MaestroControl - the next generation FlexControl

Tim - W4TME

Tim, lets say for the sake of not messing with current SSDR development this new device were set up to work with ddutil does that make any better sense?

That is not up to FlexRadio.  DDUtil is a third-party application.  If Steve wants to add support for any multi-function controllers, be them from FRS or someone else, that is his prerogative.

John Molenda

nice shack but too orderly for me Ha Ha 

Russ GUIDRY SR

When will multi client be due out so SSDR remote and Maestro going to be able to concurrently control a 6700 WAN attached? Thanks

KY6LA_Howard

Flex does Not Publish expected release dates for future software release.  

They wisely, in my opinion, stopped doing this several years ago after a very uncomfortable user backlash about being late on a date.

The reality of software development of complex systems is that it is almost impossible to predict when a program will be finished.   Even when coding is done, things need to be thoroughly tested to discover any interactions which break other things that in turn need to be fixed.  So it is not as simple as just writing code and throwing it out there but rather they need to go through a very thorough testing process to make sure everything still works

Kevin

The reality of software development of complex systems is that it is possible to predict when a program can be released if it is managed properly. Wasn't there a post a while back that FRS uses agile development? Or was this just someone throwing around buzzwords? Agile has a very specific meaning as it relates to releases. "It advocates adaptive planning, evolutionary development, early delivery, and continuous improvement, and it encourages rapid and flexible response to change." Even if not Agile, each development method includes predictive tools for release management. Well except maybe the fly-by-the-seat-of-your-pants development but I don't think that's the case here, right?

Do they really "make sure everything still works" before "throwing it out there"? Flex Agile (Flagile) maybe. 

Sorry Flex felt uncomfortable about user backlash. I hate it when someone is uncomfortable.

Do right things for the right reasons.

73,
Kev K4VD

IW7DMH, Enzo

The reality, or what we feel from this side, is that Flex has almost completely stopped SW development when the new models were announced. The "7610 effect" has messed up what in the beginning was a very good plan. Today we have a 2.0 version that does not support the DAX using the great SmartLink system, a sw that needs a very powerful computer to properly handle the CW tone generation and a radio that is practically useless with a 1-Mbit network. The last one against the "thin-pipe" techonologies benefits.
While I firmly believe in the Flex sdr approach, today I'm a lot less enthusiastic than two years ago. Going around the world and playing with a $3,000/$7,000 Flex with my tablet is not my greatest ambition. I would be much happier if only I could have, just to say one, panadaper spots and be even more competitive during the contests.
We will wait for better days, for the moment I wish you a great 2018.

73'
Enzo iw7dmh

Al_NN4ZZ

Hi Rich,
Saw your comment (excerpted) in another post today.     



I think this may be what you want, maybe if we get enough votes and interest  FRS will build it.  

Al / NN4ZZ  
al (at) nn4zz (dot) com
6700 & SSDR-W  V 2.1.30
Win10

Elliot Skultin

I find the Smart SDR interface with a mouse and thumb wheel so fast and efficient, I can’rt understand why anyone would want to go back to knobs. If my iPad could use a mouse, it would be excellent. More junk on the desk isn’t attractive.

Al_NN4ZZ

Hi Elliot, There is definetly still a desire for knobs and buttons. And glad to see that Flex offers options like the FlexControl, Maestro and M model radios. They have all been popular options. When the “concurrent client” feature is implemented, some may want to use the Maestro along with their SSDR client on the PC. I’d prefer a smaller footprint like the Mega-control suggested here. I currently use 2 FlexControls and it would be about the same size bur have more knobs and buttons. Regards, Al / NN4ZZ

Sergey KN7K

Hi All,
I am following Flex forum and debating, debating, debating if I am ready to switch from FT5000MP fo Flex 6xxx series radio.
Few things that bother me not related to this thread (mostly funstionality and SW), but for control, I would be interested in your proposal with some tweaks.
Looking into Legacy radios vs Flex , I do not like idea of extra clicks - change band-tap on the screen and than click band,
most of the settings on my FT5000MP available from the front panel. So, band switch buttons is a must in my opinion. 

I was thinking about other idea, but not sure if anybody would develope it or would be interested. Most of us have tablets in different sizes. I have iPad 9.7" and I think it would be cool if I would have controller with just few buttons and by click on any slider on the Tablet screen make my Knobs active for tuning this specific slider. Yes it still 2 clicks and extra box for control, and I think I saw some prototype a year ago from somebody, but do not remember who it was and I think it never came to life.
Sergey, KN7K

I0JBL - Luc

This discussion does not concern necessity but habits.

With the mouse in SSDR everything can be done. Can everything be done quickly and accurately?

My opinion is no.

Since the 6500 has arrived in my shack I have always used it with Pegasus Plus and Tmate2 and I immediately had some options to manage the equipement that in the development of SSDR come years later and some features that are in PP there are not still in SSDR.

Two years ago I was bitterly criticized, I do not remember from who, because of a further program on the desktop was useless and generate confusion.

For me it was not so thanks to Carl N4PY and his Pegasus Plus.

I also have Maestro, but I find it superfluous useless if it can not be used simultaneously with SSDR on a PC.

PP and Tmate2 cost a third of the Maestro and do more things.

My 10 cent.

Best 73

Luciano I0JBL

Al_NN4ZZ

W7NGA

If I am reading between the lines correctly, this function will NOT be implemented in this version of multiFlex. I would have purchased a Maestro if it worked as you have specified.

Al_NN4ZZ

I have also seen a few unofficial replies that suggest it is NOT in the initial release but some hints that it "might" be coming in a later 3.x version.   But again that's unofficial (not from FRS directly). 

Regards,  Al / NN4ZZ  
al (at) nn4zz (dot) com

W7NGA

I would be happy with an enhanced FlexControl ... a subset of the Maestro front-end (as with the latest Icom). I am surprised this functionality is not being offered with multiFlex. Guessing, again, but I think I should be able to monitor multiple bands or segments of a band with my 6600 and SSDR, select a specific band or segment with the Maestro and operate in that fashion. 

I currently do something like this with my Surface Pro 4 laptop and 43" monitor running SSDR. I can 'pop out' a panadapter to the laptop and yet still monitor other bands on the large screen. I am without a knobbed interface, but honestly, the mouse control works very well and probably faster in many instances.

Matt NQ6N

W7NGA

I agree Matt. SSDR looks gorgeous on my big screen monitor and laptop, and I find that, generally, mouse control works very well. Oddly, the turn-off for me with the Maestro is the inability to disable the waterfall. I typically do not use it and would find it a waste of precious real estate.

Asher - K0AU

N8FNR

Getting back to the original post, if Flex came up with a device that looks like the image at the top of the page for $300 or so I would place my order right now. Would be sweet have a control surface like that. I know I could get a Maestro but I only operate from my PC that is next to the rig and feel that I have no need for the Maestro. I never operate remotely.

Al_NN4ZZ

Zack,

Me too!

Even $400 would be a good deal.

Al / NN4ZZ  
al (at) nn4zz (dot) com
6700 & SSDR-W  V 2.4.9
Win10

Asher - K0AU

I'd buy the current $1200 Maestro if it had a control surface mode and I can retire my RemoteRig setup. It would be one fewer box and eliminate an extra A/D conversion for mic and headphone

roger na4rr

Al_NN4ZZ

Hi Roger.....I thought Tim was just kidding....maybe not.

Regards,  Al / NN4ZZ  
al (at) nn4zz (dot) com

Matt NQ6N

Asher -- thanks for the recommendation. I've been reluctant to buy one of those in case the issue can be addressed with software or Flex hardware, but it's nice to know that it is working flawlessly for you. 

I think there are probably a few different approaches to side tone (including sending the audio back slightly delayed) which would work but which wouldn't fully make operating remote just like sitting in front of the rig.  

The other day I turned on FDX and listened to my second harmonic to get some side tone

Asher - K0AU