Input wanted on new 6600M

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Before i trade my 6500 off toward a 6600 or 6600M......

I mostly operate via my ipad or iphone 7+. Only time i use the pc, is when i remote into it to do jt65 or other digi modes. So, with that said, what would be the reasons or advantages to upgrade from the 6500 to a 6600?

I have talked to a fellow ham about putting my rig at his station and sharing it as he would then be able to operate remotely as well. He has a quieter location and more realestate. So, my next question is more geared to v2.0. If we did put either my existing 6500 or a new 6600 at the location, say i was connected via my apple device thru the app. If he was at the location, could he also be connected at the same time, via the pc or the front control head(if it were a 6600M)? I know we cant both talk at same time. Just trying to understand all the options and make an educated decision.
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What you are asking for is MULTI client


On the TO DO LIST but not implemented yet


Flex will not give you an ETA
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Thanks!!
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From what I can gather from your operation, not much to be gained upgrading. Unless the contest band filters and second SCU are something you think you’d use, you will be pretty happy with the 6500. The 2nd SCU will come in handy for the way I operate at home, including keeping an eye on 6m when running elsewhere, doing satellite work, etc.

Like you, a lot of my operating is remote, and for that purpose, I think it would be hard for me to wrangle two slices, no less anything more. If ease of general remote operating was my main criterion, I’d stick with my trusty 6500 running version 2.x.

I —think— you will be able to listen to one SCU while your buddy is on the other (with the 6600) in the future. Don’t think it will be part of the 2.0 release, though.

Hope that helps!
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Thanks! Yeah i think the filters would be nice, but think im better off keeping what i have.
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From what I've seen so far the only advantages of moving from a 6500 to a 6600 seem to be:

* two transverter inputs
* 7th order filters on the HF Contest Bands (3rd order on the other bands)
* a HDMI port
* Antenna Diversity function 

And the 6600M adds the non-removable Maestro display. 
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Clarification - HDMI port is only on the -M versions.
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Good to know
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Not only two transverter ports, but also two SCU's which would allow full duplex on two different antennas- SO2R capable, depending upon antenna isolation, or ability to monitor two widely divergent bands on different antennas, I.e. 160 and 6 meters at the same time......
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Since the 6600/M will only display 2 slices/panadapters, can a computer be connect to the radio to see all 4 slices/panadapters, or will Multi Client be required?

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I actually prefer, not being lied to. Time travel might be required before predictions of the future can be regarded as factual.


A roadmap for products and features, "TBD" is never going to work, might as well ask the nearest psychic.

They might expect payment though.

Roadmap == VaporMap

Successful Installation of new features when available for download after thorough alpha testing, is IMHO a better approach.

I don't mind waiting for reality to happen.

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For the ones who still wish for a road map, I can only assume you were not part of the community at the time of the road maps in the past, or I am sure you would understand better why it stopped. For most of us that lived through it, we never want the same kind of things go on that did, again. Ever.

Please remember there are people waiting in the weeds for any reason to attack Flex, over anything, and sometimes I notice they pop up still.

About the the $200  people do not need to buy any feature updates without first carefully reading the notes on it when it is published. Then buy it if you want it. So you see, you don't buy and wait and see whats in it. No mystery.
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Bill and Howard, I was there when the decision was made to remove the Road Map. I remember the threads and they weren't any different that any of the current threads like the lock-up one, the ones after the 6400/6600 announcement, the ones after the delay with the Maestro, the 7300 threads, the Sherwood one, or any other when major things happen.

I believe removing the Road Map was a business decision on the part of FRS and I would be very surprised if any "toxic" (as you put it Howard) voices had the power to define how FRS does business. Heck, I would be disappointed if that was the case.

As you can tell by my post, back then, and still today, I am disappointed that we do not have the road map. I miss that compass. I am no Elmer or alpha and I have no other insight into these radios than what gets published here on the forum, from my vantage point I am a bit blind.

FRS has taken constructive criticism and built upon it with new hardware features. Like adding a mic with the new radios or including a balanced input in the 6600. This is great.

So, forget the Road Map!! It is clear from past performance that it is impossible to define a specific date for a specific feature. That boat sailed long time ago. Understood. What about a Feature List?

Let me present my case for a feature list in as constructive a manner as possible.

It would be great to have a clearer picture upfront of the purchase of 2.0. 
We are probably looking at aprox. 10 releases (2.0 to 2.9) with as few revisions for bugs (hopefully) as possible.

There could be a Programmed Features for 2.x List (A list of features that will be in 2.x for sure)
  • SmartLink
  • Pre Distortion
  • Multi-client
  • xxx

Wow Factor / Surprise / Theme releases List (some of the ideas but not certain)
  • Dockable Windows
  • GUI Enhacements (personalizations, templates) 
  • DX Chaser release (cluster integration, logging)
  • Noise Mitigation release (use of phased diversion, new NR and NB algorithms)
  • Wave Form release (FreeDV, DStar enhancements)
  • Digital modes (RTTY, BPSK decoding on screen)

Add a disclaimer on anything that is not in the programmed Feature List. State clearly that it is not a certainty that some of these things (outside the programmed list of features) will make it into 2.x; the same way that new things that are not published will make it (Surprises). State clearly that there are no specific dates but 2.x will be the software for the radios for the next 2 to 3 calendar years.

If you ask me if I prefer a Final Ver. 2 with all the features in 2 years time or 2.x today with incremental features throughout the next 2 years, I definitely prefer the latter. So I am just asking to get a list with caveats to understand what to expect of 2.0.
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@Sal

In a way that is Avery good suggestion

BUT.

FLEX would need to ADD IN BOLD LETTERS

THE LIST IS ONLY A PROPOSAL AND THEREUS ABSOLUTELY NO GUARANTEE THAT ANY OF THESE PROPOSED ENHANCEMENTS WILL ACTUALLY EVER BE INCLUDED IN SSDR OR WHEN THEY MIGHT BE IMPLIMENTED

The issue is that intelligent people such as yourself will understand the tentative nature of the list but unfortunately many less sophisticated users may still interpret the List as a Promissed Feature.

OTOH It does not mitigate the competitive disclosures issue of informing competitors of future plans.

For Example...The ICOM 7610 was supposed to be the big news at Dayton. But Flex overshadowed Icom big time by announcing the M6400, M6600 series. If Flex had announced their intentions earlier Icom could have modified the 7610 to be competitive. Instead Icom is now looking at massive price cuts to be competitive with the M6400
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Hdmi would be nice, but my pc has that, so no real gain. All i could really see was the filtering. But, not a huge change. I guess ill stick with my 6500. Was just trying to see. I got an offer from then on the trade amount. Was very reasonable. But i wanted to see if i should do it, or just spend the $200 and get 2.0 on my 6500 when it comes out.
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With the HDMI on the 6400/M and 6600/M, no computer is needed. That is huge for those not wanting to lug a computer along or have a computer in the shack. That is one of the real gains of the front panel.
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Only thing i use pc for is digi modes snd softether. V2 will replace softether, but still need pc to run digi modes remotely. Again, i am never at the radio itself.
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Great question about the advantages. IMHO, any Flex Signature rig is better than most other HF radios out there and all the angst about selling an old model line to get one from the new model line seems like trying to get the last drop of performance possible i.e. "blood from a rock". I can see moving from a 6300 to anything higher (old or new models) for the improved dynamic range, but other than that, these are all great radios. Maybe I'm wrong, it happens.
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The 6600M gives you the ability to perform like an IC-7610, that is, no PC required, with knobs and buttons on its front panel! OTOH, you still have full remote control. Everything to gain, and nothing to lose.

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Larry
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Watch it snow in Miami this week LOL
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Once you see how cool that new 6600M is, you won't want to be without it! That front panel is smokin', bro!
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I bet it snows in Miami IA :-D
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As i stated above, i work remotely. I never go to the transmitter location. So the pretty screen is worthless to me. I only use the pc hooked to the rig for digital modes. Then at that, im remoting into it from my ipad. So im compairing the 6600 to my 6500. The only way id consider an M model is if it would allow multiple users on it at once, which was stated above, as not possible at this time. If it would, id move it to a buddies QTH, and he could use the PC or the screen. But as for me i only use IOS. So it looks like il be keeping my 6500.

Thanks for the info guys
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Then get a 6600. I didn't buy a maestro either.
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Once you see that beautiful hi res screen on the 6600M, you'll change your mind! Don't forget when multi client comes along, you can operate at the station, while someone else is having remote fun. I bet you will decide to take that puppy home, once you see that screen, up close and personal :-)
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When i bought my 6500 they said 2.0 would be out by end of march. So i sold my remoterigs and TS-480HX. Been very happy with rig. Ive managed to get by using softether as i only work remotely. Im not gonna buy a 6600M because "someday" there will be multi-op. Probably be a 7000 series by then. So, i think ill stick with what i have, till then. Thats the only reason i would do the 6600M. Cant see buying one on a pipedream, then seeing new models come along before it, much like 2.0 and my 6500. Just sayin. To each their own.
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Here's my opinion. Hope I don't ruffle too many feathers.

The all in one "box" radio concept, aka the M model is great for traditionalists. I mean, many people criticized Flex because "them dang radios ain't real radios if you have to use a 'puter!" Now they have their radio. 

However my personal preference is a standalone "server" radio and a separate Maestro. For the same money I can take my Maestro radio console anywhere and I'm not tied to this big box on my desk. I can even centrally place the radios in a rack for a multi-op. 

With SmartLink I can take it anywhere with me, across the world basically. 

So that is my preference. Not to say the M models won't have its fans but I like the idea of a separate client and flexibility the maestro offers. 

Ria
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I agree, the best feature of 6xxx series is they operate as a server and all that comes along with the ability of DAX/CAT interfaces for data manipulation and control. This combo allows for a wide rage of what i call 'ham radio assistants"...software such as cwskimmer, DDutil to name a few and the ability for wide range of digital modes.

In my shack, I run two mac mini computers with four monitors thru a KVM switch. one monitor with world map with grey line and cluster spots on it, another monitor with mldx logger with it cluster/ spot feature. still another monitor with the panadapter either using ssdr or dogparksdr and other monitor showing digital modes all connected to flex 6300. these are all ham radio assistants....my standard setup....

maximum information and situation awareness..

However, User Interfaces are extremely personal in nature. The M series  does add the all-in-one feature plus it keeps everything else i currently have with a headless server.

My preference is for maximum flexibility. The more... the merrier.

What knobs do is add real tactile feel while tuning, and the utilization of muscle memory for quick tweek of volume to name a few advantages. Knobs engage the tactile sensor feedback, spatial awareness for quick response and your eyes and ears stay engaged on the target (oops ..signal of interest).

i have 6300 and will be upgrading to 6600M. I really like my 6300 but miss diversity reception and at times the quicker human in the loop response achieved with knobs and buttons. The two SCU's for using two transvertors for satellites and few other feature toos

i enjoy using my ipad and iphone to make cw contacts while sitting on the deck and enjoying a day outside. Sometime even quick check of the band using my laptop ( macbookpro). These remote modes of operating help me achieve 8 band dxcc...by being 'there' when the band opens.

a lot to be said for remote operations and a lot to be said for sitting face to face with the radio...

i enjoy it all...

once again...the more...the merrier
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At this time I am inclined to close this post because the question asked, has been answered.

In regards to a few issues that came up in this thread that was off topic, we have heard your desire for a feature roadmap.  As it currently stands, one is not forthcoming.  Yes, it was a business decision.  I encourage everyone that is contemplating upgrading to SmartSDR v2.0 to evaluate the delivered feature sets and decide how they will enhance your operating style and desires as the primary reason for making a purchasing decision.

For those who have expressed their disappointment and at times accused us of breaking "promises" at SmartSDR v2.0, not shipping when a targeted delivery date was not met or a proposed feature was pulled in favor for something else, this is why there isn't a roadmap or a feature list published. In business, there are factors and dynamics that happen daily that influence the business decisions we have to make.  Sometimes opportunities arise that were unforeseen and to take advantage of them, other deliverables have to slip.  It is just a fact that happens.  We have decided not to use these tools so that customer expectations can be better managed.

Thank you to everyone who has posted in response to WV9L's questions.  Best regards.

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