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SmartSDR Subscription Service

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  • Trucker
    Trucker Member ✭✭✭✭

    Hopefully, their definition of a new feature isn't fixing an existing one that has been ignored for years even though many people have asked that the feature to be improved. I consider things like noise reduction to be basic to a radio, not an add-on feature requiring payment to get it to where it could/should have been, all along. Fixing it and finishing up the half baked Diversity Reception by including Phase Cancelation just like PowerSDR had, should also not require payment to get it where it should have been when Diversity Reception was added to SmartSDR. Fixing only partially working functions/features, should not require additional costs.

    I consider functions that I would be willing to pay for to be something new and unique to the radio and its associated software. Not, updates to existing features.

    James

    WD5GWY

  • John G3WGV
    John G3WGV Member ✭✭

    VE7ATJ_Don said

    I have to admit tho, that many of the 'features' that have recently been added have been of very little use to me, while many of the things we've been asking for for years have been languishing somewhere. Even stuff everyone has agreed are great ideas seem to disappear into the ether, while instead we get analog meters…..

    This is the key point for me. As a CW operator I have been asking for simple feature updates for years that never make it onto the schedule. Meanwhile new features appear that have no relevance to my interests. Although frustrating, this is just something I have to accept as I have no input to or control of the development pipeline. However, being asked to pay $200 a year (actually $240 here in the UK with VAT), when updates that are meaningful to me are generally many years, if ever, in the making seems like a poor deal.

    I was on the verge of buying an 8600 to replace my current 6600 but this development has paused that plan until I can see how this new subscription model pans out.

    73, John, G3WGV

  • Wayne VK4ACN
    Wayne VK4ACN Member ✭✭✭

    John

    From what i understand, it’s not $200 per year. Your not locked into a yearly subscription. From what I’ve gathered you can pay year 1, let it lapse for say 2 years. If you then pay $199 in year 4, you get all updates you missed in years 2 & 3. When you subscribe for year 4 you get any updates in that 12 month period. You could then let it lapse. You won’t lose any features and while it’s lapsed if they release a feature you especially want you can pay $199 to get that feature and you got 12 months if any features are released in that 12 months . From my readings of the subject. I just hope they start releasing more features more often. Oh, it works out about $304 here in VK.

    73 Wayne

  • John G3WGV
    John G3WGV Member ✭✭

    From what i understand, it’s not $200 per year. You're not locked into a yearly subscription.

    Yes, that's my understanding as well but that makes something of a mockery of an annual subscription model. I understood the old "pay for a major update" model well enough and it would seem to make more sense to me to just have major updates (paid for) more often than is currently the case. How long has V3 been out there?!

    $304… yikes! I feel for you guys in VK.

    73, John

  • Wayne VK4ACN
    Wayne VK4ACN Member ✭✭✭
    edited September 27

    John

    I think Ham Radio Deluxe have a similar system as Flex are introducing

  • Dan Trainor
    Dan Trainor Member ✭✭✭

    It is NOT a subscription model. It is really a "Pay for a Feature" model. A feature that may be introduced in the future. So, wait for a "feature" that is so compelling that you can't seemingly live without, then consider making a payment for it. Again, the new model is NOT a subscription model and it does not have the primary property of a subscription model. It is voluntary pay for a feature model. It has nothing to do with a subscription service as we know them to be. The word "subscription" should not be used as it just causes confusion. What also causes confusion is Flex has NOT defined what a "feature" is in this context. Think about that.

  • John G3WGV
    John G3WGV Member ✭✭

    I think that's a good way to look at it, Dan. Unfortunately, FlexRadio is calling it a subscription model and is using terms like annual subscription. That, I suspect is a major cause of the confusion/angst evident in this thread.

    Since my earlier post I've also thought some more about the 8600 and concluded that I need to separate out the hardware and software in my thinking. The decision to get the 8600 needs to be based purely on the cost/benefit analysis of what the hardware offers. The software delivery model doesn't need to figure in the equation because it'll be exactly the same for my 6600.

    Still learning!

    73, John, G3WGV

  • Asher - K0AU
    Asher - K0AU Member ✭✭✭

    I don't mind an annual subscription charge if it's a commitment to a roadmap and feature development. Just let us know what the roadmap contains and what platforms are supported for what time frame. If you had asked me last year whether I'm more excited by "More efficient platform for generating a signal" vs "AI integration on full-band I/Q" I know which one I'd have voted for. A roadmap would give us all some insight into what to expect.

    The part that's vague is Flex is supporting three different hardware platforms now. 6K, 8K and Aurora. It's not clear to most of us how much software and firmware are common between the three platforms and how many software resources are assigned to the older platforms. For me at least building a ham station is an integration exercise so I like to know where I stand on lifecycle.

  • NV0E
    NV0E Member ✭✭

    I believe FlexRadio is using the term subscription in a way that may be unfamiliar or confusing to many customers. Pricing model transitions are inherently tricky, often misunderstood and difficult to communicate clearly. With that in mind, I’d recommend Flex take a look at how Unraid.net presents their offering as a model of clarity.

    While Unraid sells software and not hardware, they faced a similar challenge about a year ago. Previously, they offered perpetual licenses with free updates for life. This approach meant their only source of new revenue was from new customers, a limitation that became increasingly problematic as they approached market saturation. It constrained their ability to hire developers and continue growing the product.

    To address this, Unraid introduced a tiered licensing model:

    • Starter – Supports up to 6 storage devices. Includes a perpetual license and one year of free OS updates. Users can pay a modest annual fee to continue receiving updates.
    • Unleashed – Supports unlimited devices. Also a perpetual license with one year of updates, and the same optional renewal fee.
    • Lifetime – Unlimited devices, perpetual license, and free updates for life.

    Their pricing page is exceptionally clear. The FAQ explicitly states:
    "Unraid OS is not a subscription. Once you purchase a license, you own it forever."

    It goes on to explain:
    "Starter and Unleashed licenses include one free year of software updates with purchase. After one year, customers can pay an optional extension fee (just $36 for the year), making them eligible for another year of updates."
    "If you choose not to extend your license, no problem. You still own the license and have full access to the OS—you simply will not be eligible for future updates unless or until you pay the extension fee."

    This language is deliberate and user-friendly. By framing the model around licenses and extensions, rather than subscriptions, Unraid avoids confusion and reassures customers that they retain ownership and access.

    FlexRadio’s approach is somewhat different, particularly in offering ongoing bug fixes for free and reserving the subscription for new features. Still, I’d strongly encourage Flex to consider Unraid’s example when communicating their pricing changes. The clarity and tone Unraid uses, especially their avoidance of the term subscription, makes a big difference in customer understanding and trust.

  • John G3WGV
    John G3WGV Member ✭✭

    I like the Unraid approach and commend it as a model for FlexRadio to consider. Certainly need to get away from the term "subscription". It sends all the wrong messages and it took me some time to understand what was really being proposed.

  • David_NK5G
    David_NK5G Member ✭✭

    First, I am a big fan of FlexRadio and have full intention to be a long time customer.

    I do think they should have rethought the banner "Exciting News". Yes, exciting for the company, not so much for the consumer.

    The subscription business model is not overly surprising as this is the way of many tech companies. The subscription model is a guaranteed revenue stream. Nothing wrong with that, but $199/year is an expensive gamble for the consumer and a bit of a gamble for the company. People will expect, especially at the price point, to receive regular new features, so they better be prepared to deliver. I can see the pushback from customers, even more so with those who just bought the 8000 series, as you can almost by a car for the price of the gear. Asking people to pay more on top of that is naturally going to be a hard sell. I think Flex would get more interest and support from customers if it was $99/year. They may actually lose revenue with $199/year as people may not be willing to pay that where they would have $99/year. Competitors will be watching this.

    I've seen the arguments of "It's cheaper than streaming subscription" and the like. While mathematically true, amateur radio is still a hobby and the consumer by and large may not see this as an apples to apples correlation.

    The higher tier is ridiculous. One is essentially paying to be a tester. No thank you. I'm not going to pay even more money for a half baked cake. Give it to me when toothpick comes out clean.

    As for me, I want to know more before I can warm up to it. Such as: Will they require auto renewal? Can I choose to not renew one year but renew at a later time, and get caught up on what has previously been released? Are you going to have features greyed out as a marketing ploy to get me to buy a subscription?

    73

  • Trucker
    Trucker Member ✭✭✭✭

    Personally, I have decided that I am going to take a wait and see attitude. When my AU-520M finally arrives, I will use whatever version of SmartSDR is installed in it. If it's version 4 Basic, and everything works well as is, I will not purchase a subscription until something comes along that I really need or want. And even then, I may decide the new feature isn't worth spending the extra money for. Plus, hoping that over the next year, I will receive more new features. Version 3.x of SmartSDR overall was very good with the 6600M I had and the 8600M that I had briefly. It didn't have the best noise reduction and it didn't have Phase Cancelation in Diversity Reception like PowerSDR does with my 5000A. If I need better Noise Reduction, I can always turn off the AU-520M and power up one of my Anan radios and use both of these features which work great. This is the only reasonable thing I can think of to do. Not to just blindly start subscribing with no definite knowledge of what I can expect from Flex Radio during the subscription period.

    James

    WD5GWY

  • NV0E
    NV0E Member ✭✭

    A comparable pricing strategy can be found in the video game industry’s use of "Season Passes." In this model, customers purchase the base game with core functionality, and then have the option to buy a season pass that grants access to future downloadable content (DLC) or expansion packs.

    According to Wikipedia: "A season pass is a form of video game monetization in which consumers purchase a discounted package for current and future downloadable content (DLC) and/or expansion packs for a video game atop its base cost. A game may have a single season pass or, for some lifestyle games, new season passes over time. The name originates from the concept of a season pass/ticket for sports (although more akin to acquiring the box set of a season from a TV series). First introduced around 2011, the use of season passes became commonplace among triple-A and mobile game publishers by the end of the 2010s. Season passes can be controversial because the contents of a season pass are not fully itemized beforehand or may not contain all planned DLC..."

    "Season passes may be available to purchase alongside the game prior to its release, or may be available after the game's release. Once purchased, the player gains all content that has been released to date under that season pass and eligible for future, unannounced content. Many season passes state the type of content that players will get even though the exact content may be unknown at the time."

    This model has faced significant pushback from gamers, and many of the concerns raised in the FlexRadio online forums mirror those outlined in the Wikipedia entry. The biggest challenge, and one FlexRadio should carefully consider, is clearly communicating the value customers will receive from such a pass.

  • Neil D Friedman N3DF
    Neil D Friedman N3DF Member ✭✭✭✭

    I will buy a subscription and I suspect the vast majority of Flex owners will also. There was a time when $199 was a lot of money. Not any longer. It will not cover dinner for four in a decent restaurant here in Dayton, Ohio. Incidentally, the average price paid for a new car in the U.S. is now $36,000.

  • Jim  KJ3P
    Jim KJ3P Member ✭✭✭

    Let's look at this from a different perspective:

    I actually see this new "subscription" as a plus for us Flex owners. Scenario: let's say lots of us sign up and each part with our 200 bucks. And then any new features are not impressive or not useful for most ops. What's going to happen? Very low renewal rate for the following year! So, this may be a good thing, a carrot on a stick for Flex: Come up with some good features regularly to prove that this is a good deal, or suffer big renewal losses.

  • Trucker
    Trucker Member ✭✭✭✭

    Exactly! It's an incentive for Flex Radio to devote resources ( developers) to SmartSDR to keep subscribers willing to renew often. ( yearly if new features seem worthwhile to subscribers) Otherwise, they might decide to take developers away from SmartSDR development and devote them to customers who do pay for their software services and hardware. ( their commercial and government customers) With extra money coming in they know that if they don't offer more for the Amateur radio side of their business, that they could loose sales to new and current customers. Not something I would think they would want to happen.

    Only time will tell how well this works out. And it would improve the chances of doing so, if Flex Radio is open about what subscribers can expect for their money.

    James

    WD5GWY

  • Ken AG2K
    Ken AG2K Member ✭✭
  • Ken AG2K
    Ken AG2K Member ✭✭

    How will the Maestro (C) be handled? Is it considered a radio and require a separate subscription?

  • ka9ees
    ka9ees Member ✭✭✭

    @Ken AG2K All the Maestros are just clients.

  • John Sprinkle
    John Sprinkle Member
    What is the date when the new upgrade path will take effect?
  • Trucker
    Trucker Member ✭✭✭✭

    It was stated in another post 4-8 weeks approximately. So, sometime in the next couple of months. Or, possibly later. I am hoping that shipping of the new Aurora radios will coincide with the release of version 4.

    James

    WD5GWY

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