Stranger in a strange land ...

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I've been a ham 50 years. I was 13, reading QST and Popular Electronics underneath the sheets by flashlight, after hearing my mother scream to turn out the lights and go to sleep. Nah, I wanted to read about the Novice stations and their pursuit of WAS and WAC using NC-303's, HQ-110's, and Globe Scouts. I dreamed of one day owning a Viking Ranger and working the world. I wanted to be an engineer. I grew up .. went to Stanford, and got a PhD. 

I don't have issue with tweaking the tuning on my antenna tuner and amplifier. I don't mind manually switching antennas, using a bug, slepping QSL cards to the Post Office, calling CQ to find a kindred-spirit worthy of an hour long chat, or hoping to find an RTTY station that loves the mode as I do. Someone that, like me, desires more than a disingenuous signal-report and a 30-second QSO. Someone that loves the mode, sees the underlying beauty of, and someone that holds dearly to that same passion for discovery.

I know ... different strokes for different folks. I get it ..

On this forum, I read of the contesting world and the directions unfolding. I own a Flex 6300 and enjoy it. It sits next to my Collins S-line, my 75A4's, my Drake C-line, my R390A. The Flex outperforms every receiver I own. My grandsons think it is cool and love the panadapter. But dudes .. it isn't perfect. I listen to the Flex-Net on 20-meters, and the obsequious signal reports where everyone sounds so buttery smooth and perfect and always 5/9 (if they are Flex'ing). Heads up .. most of those signals, tuned to with a critical ear, sound marginally acceptable. I'm being polite ... and no, just because you bought a PR-40 does not mean you sound FB. Sorry.

The joke is, that most Flex 6000's have an echo on their signal due to RF intrusion. It may be subtle but it is insidious and noticeable to the critical ear. Additionally, perfect 100% AM modulation is not attainable through the ACC port and RF ingress is very problematic. This too, is well-documented and the topic of many ESSB and AM aficionado discussions. 

So, don't forget about the non-contestor ... please. The little guy that loves to pound out a CQ on CW, thrills in the sonics of bodacious AM, and gets chills every time they hear the crisp 170hz shift of a DX RTTY station.

I accept the changes .. I just don't care for them nor like the trend. I am excited by Maestro, but it has absolutely nothing to do with contesting.

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73's

dan  W7NGA
San Juan Island, Wa. 
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(I accept the changes .. I just don't care for them nor like the trend) What changes are you talking about?, can you expound a little? It is interesting after Flex worked with some of the most prominent contester's to help design the Maestro, you say it has nothing to do with contesting.
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I agree with Bill. I read your post twice and still can't decipher your point(s).

Jon...kf2e
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Geez .. Ernest, I almost detect an attitude at play here. Honestly, I had a glass of wine and reacted to the questions vis-a-vis Maestro on this forum and they all seemed to be contest related. I too will ultimately buy a Maestro and I am hoping it will serve my plebeian requirements as well as contesters.

That was the intent with a little fun and nostalgia added. I should also say that you do not know me, do not know the engineering and mathematics I do, and I see no reason for an ad hominem attack here, tangentially or in jest.

Life is too short for this Ernest ... see you on 15-meters perhaps.

73's

dan W7NGA
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Take care Dan and yes life is rather short so I already had a drink and a toast to you!
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Let me clarify. Maestro was not just designed for contesting.  However, if the "knobs" work well for contesting/DXing, they will be ergonomically efficient for most other applications.  The reverse is not necessarily true.  

Take a look at the definition and placement of the knobs and buttons on Maestro to judge whether they work for you. There are 12 knobs, 15 buttons, and an 8 inch high definition touch screen.  The physical controls cover the most used functions with the next most used one touch away.  Maestro is designed for maximum radio workflow productivity and ergonomics.
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I am a very occasional contester using my 6300.  Contesting plays a very small part of my HF Amateur radio life.  Good ergonomics, extreme portability, and capability are the  trifecta in my wheelhouse.  The promise of Maestro addresses all of these.  

Maximum workflow and excellent ergonomics on a HF Rig is the proverbial flood which lifts all boats....Contester and Non-Contester alike.
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Dan said:  "The joke is, that most Flex 6000's have an echo on their signal due to RF intrusion. It may be subtle but it is insidious and noticeable to the critical ear. Additionally, perfect 100% AM modulation is not attainable through the ACC port and RF ingress is very problematic. This too, is well-documented and the topic of many ESSB and AM aficionado discussions."  

My response would be, open a ticket with Flex Tech support and supply as much documentation possible so that if this problem really exists it can be handled.  

If this problem exists and a workaround or best practice exists to either null the problem or drastically reduce it, provide those solutions here.
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     He is excited by Maestro, and other technology, but for him, it's not because of contesting.
He has enjoyed being on the path that has brought us this far.  (My interpretation)

Ned,  K1NJ
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Could be right Ned, If get a Maestro it won't be for contesting.
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The changes are towards contesting .. I see a trend. I accept that the world is competitive and this might be where the winds blow .. but I think it is to the detriment of amateur radio. I read this forum and the thrust is clearly towards contesting. I'm just the guy in the thatched shack with the local gazing through the window, as I pound out another CQ. The buzz is around contesting .. not the guy just trying to have a QSO with a rig that works outstandingly .. bare bones. The Flex 6300 isn't prime-time .. so don't obsess on Maestro until the 6300 meets the requirements of us in the trenches, desiring stellar AM and ESSB performance. Those of us ... just wanting a radio that works to our expectations.

I cannot think of any other way to express this ...

I'm feeling as if a dinosaur ... hamasaurous?

dan  W7NGA
San Juan Island, Wa.
 
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Burt,

I once heard a rag-chewer talking SSB on 14.000MHz.

Field day is considered a contest by ARRL - it is listed on their contest calendar: see for yourself.

Since you do despise every contest, then the reasoning you have given for your stance is bogus. There is no reasonable objection to some of the small state contests (e.g. SD, AK, or RI); it's likely you've never even encountered them. Do you just need someone or something to despise?

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From the ARRL site, "Field Day is not a contest; no certificates are awarded. Find a Field Day site near you or input your site to share with others." Now I wonder if you will something few hams do, apologize?

I despise child molesters so if I have an opinion on them, my opinion is bogus?

I need nothing to despise. I like you and almost all the hams here. Most are much smarter than I.

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From the ARRL site, "Field Day is not a contest; no certificates are awarded. Find a Field Day site near you or input your site to share with others." Now I wonder if you will something few hams do, apologize?

Ok, Burt. You are correct, I was wrong. You must have really swelled up when you found that little gem. Please tell me, though, since they list the event on their contest calendar, post FD results with the rest of the contest results, and define the objective of the event as "To work as many stations as possible on any and all amateur bands...", how is it that this event is, in your mind, a good event, whereas, any other event with similar objective is a bad event? Is it simply because there is no certificate awarded for FD? Are the signal reports somehow more honest for FD? Are the contacts longer than 10s for FD?

I despise child molesters so if I have an opinion on them, my opinion is bogus?

This is a dishonest tactic, Burt. Child molestation is immoral by all sane standards and all forms of it are against the law. It is not a matter of opinion. Opinions can be bogus, though.

I need nothing to despise. I like you and almost all the hams here.

I like you too, Burt. I just think your opinion of contesters is entirely too harsh and rigid. Without contesters, this hobby might wither and die.

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A rose by any other names smells as sweet.
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SteveM. My God a ham that admits he was wrong! Amazing. However in the same vein you were also right because on your link under the ARRL contest calendar, there it was, Field Day. Thus you had good reason to say Field Day was a contest as the ARRL talked out of both sides of its mouth. 
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Dan, I know what you are saying about contesting, It is what drives many. When contesting is going it is almost impossible to talk to any other station out side the contest. Many times I have just shut things down for the weekend till it finishes.

I don't share your thoughts on prime time. I have a few very nice rigs in my shack and the Flex is my main radio, It out performs them all and really now that the noise mitigation  is coming around there is not much I'm wanting. The radio does everything I want. And have had almost no problems to mention. but i don't push things to the edge like others do here, just simple operation every day.

If the Flex Is not EQed for your voice it can sound very much like anything else, how ever I have heard many that are setup well and they are some of the finest sounding rigs on the air, Dave W2OX is one for example. 
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" What's wrong with him, Bill? Is he stupid?" Did I misinterpret this?
"Does a casual QSO on 15m include setting a big-fat AM" Didn't you say that?

I invite a correction.

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Burt!!!!

Please read the context of my post. I used the word "stupid", but I did not call anyone stupid. I asked Bill if my son is stupid for having a good time making QSOs yet never complaining about contesters.

I used the word "fat", but I did not describe any person as fat. That an AM signal is "fatter" than a CW signal is a generally accepted truism.

I now refuse to post in this thread anymore.

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@Burt - another 10 points towards your 2015 Curmudgeon of the Year Award.. that makes 30 points in 2 days...You are slowly catching up to N6KI who still leads you by at least 1,000 points as he gets an automatic 100 points for annoying me every time he yells at me for being too slow to catch a Q in a contest...
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Steve I never said you called a person fat. You insulted AMers by deriding their mode.

Howard you can't copy the letter Q?

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Funny Retort Burt....!!!!!
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I think the FRS team is composed of type A personalities and am confident that they will not rest until they have a product that is mature in all areas of development and are smart enough to implement advances in one subset to improve areas in another subset. A win win vice the hypothesized win lose.
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We are all A++ type folks ;-)
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Yes understand fully and sorry for the unintended slight.
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No slight  Some days we just want to be an "A" and relax a bit.