SmartSDR v1.4 Update Posted

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For those who are wondering where we are with SmartSDR v1.4, I've posted an update in the announcement section.  Here is a link.  Thanks for your continued support.  73, Gerald

https://community.flexradio.com/flexradio/topics/smartsdr-v1-4-update
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Thanks Gerald. Sad to see FreeDV misses out this time around. I hope it is not too long until SmartSDR Waveform Interface sees the light of day.

Best 73.
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Flexradio=Pinocchio?
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Gerald - K5SDR, Employee

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Oh, and I love my iPad.  I carry it with me everywhere I go.  I am the only person left on the planet who does not own a smart phone.  I see no need when I carry an iPad because I can read and type on the iPad.  Who makes phone calls anymore.

My iPad fell out of the car and cracked the glass last week.  I was very sad.  Still work though.  Note that when you drop an iPad it often damages the WiFi antenna so that you don't get much range anymore.  That happened to me months ago.  

I still love my iPad and will buy a newer one soon.
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Jim Best

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What a bunch of rude cry babies.
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Burt Fisher

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I have a photo for you
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SteveJ

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Burt, is that your baby photo?
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Burt Fisher

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It was taken at a hamfest when they ran out of doughnuts for contesters.
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and if I may be so bold....
     perhaps break some of the major pieces out to make separate releases.

In any case, I am still enjoying the 6500 as is!    (do not need at this time FM / thin net / FreeDV)

_..--
 k3Tim
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FreeDV will not be in this release IIUC.
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Thanks for the update Gerald. Looking forward to 1.4 release.
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G4YDO

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thanks for what? no date nothing but dribble. it`s only 4 nonths later.

 
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Burt Fisher

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Not nice, by the way what are, "nonths?"
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Bob G W1GLV

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grow up dude
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bert grow up.
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Burt Fisher

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Paul, I am not ignoring you, Tim has asked I not respond to you. My name is not, "bert."
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I knew I had been mugged all along

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Thanks for the update Gerald.  I worked in the software development field for a number of years and I know how frustrating it can be putting the final touches on a product while your clients wait impatiently for its release.  I also realize just how hard it is to predict when a product will be ready for release.  Some customers expect announced estimated timelines to be chiseled in stone and when they pass, they somehow feel betrayed - just human nature I guess. 

I for one am waiting patiently for v1.4 and when it arrives, it will be like Christmas all over again.  I appreciate hearing from you and the Flex Radio staff regarding future development ideas, estimated timelines and tentative release dates.  I will try my best to remember that your timelines and announcements are made in good faith based upon what you know at that particular instance in time.  I realize just how hard it is to estimate when a task might be completed.  Seemingly simple functions can sometimes become monumental.

I want to thank you so much not just for keeping us appraised of your software development teems progress but also functionality we may expect to see in the future.   Flex Radio is a tremendous company and I think you keeping your customers in the loop is just another very special service that makes this company quite unique!  Please don't let any griping you may hear deter you from future announcements.  I love being kept in the loop and knowing what is coming next - whenever that may be.

Norm - W7CK


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Hi all

Perhaps I did not do my research thoroughly before I bought my 6300.

I was under the impression that it was an all mode radio and would include basic functions like FM.

****************The UK advertising stated it was all mode.**************

I use FM on a regular basis and personally do not care about remote operations and other computer "geekery". but I understand the requirements of others.

I am a radio ham and want to use a radio.

The 6300 is a fine radio except for lack of FM functionality.

I own a flex 3000 and a flex 5000 .

I understand that flex users are always on the leading edge of Hi tech SDR and Flex caters for all types of users both radio hams and computer techs and LAN wizards.

But Flex please get the radio to what an all radio should do FIRST. and soon.

73

Bob


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Bob, you will get FM.  Promise - cross my heart and hope to die as used to say as kids. Used it myself at home on a FLEX-6700 with alpha releases last fall.  East coast repeaters were coming in to Texas like gang busters on 10m.  

To my knowledge, FlexRadio has never used the term "all mode" in any of our official corporate communications.  That would be stupid because a true "all mode" radio does not exist out of the box anywhere.  
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Bob any offer I make will be conditioned on you leaving this forum
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Burt - your banter with Bob is getting too personal and is not constructive to this post.  Please refrain from further comments of this nature.  Thank you. 
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His comments about Flex  were getting too personal and is not constructive to this thread. He gets a pass?
That said, I will adhere and not banter with Bob any further on this thread based on your polite request.
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Well, hopefully, Flex caters to Ham Radio Operators period. These folks may, additionally, be geeks or network nerds or whatever else. I also take a dim view of unlicensed car drivers, minors (actually anyone) smoking tobacco and minors drinking alcohol.
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so I have to go to my ham club on Monday and get all the comments again.thanks
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Gerald,

My radio is packed so do not be in any hurry. 
Moving in 3 Weeks from California and sightseeing the USA underway to Amelia Island, Florida.
Looking forward to use v1.4 sometime in April or May when I get to my new residence.

Till then 73
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Have a safe trip and keep in touch.

Best 73.
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Ernest

Keep in Touch
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Gerald - K5SDR, Employee

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Does anyone know of a machine that will turn whining into extra software engineers?  I would buy one of those in a heartbeat.  I am barely letting our engineers take a bathroom break as it is now.  ;>)  
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Gerald you knew what you were dealing with when you started Flex, hams.

Hams are cheap and unappreciative, give the engineers extra days off and tell the hams to, wait, I cant say that here.

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Paul, G4YDO give it a rest spend some time with your family.
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Robert -- N5IKD, Elmer

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Gerald,
I don't understand the problem, just hire 2,846 programmers and you will have time to spare. ;-)
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G4YDO  it will be released in 2015.... OK now you have your date but I bet you still aren't a happy camper.
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Gerald, I am actually available now that I am semi retired.
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At last Gerald. You shot back.  Do you get it now?   Stop listening to the Mob!


With this 2nd delay I'm betting as I have stated elsewhere, you're going to have to raise prices above what you have projected on the major software upgrades.   Software development is expensive!!!! And Hard. You know this better than I!

Don't wait. Announce a price rise on Smart SDR Version  2.0 now. And announce that V. 2 will be out when your team gets it done.    And then don't say anything until you release it. No further comment. 

You'll be better off. Though there will be no less whining from the user base. They can't help it.

Mike/WA4D
wa4d.net 
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That would be counter productive and destructive. I'd keep the price the same and limit/shorten the life of v2 (which of course nobody has a clue about so it cannot do and harm).
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Gerald, God Bless you guys....No good deed goes unpunished, does it?  

Take heart...there are more of us who understand the challenges of making next generation software solutions against a timeline than those who haven't a clue.  The majority of us appreciate the tremendous task FRS has taken on in creating a completely new paradigm in Software Defined Radio.  We appreciate your deft manning the conn of FRS and look forward to utilizing 1.4 when it passes muster.  

Please pass my sincerest thanks and admiration to your team!
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Gerald

Your too soft...

I would never let my programmers out for a Bathroom break...just give them empty Mountain Dew Cans...

Yes.. we used to have Free Beer in the Fridge to sooth the all-niters...

But the rest of the time lock them in the room with lots and lots of caffeine

Seriously Guys....

If you have ever had to do a software development project, you already understand that they are INVENTING something entirely new that has never been done before.. Even things that on the surface seem quite simple have unknowns that bite you in the butt when you actually try to do it...

Integrating multiple systems can be especially trying because putting things together always seems to bring out a new set of unknowns...that not only have to be identified but also fixed..

For those of you who have never done a software development project, I can understand that you can't understand why it seems to be taking so long...

To cure this mystery.. I suggest you buy a programming book and try to program a couple of obviously simple tasks... you may be surprised to find that it takes you many times longer to do it than you would have ever guessed... I bet once you try to do some software development you will understand how hard it is (not just to do it but to get it right) and stop wondering why it takes so long

All this whining will not make 1.4 come any quicker or sooner...
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Perhaps those who have a commercial interest in seeing that feature 'x' or component 'y' is released by a certain date can provide onsite engineering resources in order to facilitate the completion of the project according to their particular priorities and schedule.  I work in the software industry as well and this would not be an unprecedented outcome.  

Those of us without a commercial interest in the next release might do well recognize that a roar without a corresponding incremental revenue stream is not the roar of a lion but of a mouse and adjust their tone accordingly.  

Finally, let's not forget that if we sufficiently annoy a sole proprietor, he is free to sell his operation to any interested party (cough, cough, MFJ) and move on to other pursuits.  How responsive do you think the new owner would be?
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I'm happy as long as v1.4 doesn't break my "super secret" app I'm working on! Ok, just kidding!
All mode means to me AM,SSB,CW(and FM on newer rigs). But, seriously, I am looking forward to v1.5 and SmartSDR reaching parity with PowerSDR. Once the DSP (NB,ANF,TNF) work as well as they do in PowerSDR, I'll be a happy camper.
But, no rush otherwise, as I know the API will change and force me to rework all my code.(borrowed and my own creation)
Fun, fun guys! It's just a radio and quite enjoyable as it is.
my .02
James
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Gerald, keep the faith you have one of the best radios in the world. I have all the faith in the world that v1.4 will probably be the greatest revision ever. Love my 6500.
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Thanks for the update Gerald! No complaints here, looking forward to 1.4 when it is ready. :)

By the way, Apple is super-secret, but Microsoft has gone way public with their Office 365 roadmap.  They just push out new features as they become ready.  See how they do their roadmap here (in case it gives you any ideas): http://roadmap.office.com/en-us

-Robbie KI4TTZ
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Thanks Gerald. 
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As a new owner but the developer of several software packages and lead on several major projects I found the one thing I could ill afford was the "RUSH TO FAILURE" mode that seemed to come out as the time line got shorter. While I to would like the new version of software have been out yesterday it's not practical to release it only to have to patch it next month because you missed a critical bug. I'll continue to use, explore and be delighted with my 6500. I also learned a long time ago that "If your willing  to bitch you MUST be part of the solution"

noun
1.a means of solving a problem or dealing with a difficult situation.

If we are not part of the development team, Alpha testers, Beta Testers then I assume my job as part of the solution is to wait quietly unless asked to preform some other duty... I for one would love to do Beta testing and be a bigger part of the team. 

Best regards to the development team
Waiting patiently

Dan KC4GO 
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Too tired tonight to write this but I will tomorrow.  It starts off like this...

A guy walks into the bar and says, "Gimme a beer, bartender."  Bartender asks, "How's it going, Joe?"  Joe says, "My wife is at the hospital birthin a baby."  Bartender, "Huh, why aren't you there with her?"  Joe, "Oh, there ain't nuthin to birthin babies.  Doc said it'd be here by mornin."  

More tomorrow after a cup of java.
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Ha!!
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Thanks Gerald for the info..  Look forward to the new software when it is ready..

73s Jim K4JAF

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I didn't know you guys were writing in Java.  <grin>

Bill, N5TU
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I home roast my own java every week.  
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Thank you so much, Gerald.  I am eager to see version 1.4 when it is ready for "prime time."

73, Bill, N5TU
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Gerald,
Thanks for the update.  I'm still glad that I got a 6700.  I use it daily and am very pleased with it.  Good luck on getting the kinks worked out of v1.4.  BTW, a friend of mine who was the head of electronics development for the department that I managed, once likened development to a sack full of venomous snakes.  He said, you beat on the sack until you felt safe enough to put your hand in it. LOL
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My wife and I are LOL about beating the sack full of snakes! 
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It's easier herding cats than overseeing Software developers.

 :-)
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Reminds me of this video http://youtu.be/1SmgLtg1Izw :)
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Yay, EDS. My alma mater!

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Hello Gerald-

I love my 6300 and am not about to sell it out of frustration or impatience, but I do have a few thoughts. Having been part of difficult projects which are taxing in the extreme with unknowns that threaten the very premises I am not about to snipe at the time schedule slippage.

However, SmartSDR feels like it was written on a sterile government contract in response to some obscure RFB. May be good solid engineering, but dull, and appears to be wandering in the wilderness. Neither user friendly nor much fun to use.

When demonstrating SDR I use the 1500 or 3000 with PwrSDR rather than the 6300 because it shows MUCH better and is easier for all to appreciate. PwrSDR generates immediate excitement while Smart does not. I also like to use PwrSDR far better for my simple casual hamming needs and wish a PwrSDR "face" was available for the 6300!

The forum is full of esoteric suggestions to improve SmartSDR but I have some elementary ones. I'm concerned that way too much time is being spent on very advanced features which are of critical interest to only a small minority of 6000 users rather than simple features and good ergonomics. Reminds me of both car and computer companies that had too much fun pursuing their own dreams rather than those of their customers, and they are now gone.

The air may be better at the top of the mountain but most people live closer to the base. That's where most customers live too.

Here are some specific but very basic suggestions:

  1) Bring back the frequency scroll by mouse roller on every frequency digit.
  2) Bring back the station scroll feature on the WWV and GEN buttons.
  3) Bring back all the Panafall type options.
  4) Bring back features that invite new users to try, instead of seeing how deep they can be buried.
  5) Make it easy for newbies to sit right down and use Smart rather than wonder what to do with it.
etc etc, etc, ...

My 6300 runs beautifully, but it would be much more fun to use if it was less like work and more like play. .

Best 73   Dave  W6OVP
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Drop By Any Time... It's incredibly easy to spot my house

Any and all Hams are automatically welcome PLUS I have a dedicated beer fridge and dedicated Wine Dispenser to make the visit less stressful

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Howard. I would love to stop buy if I ever get to San Diego again. I was in Orange COunty about 9 years ago for a leadership workshop and spend my free day visiting the Mission at Capistrano and at the beach at Pt. La Holla. I enjoyed the drive in my rented 3 cylinder Chevy.
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Howard. I would love to stop buy if I ever get to San Diego again. I was in Orange COunty about 9 years ago for a leadership workshop and spend my free day visiting the Mission at Capistrano and at the beach at Pt. La Holla. I enjoyed the drive in my rented 3 cylinder Chevy.
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I would love to have you at my station.... R U going to Dayton this year?
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I am hoping to.  My work schedule is still fluid and uncertain.  We have some major "mission & vision" planning & evaluation consultation things ahead and I don't have those dates nailed down yet...(waiting on judicatory staff schedules)  Otherwise I would have already taken you up on the offer to grab one of the rooms in your reserved block at the hotel.  It may be a rather spontaneous decision.  But it is only about a 3 1/2 hour drive for me.
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I love and am thankful for my ever evolving radio. Thanks to you all at Flex for the effort and long hours. These delays are a small price to pay for quality coding and excellent pre-release testing ethics.
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One of the things I really like about Smart SDR is that it is all about the content. All of the clutter of buttons and other stuff is gone. I like having most of the screen given over to the spectrum. PSDR was good but the layout of SmartSDR is much nicer. I guess I would like to be able to make the control boxes (mic, EQ, etc) disappear and then reappear by hovering the mouse over them. But skin effects is probably better suited for 2.0 and beyond. 

73,   Dan  KM6CQ
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I guess I would like to be able to make the control boxes (mic, EQ, etc) disappear and then reappear by hovering the mouse over them.

Me too.

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