Does anyone like those white lines in the waterfall when transmitting?

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Now we know that the white lines in the waterfall when transmitting are by design. However for me, it is enough to see that the waterfall is black when transmitting. I don't need those white lines; in fact I find them distracting.

I would like to see an option to remove them. Or at least make them a darker color.

Other opinions?

73 Ed W2RF
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Hi Ed!
I like them when running digital, hate them on CW. Ambivalent about them on phone.
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It's CW that I also have the most problem with. Creates so much clutter it interferes with  the RX waterfall. Useless :-)
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White line is clutter? Not really.
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C'mon Howard, that Ed said he'd prefer no display on transmission, similar to what you can do on the waterfall, by virtue of being his opinion/suggestion, it is fact, not subject to "no, you're wrong"
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Transmit is Incredibly useful. Allows me to visually monitor my signal. As effective if not more so than the MON function.
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I think you are referring to the ability to monitor the TX signal in the waterfall, not to turn it off and replace it with a white line.
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Ed, 
I don't find the lines to be a problem on CW but I wonder if it depends on how you setup for CW.

Are you using QSK?
Or if not,  do you use a short breakin delay?

In either case, there could be a lot of lines.  On the other hand with a long (for example 300+) breakin delay, its doesn't seem to be a problem.  A line between transmissions......  

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Ed, 
I get it now, for QSK it might be nice to have the option of BLACK lines or NO LInes on XMIT.

Regards, Al / NN4ZZ  
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And I've learned that the while lines are only a problem for QSK CW ops... like me!
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Steve N4LQ

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I just enabled the "Show TX in Waterfall" option. No while lines and it's beautiful!
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Yes, but the TX CW in the waterfall is not clean. It shows multiple sidebands, and is so bright that is it perhaps more distracting to me than the white lines!

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Can one operate CW without QSK? (joking comment) It really is well done in the 6000-series. Such a pleasure operating code.
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would be great  just have  an  completely   OFF  option  
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Bill W2PKY

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How about a user preference to eliminate the white line?
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In your Settings.....Under the Transmit tab, enable "Show TX in Waterfall.
That makes the white lines black.
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I think he wants an option like the TX in waterfall OFF, but with NO lines at all.
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Ed, you did, however, turn a perfectly valid idea into a question which is, likely, why there is so much push back. Personally, I like the idea, an option to turn it off. What you could do is end this debate, open another idea that says, "I'd like an option to not show the tramitted signal in the spectrum display".
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Think I was only responding to comments that indicate the feature is already implemented, which it isn't.
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No that won't answer it. "Not showing the transmitted signal" means showing all the stuff in between key downs. That's what you get when you choose "disable". Due to latency in the receiver it shows the "dirty spectrum" from the switching process. 
One could add a "Spectrum Mute" feature which would freeze the entire screen for X number of milli seconds
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I believe the blanking algorithm when  in DISABLE is not timing correctly. Note that correct timing is applied to slice audio. So the spurious "dirt" in the spectrum is probably a bug.
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This is funny

.....NO line = black flashing on.....Absence of a line = black. 
How can I state this to be understood?

Another colored line = some other color flashing on.
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On my suggestion that started this thread -- to have an option to turn off the white lines or at least change their color -- I just want to reiterate that the option is not currently available.

Some have suggested that when Show TX in Waterfall is ENABLED, this is what happens. But it isn't. In that case the white lines and frozen waterfall are replaced by a live scrolling waterfall that shows the TX waveform. Just as the feature name suggests.

73 Ed W2RF