Flex-3000 is gone?

Cedric HB9HFN · October 2014

The Flex-3000 is no longer to sell on the Flexradio homepage...

73, Cedric HB9HFN

Richard G7EIX · October 2014

It was a wonderful radio. But the 6300 is a worthy replacement. Now all we need is a 6150 - 10watt QRP Radio that will fit in your backpack with a built in router and were cooking on gas!

Ken - NM9P · October 2014

I noticed that this morning as well. Has the 3000 been dropped from the line? or are they rewriting some of the web pages?

If the 3000 is being dropped, is the 1500 far behind? (I hope not, it is the best QRP deal out there in my book.)
If so, is there a Flex-6100 on the horizon? Hmmm... 5 watts, 1-54 Mhz coverage, 1 or 2 Mhz wide pan, two slices, little brother to the 6300... Inquiring minds want to know!

Ted WA3AER · October 2014

You are so right. That was a rather quiet stage left exit, wasn't it? I suppose it was inevitable as the technology moves forward. Now I have 2 vintage Flex SDRs, the 3000 and 5000, both in fine working order, which are sure to become collector items one fine day. Were it not for these radios' existence, It's unlikely I would have gotten back into Amateur Radio. These "old timers" are still head-and-shoulders better than many of the knob radios out there, unless you're able to spend a LOT more $$. 73 Ted WA3AER

Tim - W4TME · October 2014

Yes, we have recently ceased production on the FLEX-3000. The FLEX-3000 has been an excellent radio since 2008 and this was a difficult decision for FlexRadio to make. The simple answer to "why?" is that with the introduction of the FLEX-6000 Series and specifically the FLEX-6300, the sales on the FLEX-3000 have dropped off to where it's just not a financially viable product for FlexRadio any longer. The new FLEX-6300 is in the same basic price category as the FLEX-3000 plus offers next generation DIRECT SAMPLING SDR technology, amazing dual slice (band or frequency) receiver performance, and simple Ethernet connectivity allowing for future remote radio operation from anywhere. Additionally, our new SmartSDR software platform has features the FLEX-3000 won't ever be able to support. The FLEX-3000 is still very much an active radio and we will be supporting the rig for many years to come.

Ken - NM9P · October 2014

As much as I hate to see the 3000 go, (It was probably the best rig in its price category) I have to admit that it would be much easier on FRS to consolidate to one product line and throw all of their development energy that way.

On the other hand, I am not sure that the market is ready to see the 1500 dropped from the line. It would be interesting to know how many they are still selling. It is a great little rig!

I was amazed when I got the little 1500. At under $650 its receiver kicked the **** of my Kenwood TS-850. I would love to see a 6100 or 6150, but am afraid that the price point might not be able to match the 1500, although I am sure that performance would surpass it. My guess is they would need to shoot for under $800-$900 in order to carve out a place in the batting order.
(But I haven't done any sales research on the matter.)

Gerald-K5SDR · October 2014

The FLEX-1500 is still selling quite well. We will continue to make it as long as sales volumes support.

Ken - NM9P · October 2014

Good to know, Gerald. That is a great little rig. If I hadn't whet my teeth on the 1500 and my wife could see how much FUN I was having with it, I would NEVER have gotten the 6500 approved by my "local finance committee!"

Jerry W2TXB · October 2014

A "61__" model would be interesting, and maybe even a worthy competitor to the popular Elecraft KX3 (claimed to be a SDR, but not to the degree of Flex Radio transceivers). Ten watts (or so) output, SSDR, Ethernet interface... is this being considered? I fully realize that many potential products are proposed by the geeks (with good reason), but panned by the bean counters (also with good reason).

Even using such a radio as a 1500 as a general coverage SWL radio makes sense; a 61-series as described above would be even better. Most companies can build a transmitter that works reasonably well, but with the Flex.... ohhhhhh, that receiver!

N8SDR · October 2014

The new FLEX-6300 is in the same basic price category as the FLEX-3000

Please explain how the 6300 at roughly $800.00 dollars more is in the same BASIC price range?

Personally from my view point and others you have just taken yourself out of a stiff market of entry level 100W rigs under $2000.00

And along with that have slimed down the chances of upgrading to one of your other products by those who base there upgrades on how well there entry level radio has worked for them.

When my 3000 dies I'll need another rig to replace it with and since you no longer offer a market of entry level pricing of all mode 100w rigs under 2000.00 you have greatly reduced my possibilities of that being another Flex.

If it wasn't the best rig in that price category it certainly was within the top 3.

Rick

N8SDR

Steve W6SDM · October 2014

All good things must come to an end. When dealing with cutting edge technology like SDR, it's going to have a much shorter product life cycle than mature technology where there are fewer opportunities for advancement. Personally, I like being on the cutting edge and I realize what that means.

Collins never came out with an "affordable" alternative to the S line. For decades it was the most prestigious commercial brand name in existence. It was a pity that many of us couldn't afford it and could only dream and drool.

My 3000 got me into SDR radio with a gradual upgrade to a 5000, then a 6300. Who knows what the next big thing will be? Right now, there's still enough mystery and awe in the 6000 series and SSDR to keep me satisfied for a long time.

There are a lot of 3000s and 5000s out there and they're both still being actively supported by Flex. I have a feeling that those radios will be the first SDR for many hams.

Howard - W1HMB · October 2014

I agree with Rick's (N8SDR) comments!

Ricky · October 2014

I think you are making a mistake on this move of no longer making the 3000. If you want sale to go back up on this great radio just get rid of the Fire wire interface and use the same connection as the flex 6000 rigs and the rigs will start selling again. The firewire is ok but too many problems on hooking it up. This was the BEST Rig in your line up. Again I feel you are making a huge MISTAKE !

Ken - NM9P · October 2014

It seems to me that a redesign of the 3000 to change the interface from firewire to ethernet would be a major undertaking in order to update a piece of equipment whose design is already 6-7 years old. It would require redesigning all the circuit boards, designing new production routines, reprogramming surface mount flow soldering equipment, rewriting software and manuals, testing a new design, and getting type acceptance all over again. All for a rig that has had a great run, but is already old technology.

I would think that it would also bump the price up to the point that the difference between it and the 6300 would be insignificant. It is time to let it go and look to the future and see what new things are coming down the FRS pipeline.

Reggie · October 2014

In 4 to 5 years, will the 6000 series be experiencing this issue with obsolescence?

Steve W6SDM · October 2014

Maybe. Although the word "obsolescence is somewhat ominous. Obsolete refers to something that is already disused or discarded, or antiquated. I don't think that applies to any of the Flex legacy radios.

I have a 2005 BMW 325i with almost 200K miles on it. I can't buy this car any more but the dealer still services it and I drive it to work every day. The dealer stopped making this car a year after it went into production. However, people still buy the 3 series knowing that their baby will be obsolete less than 12 months after they bough ti.

The rapid advances in technology mean that new components are brought to market with increasing speed. Flex, being a progressive company, incorporates the latest technology into their products. If they didn't they wouldn't be around very long. And someone else would be marketing an 8-slice SDR, which itself would eventually become obsolete.

Personally, I look forward to the 7000 series radios. And if the Signature Series radios hold their value as well as my 3000 and 5000 did, I will be glad to upgrade.

Steve
W6SDM

N8SDR · October 2014

Its not so much a question of continuing the 3000 or converting it too an Ethernet connection instead of Fire-wire. The main thing as I stated is Flex has decided to remove itself from one of the major price ranges of many amateurs period. If your going to **** off the 3000 production fine so be it, But I feel is a HUGE mistake on Flex Radio Systems part in not replacing it with something else that is in the same price range as it was. That being the under ($2000.00 mark). That Price Point as I see it and I would venture to think MANY OTHERS is a MAJOR make/break deal for many an amateur looking for a new transceiver. And No matter how you put it Tim the 6300 is NOT in the same Price range as the 3000 was who the **** did that marketing research?

As I said in an earlier post. Many new amateurs and a good portion of those who have been in it for years base there next rig on how well that brand has performed for them in the past. With todays economy as it is Flex now looks to be catering to the wealthier market.. Just like many politicians they have forgotten the middle to struggling class of folks who helped to get them there.

As I see it, this move will only hurt potential new sales and many future upgrades for them.

Rick

N8SDR

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