HOW-TO: Setup FLEX-6X00 with N1MM / CW Skimmer for multiple slice contest operating

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Although I am not a contest operator but an excited CW enthusiast, I just wanted to try how to get most out of my two slices and tried to setup my machine to reach the following goals:
  • Complete integration and exchange of Smart SDR, N1MM (connected to my NanoKeyer) and CW Skimmer
  • Use both slices as VFO A and VFO B in N1MM SO2V-mode
  • Spot my received stations via telnet onto the N1MM band maps for each VFO/slice
  • Handshake between N1MM, CW Skimmer and SmartSDR
First of all, you should secure to have the latest versions of the above mentioned software. If anything else will be needed, I will highlight it in the following text.

The following threads helped essentially to setup my station in terms of software:
  1. Using N1MM Logger With SmartSDR/SmartCAT, FlexControl, and K1EL WinKeyer > General setup of N1MM for contest use.
  2. CW Skimmer on 3 bands... > This one led my to the complete integration.
N1MM standalone works just fine, and that is where 1. brings you. What - for me- was missing, was the enhancement of N1MM with CW Skimmer.

Due to the integration of all those nice little tools, I am now able to receive CW on two different slices/bands and to spot the signals received on both bands simultaneously via CW Skimmers telnet outputs to the N1MM bandmaps for each VFO/slice. It is great to have spots on your bandmap, that your machine has heard. So you dont have to be limited to the sometimes "unworkable" spots from an online-cluster.

You can guess, what comes next: While working one contact on e.g. 40m on VFO/slice A, it is very easy to prepare the next contact on another frequency/band on VFO/slice B. In combination with a WinKeyer (in my case the NanoKeyer) that is driven by N1MM, my Flex-6300 becomes a serious contest-machine. 

Assuming that you got N1MM running as described in 1., load SDR-Bridge. After installation, run the program and assign slice A to IQ1 and A, slice B to IQ2 and B and so on.

The program assigns VFO/slice A Telnet port #7310, VFO/slice B Telnet port #7320 and so on. At this point, only on one bandmap, the spots are shown. 

Now the challenge was to integrate multiple Telnet ports, what - in my opinion- is not possible with N1MM alone. So: If you now run wintelnetX and load Ed - W2RF's ini-file, you just have to click once on connect, and the dream-machine will run!

That's it!

If anyone has questions, or needs help setting up something like this, do not hesitate to contact me.

VY 73
Tom
DK1EY

Many thanks to:
Ed - W2RF for solving my "single-bandmap-issue".
Jim - WD5IYT for the great HOW-TO regarding N1MM.

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Steve Gw0gei

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Well cool! Exactly why the 6300 is looking attractive to me to switch over to for my contesting and dxing needs. Thanks for the info. Steve gw0gei
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Good Job, That was my next project. Getting N1MM synced up.
Thanks for the road map.
you may be hearing from me :)
I use a WinKeyer USB, but shouldn't matter.
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DK1EY

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It should be no problem, as the NanoKeyer is based on the K1EL-keyer.
Do not hesitate to contact me.
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Stan - VA7NF

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In one week you won't need the WinKeyer for N1MM.  Direct support in V1.3
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DK1EY

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Hopefully you are right! I am looking forward to the SSDR enhancements with 1.3 and especially CWX.

But: Keying was not the main issue, I solved like described above.

73
Tom
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Stan?? Are you talking about CWX? Not sure how that will connect to N1MM.
Or are you saying N1MM is direct to SmartSDR keying?
I haven't seen that in the N1MM messages.
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Bill,

at the moment, the N1MM keys the NanoKeyer (K1EL-protocol) and the NanoKeyer keys SSDR.

If N1MM could key SSDR via CWX or another native software integrated option, an additional keyer could become dispensable.

the longer I think about Stans comment, the more ideas how to setup a lean software with native SmartSDR options evolve.

I am looking forward to the coming improvements of SSDR.

VY 73
Tom
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I just tried it with N1MM+. It works also perfect. N1MM+ is still not able to manage multiple telnet ports at the same time. But with wintelentX it is no problem, as described above.
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I used WintelnetX also. Finally learned from Lee Sawkins that any of his nodes are connected to all the other nodes. Any node in the world. A spot on one is a spot on all. Maybe a 1000th of a second delay, but heck, I can't read that fast anyway. :-)
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What is the URL for downloading N1MM+? At the usual site I get "not authorized"

73 Ed W2RF
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Ed - W2RF

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That worked. Thanks!
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OK, Am I the only guy who understands about 10% of this thread? I am embarrassed to say, I think I need some profound education on CW.- and how is works with SSDR. (BTW, I'm not a CW guy, but I would like to be)

RE:
  • Complete integration and exchange of Smart SDR, N1MM (connected to my NanoKeyer) and CW Skimmer
  • Use both slices as VFO A and VFO B in N1MM SO2V-mode
  • Spot my received stations via telnet onto the N1MM band maps for each VFO/slice
  • Handshake between N1MM, CW Skimmer and SmartSDR
A few questions;
What is N1MM, NanoKeyer, SO2V Mode, Spotting received stations via telnet, and CW Skimmer. I am not familiar with the aforementioned...

I guess I will just take one at a time and Google it...

Alan
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If Skimmer is not  synchronized with SmartSDR, the frequencies of the spots sent to N1MM will be incorrect!

It is correct that the telnet tab is not stored because it is not implemented. I am not sure about the skimmer server tab. I don't think you are using it anyway, are you?

After reopening SDR-Bridge, allow a little time for the program to get organized. Then you need to move the SmartSDR  panadapters with the hand cursor. Just shake them a bit to restore synchronization.

If SDR-Bridge is working properly, frequencies are synchronized. If not, please post a screen shot showing the SDR-Bridge panel, The Skimmer windows, And SmartSDR so I can analyze the situation.

Thanks,

73 Ed W2RF
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Ed,

please take a look at the attached screenshot. Everything but the IQ output in the DAX control panel looks fine, right?

Do you have an idea, why it has an offset in the output frequencies?

VY 73
Tom
DK1EY

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The DAX IQ panel display is of the center frequency of the Panadapters. This is correct.

You can save CPU bu turning off the two audio DAX channels. They aren't needed.

Glad everything is working properly. Enjoy!

73 Ed W2RF
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Hi Ed!

How to you connect audio into the skimmer? DAX RX1 does not work for me. My PC is well oversized for the flex, so cpu usage does not count ;).

But I recognize, that the connection between the Flex and skimmer via SDR-Bridge works just in one direction: Click onto the skimmer, frequency change on SSDR. Moving SSDRs slice does not affeact anything in SDR-Bridge. Any ideas?

73 Tom DK1EY
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Skimmer uses I/Q audio....Activate that via the DAX pull down on the left side of the Panadapter. Use DAX I/O 1 or 2, but be sure that the channel definitions match...
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Tom,

Thanks for the reply! I have a long way to go to comprehend/implement this process.

Alan
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It is a pleasure to share knowledge, that I am happy with. If you have questions, just contact me.

VY73
Tom
DK1EY
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O am getting the following error when trying to set up.
Cannot negotiate input format with 05 DAX IQ RX1: error 1169
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KK9W - Steve

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i get the message when I hit the radio button in skimmer to turn it on
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Sergey, R5AU

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in preparation for the next weekend

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DK1EY

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Steven, have you assigned it that way? Slice to be Skimmed hast to have the same settings in CW Skimmer and in SmartSDR
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This is all good stuff..!
I've got Skimmer working with the 2 slices on my 6300.. only thing I cant figure is getting the correct frequency readout on Skimmer #2 via SDR Bridge. Do I need an extra virtual COM port? Otherwise, Skimmer #2 shows the same frequency as #1, even though the SDR Slice is on another band... otherwise, everything is decoding fine via the second SDR IQ channel... next for N1MM!
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Terry,

did you try SDR-Bridge?

VY73
Tom
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Hi,
I'm really interested to make a contetst CW with N1MM and cw skimmer but this help Using N1MM Logger With SmartSDR/SmartCAT, FlexControl, and K1EL WinKeyer is "line null"
Tnx
vy73
Albert ON5AM
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I have N1MM Logger+ (v1.0.5916.0) set up a Flex-6500 (v1.9.7.85). I never really had N1MM working but followed along with a video by Al and made more progress than I have in the past.

The problem I'm currently running into is, when using the internal Winkey via SmartSDR CAT sending CW seems to overlap messages. For example, if I hit F1 (CQ) and F2 (Exch) right after each other I get:

cq test k4vd k4v5nn

This happens for all the combinations I tried. Bug or something I set up wrong? The video had me set up a port for PTT but whether I use that or not (and I don't think it is necessary) the CW results are the same.

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cq test k4vd k4v5nn

That's not correct Stan. It should be:

cq test k4vd k4vd 5nn

Notice the second k4vd and 5nn ran together?

Here are some other examples I came up with which characterizes the problem a little better...

F4 F4 yields K4VK4VD
F4 F4 F4 yields K4VK4VD K4VD

F8 F9 yields ANGRR?
F8 F9 F9 yields AGNRR? NR?

Kevin


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Sorry Kevin the subject of this thread caused me to overlook this and I didnt see it.. As posted on the N1MM list this have been corrected and is in Alpha testing.
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Sorry about the confusion Chris. I actually created another thread which probably compounded the chaos. I understand the issue is being worked. Thanks!

Kev
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Does this work with the latest 1.9.7 release of PSDR or should I stay with 1.8.4 
on the Flex6700
73 Mike
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Since this bug apparently was not there in 1.8.4 you can use that if call stacking was important, but the 1.9.7 release has a plethora of other fixes that may outweigh.. so your call.  fwiw PSDR is power sdr for pre-6000 flex platfroms. the 6000 series uses SmartSDR...  I am sure you know that and this was just a QLF in your post but just for product clarity for folks searching threads in the future.
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Semi on topic question here. I have the 6300, and I cannot for the life of me get N1MM to allow two slices on the same band at the same time.

I'm faking SO2R, using SO2R instead of SO2V in the menu options, but it will not allow me to put both slices on the same band. Ideally, I'd like to be able to run one frequency, and S&P mults on the other in between CQ's. 
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Rob you will need to open up 2 panafalls.  slice a in panafall 1 and slice b in panafall 2.  put them both on the same band.  You will need to do this from SSDR as N1MM will not allow a change to the same band from within N1MM.  then open N1MM and you should be good to go.
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Chris, I've tried this to no avail last week. Even with two panafalls, with once slice in each panafall, N1MM will not let me stay on the same band or use F1/voice keying functions on the S&P slice when the CQ is same band.