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Wiring a Yamaha CM500 headset for a 6400(M) or 6600(M)

Dale - K4DGDale - K4DG Member
edited August 2018 in New Ideas

I recently upgraded from a Flex 6500 to a 6600. I use a Yamaha CM500 headset as I find it more comfortable to wear for long periods than my Heil Proset.

The 6500 uses an 8 pin Foster-type connector on its front panel for microphone and PTT connections.  I had wired up an adapter for the CM500, which uses a 1/8” TRS (tip-ring-sleeve) plug for passing the mic signals and the +3vdc the CM500 needs for biasing its electret mic element.

The new 6400(M)/6600(M) models use a 1/8” TRS jack on the rear for pseudo-balanced mic connections. The tip is Mic(+) and passes +3vdc when “bias” is activated in the SmartSDR settings (Phone/CW tab). The ring is Mic (-) and the sleeve is Ground.

I wired a new adapter consisting of a 1/8” TRS jack (to receive the mic plug from the CM500), three wires, some heat shrink tubing to cover the wires, a 10μF capacitor and a 1/8” TRS plug that goes into the 1/8” TRS mic jack on the 6400(M)/6600(M). Here’s how it is wired:


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The value of the capacitor is not critical. I used a small 10μF capacitor so I could fit it into the shell of the 1/8” TRS plug at one end of the adapter. The capacitor allows the Mic(+) signal to pass through from the CM500m while blocking the +3vdc bias that needs to be applied to the ring of the CM500 mic plug.

I know there are a number of Flexers who use the CM500 headset and who plan to upgrade to a 6400(M) or 6600(M). If you’re using one of these headsets I hope this brief “how-to” will help make the transition as quick and as painless as possible.

73,

Dale – K4DG

 

 

Comments

  • Duane_AC5AADuane_AC5AA Member ✭✭
    edited May 2018
    Hmm, I just plugged my new CM500 into the headphone and 1/8" standard Mic jack on the rear panel of my 6600. My Heil 781 is plugged to the 1/4" TRS jack.
  • Bill -VA3WTBBill -VA3WTB Member ✭✭✭
    edited March 2018
    Yes, I have a 6500 with the same CM500 headset, I just used a simple 1/8 to 1/4 inch adapter and plugged directly into the XLR connector. 
    why can't you just plug right into the 1/8 input on the back of your radio? Use the battery pre amp that comes with the head set. I change the batteries about every 6 months.
  • Dale - K4DGDale - K4DG Member
    edited March 2018

    Just to clarify my original posting…

    I am using a Yamaha CM500 headset that is about 3 years old. It uses an electret mic element that requires 3vdc bias. My headset uses the following connections to its 1/8” TRS plug:

         Tip       -->    MIC(+)

         Ring     -->   +3vdc bias

         Sleeve  -->   MIC(-) and Ground

    Some of you may have an earlier or later version of the CM500 that has a different wiring arrangement for its plug, or uses a dynamic mic element that doesn’t need a bias voltage. That might account for some of you being able to plug in the mic plug directly into the 1/8” MIC IN connector on a 6400(M)/6600(M) without needing an adapter.

    I can confirm that, for my CM500 headset, a direct connection to the 1/8” MIC IN connector on the rear of my Flex 6600 does not work. That is not surprising as the 6600 (and 6400 and M versions) have the following signals present on this connector (per the Flex hardware guide):

         Tip       -->   MIC(+) and +3vdc bias

         Ring     -->   MIC(-)

         Sleeve -->   Ground

    So for my setup, the MIC(+) and +3vdc signals present on the tip of the Flex 6600 MIC IN jack need to be separated and the +3vdc redirected to the ring of the CM500. Hence the need for the simple adapter circuit described in my earlier post.

    If your CM500 headset has a different arrangement for the signals it expects to see on its tip, ring and sleeve, then you’ll need to check to see how it is wired. If it uses a dynamic mic element you won’t need the +3vdc bias and this should be turned off in the SmartSDR radio settings in the “Phone/CW” tab.

    73,

    Dale – K4DG

     

       
  • Dale - K4DGDale - K4DG Member
    edited March 2018
    As a test, I tried using the Yamaha supplied adapter for the CM500 that supplies +3vdc to its electret mic. When I plugged it into the 1/8" MIC IN connector on my 6600 nothing happened -- the Flex wasn't responding to any mic input. And I did have fresh batteries in the adapter.

    With the adapter circuit I described earlier I can eliminate having to use the Yamaha adapter since the Flex 6600 already supplies the necessary dc bias for the CM500 electret mic element, it just needs to be directed to the correct part of the CM500 mic plug. My circuit also eliminates one more item that can fail at a critical moment, such as chasing rare DX or during a contest.

    73,

    Dale - K4DG
  • Bill -VA3WTBBill -VA3WTB Member ✭✭✭
    edited March 2018
    Looks like the mic wiring on your radio is much different then my 6500 witch surprises me. All I did was plug directly into the 6500 on the back in the XLR plug and selected balaned input for the mic input,,then turned on +20db mic gain boost,,all done. sounds like connecting to you radio is much more complicated.
  • Joel N9LQJoel N9LQ Member ✭✭
    edited March 2018
    Dale, thanks for sharing your solution with us.  I had the same situation where the CM500 would not work plugging into the 1/8" mic connector on the back.  If I used the bias adapter that came with the CM500 it generated some output, but at a very low level.  Your solution worked perfectly.  In the Flex setup. I choose Bias on, and I leave the +20dB boost off.
    73, Joel
    N9LQ

  • Chuck - KJ6HTChuck - KJ6HT Member ✭✭
    edited March 2018
    Thanks Dale, your solution also works for the Koss SB-45. I suspect it would also work for most communications headsets with a electret mic element that are primarily designed for PC use.

  • N8SDRN8SDR Member
    edited July 2018
    Thanks Dale, I could not figure out why the headset worked if i used it in a laptop remotely but if i tried it directly with the mic plugged into radio it did not work , with either the FLEX BIAS voltage turned on or the supplied power adapter- looks like i'll make up an adapter patch cable so i can use the headset with either the laptop or directly with the radio. 
  • Tim K9WXTim K9WX Member ✭✭
    edited August 2018
    My CM500 was purchased in June 2014 from Amazon and is wired differently than that belonging to Dale K4DG.  Specifically, my CM500 has both the bias voltage and mic+ on the tip, with mic- and GND on the sleeve.  So, I made this adapter cable, which works for me:


    If you have not been successful getting your CM500 to work with your 6600, test the mic side of the little power box that came with your headset by plugging a 3.5mm stereo cable into the jack and measuring the voltages on the tip and sleeve relative to ground.  As a general guess, if you find 3vdc on the tip then your headset is like mine.  If you find 3vdc on the sleeve then your headset is like Dale's.

    Tim K9WX
  • N8SDRN8SDR Member
    edited August 2018
    Mine was purchased from Amazon as well only 3 months ago-- Well I like Yamaha headsets I am starting to think they are wired like MFJ products- as in: NO SET STANDARD. 

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