Is ANF Working Better in V3 ?

Russ Ravella

Jim Gilliam

Russ Ravella

N8AUM

Good question Russ, currently running V3 but I will enable it than reload 249 and see if it responds in the same way. Will let you know if I notice any difference between the 2 versions. Guess I wont get much sleep tonight lol 

K5ROX

ANF on every radio I have works great.....except the flex.

Dan KG0AQ

I remember my old SDR-1000 and early software revisions of my Flex-5000 working great. I think when they went away from the AF based ANF it went to ****. Has not worked since.

Mark K1LSB

What is "AF based ANF", please?

Scott N8UMW

Yes sir. ANF and NB need much work.

James Whiteway

Mark, AF based means the filter is working in the audio domain, instead of the digital domain. AF filtering was common in a lot of radios before DSP came along. Some worked quite well. Others not so well.
James
WD5GWY

Mark K1LSB

James Whiteway

Bill -VA3WTB

I am not a Flex employee


I would not expect any changes to the DSP in V2.5. I have not heard anything about it being worked on.
The DSP has not really been worked on since it was first introduced a long time ago. 
Imagine, even without some of those filters not working so well, the Flex is still a wonderful receiver, I wonder how that could be?

James Whiteway

Bill, why would you think that the DSP functions will not be addressed? I would hope with all the various posts made on this forum, that FRS would see how important these features are to a lot of their user base.
 I cannot imagine with hardware that can be leveraged to the level that FRS has so far, that they cannot or will not get back to the basics for a while and address those issues.
I understand things like the Noise Blanker not being able to handle every single situation, but, it can be improved. And the ANF can be improved as well. Along with other bugs and features that don't work as well as their counterparts from other manufacturers.
  I agree that the 6000 Series radio receivers are great. But, there is a lot of room for improvement. Even the 1500 I had with PSDR had an ANF that worked great.
Other SDR radios have better ANF than the 6000 Series. To me, that is sad.
Not every ham needs remoting or multi-client. But, to capture the rest of the market, FRS needs more of the basics that work, and work equal to, or better than the competition.
   As far as the receiver being wonderful, it is simple, it has a lot to do with Direct Conversion and not having several stages the signal has to travel thru like older analog receivers do. No phase noise, and a host of other reasons.
But, interference fighting tools that work are standard on all radios now. And are the expected norm. Not something that "might" be fixed added someday.
Since you have a disclaimer stating you "are not a Flex employee" (are you an Alpha Tester?) how do you know or expect to hear that the DSP functions are not being worked on?
I have had actual Flex employees (including their head of engineering) tell me that by v2.49 things like the ANF and other issues would be looked at and  corrected. That didn't happen. Instead, v3.x came out. So, hopefully, v2.50 will be the version that finally fixes things. If not, I expect there will be a LOT more posts like those of last weekend.
James
WD5GWY




Bill -VA3WTB

Mark K1LSB

Craig Williams

Guess I don't understand. My ANF works fine on my 6400 with V2.9.x

Bob G W1GLV

Read the "mitigating noise" on the Flexradio website.

Bill -VA3WTB

DL4RCE

Craig, it does not work fine, maybe fine enough for you but compared to what is possible with other rigs it simply does not the job even

DL4RCE

Craig, it does not work fine, maybe fine enough for you but compared to what is possible with other rigs it simply does not do the job even with simple single tones. I do not use it so I don't care too much. Volker

Lionel

ANF seems okay to me but I mostly use CW.  When you say compared to what is possible with other dogs, what does that mean?  I really want to know because I have no reference in the shack to compare the Flex ANF.  What is it that other mfg ANF does, or does better, that sets the bar for Flex? 

As I said, it seems okay to me and maybe its because I have not used any other ANF.

Burch - K4QXX

Neal Pollack, N6YFM

Guys:   Can you define a little more specifically what you mean, rather than
"works great except the Flex"?

If engineering in ANY company was going to act on the complaint, it helps to know
a little more specifically and verbosely what the issue is?   Can you describe what the Flex does with ANF that the other rigs do not?

Without more detail, your comments are without use.  It's like calling Microsoft and
yelling at the support person "I GOT AN ERROR MESSAGE".   They ask, what did
it specifically say, and the response is usually something like  "I DON'T KNOW, BUT
IT DON'T WORK AND I'M ****".   Um, how would you take action on THAT software bug?  :-)  :-)

Cheers,

Neal

Lionel

Agreed Neal.  

Craig Williams

Really, really, boring conversations not bring any useful information on using and enjoying Ham Radio.

Bill -VA3WTB

This is why I never use the ANF. what I do is creat a TNF and park it just out side the pass band, then if a signal comes up I simply grab it and slide it over the signal ,,all done.

Till they look into this again.

Mike W9OJ

"If you use it on an offending noise that isn't on top of a signal, it works fine."

But that's the only reason to use it in the first place.

Mark K1LSB

Mark K1LSB

Mark K1LSB

Then to borrow a quote from Bill VA3WTB (wow, who ever thought I'd ever say that!?), "if you don't like what you read, please turn the page."

Craig Williams

So, I am not allowed to have an opinion?