applies if upgrading Windows versions (say 8.1 to 10).
In all cases YMMV as the individual Windows Hardware/Software "brew" is varied in ways that can either mess with usually safe practices or even allow continued trouble free performance when problems might be expected.
In all cases allow either Updates or Upgrades to load while the SmartSDR systems are running is not a safe practice.
The exact mechanisms that are causing problems are non-obvious and elusive, preventing FRS from reworking the SmartSDR infrasystem without risking breaking things but just in a different way.
Whittled down further I've taken away simple rules:
Don't let Windows 10 Update when SmartSDR ecosystem is running, though without SmartSDR running usually you can let Updates happen.
Don't let Windows 10 Upgrade without making a backup of your profiles, doing the recommended removal preparation (which means by definition SmartSDR cannot be running) and then reinstall SmartSDR per recommendations after the Upgrade.
If it breaks, try the FRS repair procedures first, and if they don't work put in a repair ticket so you can get the customized assistance your particular setup might need.
Did I get the gist of all this right? I'd really like to boil it down to a sort of a checklist for use with the hams I help with their setups.
I had a full image backup of the machine just before, and another straight after the W10 upgrade. So, I thought I'd spend some time comparing them on a couple of VMs. Should be in bed long ago but this has got the better of me.
When I unlocked the reg key allowing me to see hidden devices I found some ghosted ports. These were there even on the pre W10 upgrade image! something like COM110 to COM119 I think.
I have not created these ports so I am guessing they might have been there for some time, maybe a previous version of SSDR, or maybe whilst having several SSDR versions installed concurrently. I really don't know where they would have sprung from.
My proper ports are in 3 Groups. COM1=build-in mobo port, COM2 USB to RS232 port (adaptor), COM6-9 PCIe board to give 4 extra 232 ports for SteppIR, rotator etc., COM5 = SSDR
I removed all the previously ghosted ports and then did the W10 update again and all went fine. So that is definitely the priority thing to check before an upgrade. With luck it may be the only thing to check, narrowing the effort and agro involved at least.
Yes, your on top of it now.
Somehow Windows cluttered up your serial ports.
For some reason Windows like to keep it's messes hidden.
Once ghosted they will hang around forever it seems.
The only real solution is to start over without the clutter.
And that requires "manually" removing/deleting/uninstalling each ghosted port, one at a time until none remain.
I'd swear I've seen Ghosted ports return after a reboot, immediately after removing/deleting/uninstalling all of the ghosted ports. So I throw in an extra reboot and re-verification, that they have really all been removed.
Probably just an extra, un-needed, step.
Caused by my own magical thinking, but I do it anyway just for luck.
It seems to be more about Upgrades, either Windows, or SmartSDR, being performed over Ghosted Serial ports, and sometimes Ghosted DAX devices.
Cleaning out the clutter first is the solution.
But if there's no hidden clutter, upgrades shouldn't break things. And your much more likely to enjoy quick/simple trouble free upgrades.
BTW, nothing wrong with having Image backups ready, ahead of time.
73, Jay - NO5J
Create a windows shortcut with the following as the Target.
Just paste that into the target field when creating or editing the shortcut.
Name the shortcut, Reliability Monitor.
Then try opening it.
It gives you a view of your Windows 10 performance over time.
I will display any updates as they are installed and whether they were successfully installed or not.
It's sort of an update logger in that respect.
It also show you things like Driver crashes, SmartSDR Crashes, etc.
Each time you open it it opens with the current status highlighted on the far right.
Play around with it and you will find a lot of information you didn't realize was available.
I Pinned this shortcut to the taskbar and slid it to appear first on the left side of the taskbar.
You might find it useful as the Windows 10 Anniversary Updates are rolled out.
73, Jay - NO5J