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  • Neal_K3NC
    Neal_K3NC Member ✭✭
    edited March 2015
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    This stuff is just crazy! The guys who think they know when its coming dont have a single clue whats going on. If people have migrated to the Anan radios, fine for them, its a great radio and I hope they enjoy it. This useless name calling of "kool aid drinkers" is so distasteful, indicating that the propaganda published by Flex is so overwhelmingly false and pervasive that poor **** operators are just swallowing things with no understanding at all.  Flex doesn't publish much information at all,  so where is this propaganda coming from? Its coming from Flex customers who are truly happy with the radio and their manufacturer. You should be so lucky to have kool-aid drinkers feeling that loyal to you or your company! But few do, so what does that say about Flex?
  • Jay -- N0FB
    Jay -- N0FB Member ✭✭
    edited March 2015
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    Steve, I fear that this is a societal trend.  Its not just the lack of patience, its the sense of entitlement which has become so pervasive.  It smacks of a rampant ideology in the EU (and starting to take hold with young adults here in the US). Alas...this is the not the proper forum for discussing my thoughts on this.
  • Cliff Batson  N4CCB
    edited June 2016
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    "More people have ascended **** into Heaven than have shipped great software on time." - Jim McCarthy
  • WA6FXT Mike
    WA6FXT Mike Member ✭✭
    edited September 2016
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    SQQ, Lack of full disclosure by FRS? I've never seen the big 3 disclose anything. When was the last disclosure from those vendors? Sheesh! Mike
  • WA2SQQ
    WA2SQQ Member ✭✭
    edited March 2015
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    An update on what's the holdup would go very far. I loved my 5k and loving my 6500. Definitely not trolling, but the lack of updates does have many people wondering. If FRS said its going to take 2 more months, because ....would go far. Honesty goes a long way!
  • Walt - KZ1F
    Walt - KZ1F Member ✭✭
    edited November 2016
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    Why would they possibly do that Burt. They know full well everybody on here will pay whatever they ask for 2.0 whenever it comes out....Don't try to bargain with the vendor, you have nothing to offer.
  • Barry Comer
    Barry Comer Member
    edited May 2019
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    Guys can we please give this tired old topic a rest? I want 1.4 as well but not until it is ready. Please go enjoy the gear you have and maybe log a new or long lost contact. This and other like threads are getting really old.
  • Jay -- N0FB
    Jay -- N0FB Member ✭✭
    edited March 2015
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    Burt, if I'm not mistaken, the Boston MBTA is a governmental entity.  So this "Day of Free Rides" wasn't really free.  You tax-payers in Mass. paid handsomely for it.  Some bureaucrat just made a decision and tricked you into thinking that something was being given to you free.  

    “The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.” -- Margaret Thatcher
  • Walt - KZ1F
    Walt - KZ1F Member ✭✭
    edited November 2016
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    TO the folks at Flex...Pse don't get rope-a-doped into releasing anything before it is time. These 'fans' will huff and puff but they will download 1.4 when you release it, regardless of when you release it. Further, they will pay for 2.0 when you give the word you are taking orders.
  • Walt - KZ1F
    Walt - KZ1F Member ✭✭
    edited November 2016
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    As far as 'compensation'..for what? Where are the damages? You bought a radio, you got a radio. Further, you got a radio that works REALLY well, according to Rob Sherwood and ARRL Labs. I've never seen such entitlement displayed.
  • Jay Nation
    Jay Nation Member ✭✭
    edited May 2020
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    One thing I'm still not clear on exactly. Flex knows exactly how long it takes. How? That would require a lot of Weird. If they can predict the future that good. Why are they selling radios? 
    Check the timestamp on the installer when you get it. That's a more accurate prediction of when it will be available. 

  • Jay Nation
    Jay Nation Member ✭✭
    edited August 2016
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    If it would only stay tired and old,  we could all rest. 
  • Steve K9ZW
    Steve K9ZW Member ✭✭✭
    edited November 2016
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    Thank you Richard, I had thought the only foibles of the British Ham was the ability to somehow look forward to, participate in without losing it, and then actually reminisce about their radio club's AGM (Annual General Meeting)....  I now make sure I don't visit a club when their are doing that process!

    Now on the upside serving pints of Bitter at meetings was a certain plus!  (Can I admit that I rather liked the more rare Mild also?!).

    Seriously whether there was some non-FRS claims made by the dealers in the UK, or some odd wishful story made the rounds, some UK hams bought into an unofficial timeline that FRS never committed to, nor could in any way their communications here be considered inadequate in explaining what the actually situation was if the UK ham had only looked.

    These UK hams have a valid beef with whoever made promises to them, but are completely mistaken if they think FRS would be obligated or <gasp> somehow even owe compensation for fairytales they have been told or are telling themselves.

    And for those who never did any primary research, like checking out the easy to access FRS website, this community or simply directly communicating with FRS, well what can we say....  Ignoring the official sources of information is never very satisfactory.

    Owning a 5000, a 6300 and a 6700 (and other radios including a new Hilberling) I can say that if you have a Flex Signature Series you not only have a fabulous radio, but you have a radio that is going to keep growing in capability.  Seeing where my 6700 has moved since being the 11th pre-release radio delivered to the present has been a fantastic experience.  By every accounting 1.4 should rock and include features originally scheduled for 1.5

    I prepaid for my initial upgrades as part of my order made just hours after the Signature Series was launched well knowing that the software rollout would have the potential to take a while. 

    As always if you feel your operating style absolutely needs features that are not included in an existing release of software, whether your candidate radio is FRS or some other brand, do some heart searching whether you want to buy now knowing what you really want is done the road, or keep your purse shut until the product as you want it is ready.

    The hardware is not the important part in the purchase timing decision, rather it is the software that should be your driver.

    Very sorry if some UK hams were pushed to buy by aggressive salesmen and dealers in their country, but that is their fault - and actually if I pulled a **** like that I would be quiet about rather than posting rants admitting I didn't do my homework before buying.  

    My 2-cents,

    73

    Steve
    K9ZW
  • tompanderson
    tompanderson Member
    edited December 2016
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    Excellent response Bill! Really looking forward to 1.4. Tom
  • Jerry W2TXB
    Jerry W2TXB Member ✭✭
    edited December 2016
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    As does mine, and as do most every other's out there. I personally do not want Flex to substitute speed (or release) for quality. I see that sort of thing in my ER every so often when folks come in and think they will be done and out within less than an hour (like the TV show "ER"... everybody is in, done, and out in 54 minutes or less ;) ). What do they want us to "shortcut" on, and will they accept less than excellent results if we did shortcut their care? The same applies here, and most of us are apparently OK with waiting longer for a better product, as it is costing us nothing more than we have already spent.
  • Brian Morgan VK7RR
    Brian Morgan VK7RR Member ✭✭
    edited December 2018
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    I find this whole discussion quite disappointing. Yes,  I agree that waiting for 1.4 is tiresome but does anyone want another 1.3.8 which may have been released too early because of similar complaints. For me, I would rather that 1.4 takes as long as is necessary to achieve what is desired with it, rather than being released with the risk of having bugs in it. As for discounts anyone who is not happy with SmartSDR releases can always write their own code. I wonder how long that will take!
    To all those at Flex I say, don't be diverted by complaints about the "delay" in release of v1,4, but let us hope that this extra time has allowed for v1.3.8 to be given an honourable farewell.
    73 Brian VK7RR/4
  • M0GVZ
    M0GVZ Member
    edited March 2015
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    Yes I did read what Gerald wrote. And I read what was written in January. And December. And every previous month. Its still 5 months behind schedule. They started it before they released 1.3 back in July. By the time it gets released, assuming it ever sees the light of day, it'll have been in development longer than the gestation period of a baby which is ridiculous for a point release.
  • M0GVZ
    M0GVZ Member
    edited March 2015
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    "I just can't believe there are so many impatient people."
    
    Complaining about something which is 5 months late and 2 months after it was last promised has nothing at all to do with being impatient. Impatient would've been complaining about it not being released in October or November.


  • M0GVZ
    M0GVZ Member
    edited March 2015
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    I doubt I'll still own it by then. Remote operation was the sole reason I bought it, my personal circumstances pretty much requiring it. I was happy to wait 6 months from when I bought my Flex for it to be released. I was even OK, albeit a bit disappointed when it was delayed and promised some time in January. That went to quite disappointed after the end of January to outright fed up and making the decision that given I've only been able to get maybe 12 contacts in since Christmas that I may as well sell up. I've missed one contest I enjoy doing as a direct result of the delay, I'll be missing another in a couple of weeks by the looks of things. 

    If 1.4 turns up before I've sold it I'll carry on - remote op is the only thing I want, I don't give a toss about FreeDV, FM or anything else.

    If 1.4 doesn't turn up before I've sold it I'll use the funds to buy a pair of Remoterig boxes for my TS480 if I'm not totally cheesed off by then and just decide to chuck the entire hobby.

    By all means feel free to call me a kool-aid drinker or whatever the latest insults are on the forum, I'm long past caring.
  • M0JUE
    M0JUE Member ✭✭
    edited February 2016
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    A poor workman blames his tools ?.
  • KY6LA_Howard
    KY6LA_Howard Member ✭✭✭
    edited March 2015
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    @M0GVZ

    I think you are misunderstanding the roadmap. Nothing was "PROMISSED"

    The. Roadmap was best guess ESTIMATED delivery

    You were totally spoiled by the fact that Flex met or came very close to Best. guess dates for v1.0-1.3. Personally in my 50+ years around computers I have never seen anyone ever come so close to their initial best guesses.

    It is virtually impossible to predict how long something will take to develop when you are INVENTING something that has never been invented before. There are just too many unpredictable unknowns that need to be identified, solutions found and tested and then tested against previous systems to make sure ithe new solutions don't create new problems.

    The reason Flex will no longer provide best guess dates in the future is due to complaints like yours and others who don't understand the software development process. So you only have to blame yourself if you are. Kept in the dark in the future..

    Frankly unless you have actually invented a complex system yourself, I really do not think most people are able to understand the difficulties involved, the unexpected issues that crop up and the interactions that cause other issues. So they end up, like you, thinking best guesses are promises. Nothing was PROMISSED.
  • KY6LA_Howard
    KY6LA_Howard Member ✭✭✭
    edited March 2015
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    BTW. Cool aid drinkers mean "the FaithFul" after the Jonestown Religious fanatics who drank poisoned Cool Aid. I think we had this remote discussion before. I travel a great deal so I operate WAN remote all the time. No I do not. Do CW but SSb and digital work great for me remotely. Even worked several contests albeit not as fast as at home. LAN remote is easily achieved I am diong it now in my house. As I have multiple computers on my network running SSDR Audio via DAX is good enough on LAN or fast WAN, 4G LTE and even very fast 3G. Would I love native WAN/LAN. Absolutely. But I have hundredes of Q running iPad WAN Remote and running LAN remote. So far , of all the radios I have remoted,,the 6700 is the easiest.
  • Steve K9ZW
    Steve K9ZW Member ✭✭✭
    edited November 2016
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    Conor you've written lavishly about how your new Flex has been outclassing your prior gear, the ability to use features like slices, and not a peep on remoting. Sure doesn't read from your QRZ write up that you bought your Flex ONLY to use a feature soon to rolled out, and that you've had great luck with your rig. Hoping you hang in for the upcoming release, especially after your wait and this less than fun thread. Beautiful part of your country you're in, I did trade shows in Hull when living in Manchester. Wish I had been on the air back then. Again hope you remain in patience like all of us. 73
  • Barry Comer
    Barry Comer Member
    edited May 2015
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    Well said - 1.4 will be great followed by 1.5 when ready. Paying for 2.0 is not a problem since it helps to ensure the long term support of my awesome 6500. Now to actually go use my radio instead of hanging out in a forum group.
  • DrTeeth
    DrTeeth Member ✭✭
    edited August 2016
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    @ Steve,

    In some defence of my country's retailers, they may have overegged the update/upgrade schedule, but there was some discussion a while back back if the Flex 6xxx actually had working FM. The Flex site *still* has FM specs in their official web pages giving the impression that it is available NOW - in spite this having been pointed out to them on this forum. Some hams bought on that basis.

    The only rumour I have heard about 1.4 features is that FreeDV/Waveform API was meant to be in, then it was out, and then in again. v1.5 is going to be like a Star Trek episode- it will go where no man has gone before, in that the enhancements to NB etc will be using novel techniques (and hopefully some UI enhancements).
  • Ian1
    Ian1 Member ✭✭
    edited September 2015
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    Babbling nonsense.

    It sounds like a thread that was written by Hams with to much free time and have a sedentary lifestyle.

    The Flex 6000 series even with no updates is so far ahead of it's competition anyone who uses just a radio without a bunch of add on to enhance a regular radio will know this.

    Why don't you guys just relax, whatever time it takes so be it. Go do something else rather then whine about a delay in a update release.


    My 2 Cents
    Ian

  • Bill -VA3WTB
    Bill -VA3WTB Member ✭✭✭
    edited December 2016
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    I agree, I have been wondering why many of us even took the time to respond to this wast. I am going to make an effort not to bother in the future. This complaining has no effect on the outcome and it only confirms there are some who really have no clue. And when version 1.4 does come out these people will look very silly.
  • Jay -- N0FB
    Jay -- N0FB Member ✭✭
    edited March 2015
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    Connor -- M0GVZ...there were no promises 2 years ago or 2 months ago.  These were best guess estimates...no promises...no contracts.  If you construed the road map as being a promise, then you have only yourself to deal with.
  • Jay -- N0FB
    Jay -- N0FB Member ✭✭
    edited March 2015
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    Bill, In my estimation, they already look very silly.

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