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Has anyone out there configured EasyPal for use with SmartSDR, If so would you mind sharing your configuration?

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Using DAX 1 or 2 usually but frequently I just can't find any combination that puts a TX and RX DAX with the same number!

It just occurred to me that perhaps I should just open anther slice on the same frequency and pick another DAX to get a working xmt and rcv. Will try this soon.

I use com5 for CAT and com6 for PTT .

Some day I will learn how to re-install com5 and com6 when they quit working without going to 7 and 8!

Dos this help?
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I'm running Windows 7, and use Dax audio RX 1 for RX and Dax Audio Tx 1 for tx
I use Cat PTT for ptt and pick Kenwood as the rig. Keying "Tune" seems to work fine, but I've never sent any pics (just rcv)

-Mike
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I have it set up with no problems.

Here are two of my setup screens...



I hope this helps...

Ken - NM9P
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Ken, I have installed the newest EasyPal version from 2014-10 on my Win7/64bit system and I get this error when starting the program


Do you know how to correct this?

Thanks and 73,

Alex DH2ID
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For what its worth I get the same exact error. If you go back to previous version it does not do it.
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Thanks, Rich. You're absolutely right. Must be some bug in the october version ;-)
73, Alex DH2ID
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I also can't find any combination that puts a TX and RX DAX with the same number! But will Try your configuration Ken. I will let you all know how I make out. Thanks for the help folks...

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Still not Joy. I could not find a matching pair so I created another slice. Receive on DAX_2 on slice 1 and DAX_3 for Slice _2. This should work. I opened the recording devices in windows and can see the levels change on DAX Audio DAX_3 when transmitting, which tells me EasyPal is producing audio when I transmit. Audio input selection on Smart SDR is set to DAX with the slider set mid-range, No +ACC.

I can receive images and I can use either PTT/CAT or Com Port PTT rts/dtr and the transmitter transmits. I guess for some reason (most likely my fault in a configuration setting) Smart SDR is not seeing my routed EasyPal audio.

Ken, in your configuration you are seeing DAX ports that are RX and TX of the same value. I do not seem to see this either as well as Jim, hence the reason for creating the second slice and setting it as the transmitting slice.
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The setup page lists all of my DAX Channels, but they are almost in random order. You really have to search to find the right one in the list.

In fact, I deactivated DAX channels 3-8 because on my 6500 I only have 2 slices at present. It cuts down the clutter. Some programs have a limit of how many audio channels can be used. You might try deactivating your unused DAX channels in the sound control utility in Windows and see if it makes it easier to find your DAX channels.

It shouldn't be necessary to work split with this.

Make sure you are using the DAX Audio RX 2 for the input channel from the Receiver and Use DAX Audio TX 2 for the output channel to the TX.
(Do NOT use the RESERVED audio or the IQ audio channels... those are for other special functions)

This is a little different from PowerSDR, where you used line 1 for in and Line 2 for out. You need to use RX 2 for in and TX 2 for out (Or use channel 1 if you want. But for some reason, I have fewer problems if I use Channel 2)

Then on the DAX Control panel, you have to make sure that DAX Chanel 2 has both the RX and TX buttons clicked on. And on your receiver slice flag, be sure to select DAX 2. Then on your Transmit panel, select DAX for the mike input. There is a lot of preliminary set up clicks required.

Then don't forget that you need to go into Easy PAL and select the input sample rate of 48,000.
And in your windows sound setup page you must modify the properties of each Recording and Playback DAX channel to set the sampling rate of 2 Channel, 16 bit, 48000 Hz (DVD Quality) This is found in the sound properties/Advanced tab.
This will make sure that Windows doesn't need to do a lot of conversion calculations between different sampling rates. This reduces possible spurs generated by calculations artifacts.

Hope this helps.
Good luck.

BTW...If you don't have the latest version of EasyPAL, be sure to download it before you start any elaborate setup modifications of you may have to do it all over again.
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Thanks Ken..... I will check my configuration again and see what I can do. Yes I do have the latest version of EasyPal.... No issues in using EasyPal with my 5000 and VAC..... I also have a 6500 and will be sure to let you know how I make out.

73

Charlie....WA3UTC
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As Ken suggested, disabling unused DAX channels will reduce the clutter and allow you to choose a matching DAX pair.

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Thanks Robert.... This has be done.... I still can not seem to get EasyPal to show me the DAX ports in the required sequence RX2 - TX2 etc.: I might just uninstall Smart SDR and re-install. Simple enough and easy to do..... More as I move forward, hehehe
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They may not be in any particular order. Every time you make a change to any of them with the Windows sound control panel, (i.e. change Sampling rate, etc.), Windows seems to reorder the list. You have to look in the list to find the correct audio device, DAX channel, etc. It is frustrating, but you should only have to do it once! Just keep looking in the list for the proper DAX lines. Unless it didn't install correctly. Then an uninstall/reinstall might help. But then, first thing you should deactivate the unused lines and change sampling rate properties on the ones you will be using.

Don't give up. It is worth it when you finally get it going!
BTW, don't forget to hit the "Assign button after selecting the audio lines.
And some programs may not work if you do not have both the RX and TX lines set to the proper sampling rate, and that rate must match the rate selected in the EasyPAL program, too.
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Thanks Ken and Team. un-installing Smart SDR, Cat and DAX and re-installing and following through with configuration of each application, I was able to see the ports without issue. Got the little guy up and running now..... It only took about 1/2 hour total. Not real sure why DAX and things went belly up, but we are good to go now. To all of you that provided guidance.... Thanks so much for the help.
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I realize I am digging up an old thread but instead of starting another I thought  I would ask the question here.

I installed EasyPal (1 version older than current as I was getting dll conflict issues). Anyway, old version runs OK as far as I can tell. Well it receives fine but when it goes to TX it keys the Flex (6500) but does not seem to have any audio.

Here are my settings. I do not have a TX1 listed for some reason.

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Actual EasyPal support is non-existent. The dev has no direct contact with users and the support group is as much use as a chocolate fireguard as it is as dead as the proverbial parrot. It crashes on my main PC, the one I am going to move my rig to when life gives me enough time to sort out the RFI.

Follow the advice a few posts up about disabling DAX ports you wull never need. I have a Flex 6300, 2 slices, so DAX 3-8 disabled.

See https://community.flexradio.com/flexradio/topics/easypal-catch-22 as it mentions stuff about the 6500 too, basically you should disable DAX 5-8.
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I am hoping I can make it work. Its actually pretty cool.  Regarding support just in case you are not aware the developer is fighting cancer and is unavailable because of that. I found a message posted part way down on his page that he would not being answering emails because of health issues but heard the rest of story elsewhere.

One question someone might answer for me. Is the Audio streams related to the number of slices?   As an example on the 6300 can you delete 3 and up and 6500 delete 5 and up or is there an actual use for the streams.
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Rich
You might need 8 DAX channels if you have 8 slices open with 8 Digital apps running.

You shouldn't need more than that. If you do, you might consider running 2 6500s, that may require another antenna and an extra hand or 2. Personally I prefer to not use Slices F and G unless it's an emergency, so I get by ok with just 2 hands, eyes, and ears. I've considered installing an extra brain, but can't find one that matches. ;0)
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Well I was able to get it to transmit. But the real problem (I think) lies in the fact I do not have a channel that has both TX and RX on it except channel 6.

My channels 5 and above do not seem to work anyway. Or I dont know what I am doing which is likely. I can switch it between 1 and 4 and I can see the audio level on the DAX control panel change. If I change to 5,6,7 or 8 the audio appears to stay on the last (1-4) channel I was on. I have not found anything that will send audio to channels 5-9 on my 4 slice flex.
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Did you reinstall SmartSDR and DAX after you upgraded the number of possible slices when you got the 6500?
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Yes I did.
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The 6500 only supports 4 DAX Channels..
The 6300 only supports 2 DAX Channels

You need a 6700 if you wish to use 8 DAX Channels
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Guy that's pretty much what I am seeing.  Unfortunately, EasyPal inst seeing all the good ones I need.

Cant get it to play with just these.

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I did read somewhere that this program has problems where there are many sound inputs/outputs.

Just as an experiment, pare them down as much as you can. Disable all except DAX 1 + 2 and see what happens. IIRC I disabled all the 'IQ' and 'reserved' I did not need either.

OT:- I have come back to amateur radio after a break of 25 years, and it is disappoining to see only on abandonware program for analogue SSTV and this one for digital.

Good luck
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You need to disable BOTH the TX and RX and their counterpart RESERVED ports... That means a total of 16 DAX ports removed from a 6500 in order to have only 4 ports remaining. It takes a while to get all the setup finished, but it is worth it!
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I actually disabled 16 DAX ports.  5-8 times three.  RX, TX and both reserved. Did not help easypal.

HOWEVER, as a test I disabled all but the first two as Guy mentioned above and then EasyPal could see RX and TX on stream 2.

Easy Pal worked.  I went back and enabled 3 and 4 and as soon as I started EasyPal I got a message saying that my DAX RX 2 was disabled !

Software bug for sure.
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I bought this to the attention of the dev and support group some time ago, definitely before the October version was released.
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Places to check. Also you need the October version latest version. The new easypal and the old are not compatible in Hybrid mode.


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I've been unsuccessful for days with getting EasyPal to work with Smart SDR's latest version.  I had no trouble with my old Flex 3000 using the virtual audio port program and the N8VB com driver program.  I just can't figure this out.  Can someone explain in layman's terms the exact setup procedure?  I van see that there is streaming audio in the DAX control panel, but cannot see anything in the EasyPal water fall and I also cannot transmit.  I am totally lost.
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Well, for an unknown reason EasyPal stopped working.  I also have the same problem listed above where I seem to be missing the RX1 and TX1 channels.  They are not even listed when I attempt to assign them in EasyPal.  Oddly, MMSSTV and FLDIGI list them and both those programs operate perfectly.  I've uninstalled SmartSDR and EasyPal several times, but still have not had any success.  This all happened after I upgraded to SmartSDR version 1.43.11 yesterday.  As mentioned earlier, the other two digital software programs work fine.  I'm totally lost...again.
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As you can see from the above entries, EasyPal does not properly enumerate audio channels.  In my case, I had to disable all the Dax audio ports in the Windows sound mixer except Dax Audio TX1 and Dax Audio RX1.  EasyPal was then able to properly display the correct ports in the soundcard configuration screen. You can then choose these TX and RX ports for EasyPal/

This, of course, eliminiates most of your Dax audio channels for other uses, but it does allow you to use easypal.

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Thank you for the advice.  I still cannot figure things out.  I can see the stream on the DAX control panel with no errors, although it is defaulting to Reserved audio RX1.  I have tried all the above mentions of disabling all but RX1 and TX1.  I must be missing something.  It's rather frustrating as I had absolutely no trouble with PowerSDR, VAC, N8VB com, and the Flex 3000.  Thanks again.....
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As you disable the extra DAX lines, make sure that you do NOT disable the RX1 RESERVED and TX1 RESERVED.  The RESERVED lines are the radio end of the audio pipeline.  It takes all four "ends" to make a whole connection.

Some folks have accidentally disabled them and then they have a hose that goes nowhere...

Ken - NM9P
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Thanks Ken.....still unable to get things working. I can key the Flex from EasyPal, although no Rf output is present.  I can see the audio stream connected in the DAX control panel and it appears all is correct.  Using the Kenwood Cat commands that you posted previously.  The CAT control panel, under the main tab, says to connect third part software to COM 4, which I did.  Under the   serial ports tab there is a COM 1 and COM 99 on the left side.  I believe COM 99 is there for my Flex Control Knob as I remember reading to set it up like that.  There are no virtual ports listed on the right side.  Should there be?  I know I'm missing something somewhere.  Thanks for the help.....

Jay, N3WWL
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Check these four things....
1) On the TX panel, is the DAX button engaged?
2) On the slice flag, do you have the proper DAX channel selected?
3) On the DAX control panel, do you have the RX and TX buttons engaged for the proper slice?
4) on the DAX control panel, do you have the slider turned up so that it is showing audio on the transmit side when transmitting?

I am not in front of the rig, or I would put up some screen shots.

Hope this helps....

Ken - NM9P
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I finally figured it out!  Thank you!  Now, since I set the proper TX and RX parameters for EasyPal, etc., my computer sound card is no longer the default sound device.  Not sure how to resolve that, but at least the program works now :)
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Hmmm.  As Far as I Know...the default audio settings in the windows audio settings tool shouldn't matter to the selection of RX & TX DAX inputs for EasyPAL or other digital modes.  I suspect that you may have changed them in the process of trying to get things going.  

Try reassigning them to your regular speaker and mike on the computer settings and see if it changes anything in EasyPAL.  

Ken - NM9P
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The bad part about EasyPal is it will probably go away. Its my understanding that the guy that developed it is battling cancer so its really not going anywhere and has probably run its course.

I do like the program and wish someone else would do something similar.

If anyone knows otherwise, I would be interested to hear it.
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He is now an SK. Apparently, he did make provisions for further development, but nobody is certain.