WWV shutdown annonunced

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So WWV is ending service but a feature of the new rigs and firmware/software is accurate freq calibration. So is flex going to provide another accurate time base or will this great feature just go away in the next released version leaving us sol?
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Wayne

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Lou Dietrich

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It, WWV shutdown, has NOT been announced yet. The 2019 budget has a clause proposing it be shut down. Nothing written in stone....yet!
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Alan WA4SCA

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As has been pointed out, this is just a budget proposal.  Usually these sorts of cuts never happen.  However, there are other time standards, such as CHU which has many of the same features.  Just harder to remember frequencies.  ;)
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James Skala

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free gpsdo for everyone :)

Just kidding :)
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mikeatthebeach .

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Times standards have modernized compared to the older technology
Using Satellite's these days and to the Internet. 
GPS driven time standards from satellites have 10MHz references
that can be used around the world
Most do not use 10MHz WWV over the Air Transmissions anymore
73 Mike

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Wayne

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Glaad to see there are alternatives ..
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Robert Lonn

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Wait!!!!!!!! All my self setting clocks, weather stations, and my Citizen Blue Angels watch all use WWV!! The world as we know it will come to an end,, so our ARRL friends won’t let it happen!!!!!! It will become like the days when your VCR clock will just flash 12:00 all the time!!!!

RSL
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David Orman

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That's generally WWVB. I don't believe it is on the list for consideration of shutdown.
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Rich McCabe

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As I first read this I thought no big deal. But wait, I have a Blue Angel watch as well !!
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Wayne

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Oh ok, i thought it had to be WWV so I guess any accurate 10Mhz signal will work, great!
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George Molnar, KF2T, Elmer

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Doesn’t even need to be 10 MHz. Any accurate source will work.
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Ken - NM9P, Elmer

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When I was a small child, my grandma used to say: "Yer hollerin' before yer hurt!"
In other words..."You're frett'n  'bout something that ain't happened yet." 

Grandma would say....let's wait and see if anything comes of this before we begin the panic-driven stampede...

My dad might say...."The machinations of the Federal Government are as mysterious as the ways of God, but much less benevolent, and completely unpredictable.  Never worry about something you hear that the government MIGHT be planning to do....but watch your wallet."

Ken - NM9P
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Bill -VA3WTB

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My radio has GPSO in it,,no need for WWV
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Martin Ewing AA6E

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Except Flex, in its wisdom, does not deliver GPS time to your shack. GPSDO is only for frequency. "It's only software?"
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Bill -VA3WTB

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That is correct, The radio is not an NTP/SNTP server.
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Martin Ewing AA6E

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We WWV users need to speak up for the service. There are lots of us (relatively) low tech users of HF time and frequency. Write your congessfolk.
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Neal Pollack, N6YFM

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You mean the same worthless corrupted lazy congress that won't get around to Amateur Radio Parity Act (or much anything else)  for two years?

I don't think you will see me holding my breath  :-)
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Robert Lonn

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This is a ARRL effort, they have a lot of clout!!!
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N8SDR

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LOL im laughing my  off.  I stopped support of ARRL log ago, there like most other  agencies now a days , all they want is your money and all you get is well NOTIN.. 
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Neal Pollack, N6YFM

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Um, guys, given the current Solaris De Sewer Sunspot Cycle  (sic), how many of you can actually receive WWV on the average day? :-)

There is this little thing called USB GPS receivers,  GPSDO modules with 10 Mhz outputs, Flex and Icom rigs with 10 Mhz reference inputs, Internets with NTP (Network Time Protocol), etc, etc.  [Dare I say much more modern and always readable.]

The only thing in my shack that would stop working would be the dual-zone MFJ wall clock,
um, er, wait, it uses WWV and can never receive it, so it does not keep time anyway (It's an MFJ).

Cheers,

Neal
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Ken - NM9P, Elmer

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Our atomic clocks, etc, actually receive WWVB, the ultra low frequency station at 100 KHz, not the shortwave stations.

BTW, at my station in Indiana there is hardly ever a time that I cannot receive at least ONE of the WWV stations...usually at 5, 10, or 15 MHz.

Ken -NM9P
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Ria - N2RJ, Elmer

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WWVB is actually at 60khz
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Mark WS7M

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I have absolutely zero issues receiving WWV and WWVB here in Fort Collins regardless of the sunspot cycle or geo storms.

It is mighty DX at a whopping 10.52 miles away!
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Ria - N2RJ, Elmer

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Well there is a whitehouse petition. So you can sign that. Right now it’s just a budget request and not confirmed.

One thing that may be possible is using an ordinary AM radio station as a frequency source. They are high accuracy and stability. But I haven’t tried with my flex to see if it will work (I have a GPSDO).

As for ARRL, many I’ve talked to dropped their membership. A big reason why I’m running for director in my division. People are dissatisfied and when membership drops the FCC simply won’t take them seriously anymore.

Ria
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Please sign the petition to keep WWV on the air.

If our government can spend trillions and trillions of our dollars on unnecessary wars around the world they can afford a few million for WWV!

Pass this link on to all of your friends to sign.

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/maintain-funding-nist-stations-wwv-wwvh

NIST station WWV and sister stations are among the oldest radio stations in the United States, having been in continuous operation since May 1920. The station has transmitted the official US Time for nearly 100 years, and is an instrumental part in the telecommunications field, ranging from broadcasting to scientific research and education. Additionally, these stations transmit marine storm warnings from the National Weather Service, GPS satellite health reports, and specific information concerning current solar activity, and radio propagation conditions. These broadcasts are an essential resource to the worldwide communications industry. This petition requests continued funding of these stations be maintained into the 21st century and beyond to ensure future operations.

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/maintain-funding-nist-stations-wwv-wwvh

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N5LB - Lionel B

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Done!
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Ted, NX6C

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9,584 signed.  The goal is 100,000.
Ted Spiegel
NX6C
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Geoff AB6BT

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There are about 750000 licensed US amateurs so we need less than 14% to sign the petition.
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Jim KJ7S

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Some have put the link on their pages, as I have, and W7GIF has as well. GET ER DONE
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KC2QMA_John

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Please sign the petition to keep WWV on the air.

If our government can spend trillions and trillions of our dollars on unnecessary wars around the world they can afford a few million for WWV!

Pass this link on to all of your friends to sign.

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/maintain-funding-nist-stations-wwv-wwvh

NIST station WWV and sister stations are among the oldest radio stations in the United States, having been in continuous operation since May 1920. The station has transmitted the official US Time for nearly 100 years, and is an instrumental part in the telecommunications field, ranging from broadcasting to scientific research and education. Additionally, these stations transmit marine storm warnings from the National Weather Service, GPS satellite health reports, and specific information concerning current solar activity, and radio propagation conditions. These broadcasts are an essential resource to the worldwide communications industry. This petition requests continued funding of these stations be maintained into the 21st century and beyond to ensure future operations.

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/maintain-funding-nist-stations-wwv-wwvh


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SteveM

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The petition closed. It ended at 20,219 signatures.
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Paul Christensen, W9AC, Elmer

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As for WWVB-synchronized wall clocks and wristwatches, some folks are already creating GPS to WWVB converters.  Here's one of several I've seen:

https://hackaday.com/tag/wwvb/

It won't be long before they're sold on eBay from Asian suppliers. 

The WWVB coding protocol is easily replicated in rPi and Arduino devices.  Of course, power and radiation levels must be kept within country regulatory limits. If the limits are ignored, it would be easy to set up a "whole house" converter.  For 10 MHz, a telescoping whip antenna on the output of a GPSDO covers a surprisingly large area. 

Paul, W9AC