Turning on the Flex 6500 remotely.

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Trying to implement an appropriate way to turn on my Flex 6500 remotely.  If I have the remote plug to ground all the time would this have an an adverse affect on the radio.  I would be turning the power ( 12v) on and off as the means to activate the radio using a wemo switch on my power supply.  Is this a possible scenario or does the radio need the remote switch turned on and off by relay after power is supplied to the radio.  
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Jim Gilliam

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There are various ways to skin a cat on this one. Some like to use I/P relays. Bekin Wemo makes such an animal where you can toggle the relay contacts on/off over the Internet. However, at my location I have an Internet A/C switching device for turning my computer on and off. It has 4 ports. I use one of the ports to apply A/C to a cheapie 12 Volt supply which supplies the voltage to a small 12 volt relay whose contacts are connected to the remote input of the Flex. Works very well as does the Wemo. When the contacts are closed, the radio is turned on. When the contacts are open, the radio turns off.


Jim, K6QE

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George Molnar, KF2T, Elmer

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Your plan will work fine; that's what some of us do. I used to use the WeMo, then changed to a 3 port Global Cache closure unit to switch other things, too.

One thing, though - when you cut the DC supply, any GPS or TCXO advantages are lost. Your radio will also throw a low voltage error message.

If you can, leave rig power attached and use the remote closure to mimic pressing the front panel button.
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Ken K7YR

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Hi Rick,

Please view web site www.ControlByWeb.com.  I purchased a four switch relay, gave it an IP Address and use it to control my 6700, 6300 and antenna relays..  Works just great.  No Rube Goldberg  devices.

Ken K7YR
 
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Chris Tate - N6WM, Elmer

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I like these.. very good value

http://www.digital-loggers.com/ac.html

paired with one of these.. also a good value

http://www.digital-loggers.com/lpc.html

then you can use the ip power switch to turn it on and off..  They have a free ipad app and the power strip is web based.  very slick. 
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Carmine Iannace, W1EQX

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The DLI stuff is great. The combination of the web power switch and their AC relay module is a wonderful idea. Completely plug and play. There is a iPhone app for the web power switch too. I especially love the ping loss monitor reboot function in the switch. The ping loss monitor can also work as a deadman "kill" switch when operating remote and the internet goes down. I recently purchased the DIN relay for my remote Flex station http://www.digital-loggers.com/din.html  The scheduler can shut off the radio at 1 AM if I fall asleep at the remote shack.

Carmine
W1EQX
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Chris Tate - N6WM, Elmer

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Totally agree.  I actually got mine at their facility that is nearby here in the silicon valley.  I rarely endorse companies but DL are super cool, the engineer/owner there gave us a total tour of their factory and showed off new toys.. Listened to us rave about how cool this stuff would be for ham radio.. then as we were departing hands full the engineer quietly shook our hands as he gave us his call sign and the fact he was a long time Amateur radio operator.  :-)
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KY6LA - Howard, Elmer

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I use 3 WEMO switches mainly because they work seamlessly from my iPad remote.

1. Computer AC
2. 12 Astron AC supply
3. 12 Relay to 6700 AC power.
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spopiela

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I like the Ipad/iphone easy connect approach with WEMO . Forty bucks per connection .. I'll tunnel in using VPN on my router and leave the computer off.
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Javier Fernandez

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I use a WEMO Maker with the contact closure contacts wired to the  Remote On RCA input. A little pricey but it works well via my cell phone apps, both IPhone and Android.
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Rick- K2RB

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I want to thank everyone for their support.  Some great ideas and possibilities.  Definite solutions and can't wait to try them.   Rick, K2RB
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Mark - WS7M

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I decided on the digital loggers solution.

I purchased a controllable digital loggers power strip and also one of their relay boards.  The power strip can be used to disable all A/C power to power supplies and other devices.  The relay controller allows me to remote power on/off the 6500 and also my Flex1500.

the digital loggers solutions are robust and easy.
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Bob G W1GLV

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I'll second that. Well built unit. I've had mine for over a month and it works very well over the internet. Very easy to setuo.
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If you use a mini computer that was discussed by simon Lewis, you might also consider remoting a computer on and off also. Most computers are turned on by a SPST switch that requires a momentary closure to to turn it on and a momentary closure to turn it off. I use a remote relay that is pulsed on and off from programming pulsing on my remote power switch. Having the ability to remotely turn a computer on and off can be quite a powerful addition to the shack.


Jim, K6QE

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Don't be misled with the kudos to WEMO smartphone app. Any of the I/P remote switchers can be accessed by entering the I/P address  of the unit (on iPhone Safari, for example) and you directly utilize the GUI of the remoted unit.


Jim, K6QE

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KY6LA - Howard, Elmer

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@Jim k6QE.

While entering ip addresses is doable. It takes time and effort to f=do so which can be a big PIA when remote.
'WEMO has an iPad app. Which is totally seamless. Gives you status of each control when you turn on the app and easily turns power on and off with the touch of the screen.
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Mark - WS7M

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Certainly WEMO and an app work just great. For my data logger devices there is a direct url to enable/disable/cycle each device. On my iphone I just created a folder and put desktop URL apps for each device in the folder. It might even be quicker than the WEMO but I have not tested that. Anyway both methods work.
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Jim Gilliam

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Not so, I just put an icon on the screen and there in less than a second.
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Ken K7YR

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Using the Quad Web Relay www.controlByWeb.com and placing it's icon on your remote device screen the four switches are graphically shown...... Click on of off and away you go.

Ken K7YR
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"If I have the remote plug to ground all the time would this have an an adverse affect on the radio."

No.  That is what it was designed to do.
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Rick, K7FYI

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New Flex 6300 owner here - just being cautious and asking first to confirm my understanding (don't want to hurt my new radio!).  I'm taking from this thread that it's OK to leave the remote plug grounded and turn the radio on / off via the power supply, right?

I already have a RigRunner 4005i and can turn power to the rig on / off remotely through it.  
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Ken - NM9P, Elmer

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I just received this from Amazon and had it hooked up and running in 10 minutes.  It cost $8.95 with Free shipping (Amazon Prime Member).  It has an AC pigtail to plug in and a three terminal panel to wire to  N.O. or N.C.  contacts.  It is slick, and cheaper than I could ever build myself!

http://www.amazon.com/Enclosed-AC-Protection-Bounce-Terminals/dp/B017743I7S?ie=UTF8&psc=1&re...

I am switching it with a NEO Wifi Controlled AC Switch that I also got from Amazon for about $22.  
Or you can use a WiMo brand switch which is good, but more expensive.  

Both have iPhone and iPad applications to turn them on & off.

Ken - NM9P
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I originally thought of using the WEMO Web power switch, but bought the Digital Loggers Web power switch, mentioned above, instead.  The primary reason I like the Digital Loggers unit is that it is hard-wired to the Ethernet network via a CAT5 cable, whereas the WEMO is Wi-Fi, and I was concerned about Wi-Fi failure vs the better reliability of hard wiring via CAT5.  I don't use a wireless router but rather have a wireless access point connected to my network, situated in a more central location of my home, and it has locked up on a power dip at times (i have since added a UPS to its power feed).

Really, any additional contact closure for the power on port of the Flex radio is unnecessary.  Install a shorted RCA plug and anytime you power cycle the Digital Loggers power switch feeding the AC to the radio's DC supply, the radio will turn off and back on without you being present to hit the power switch.  The Digital Loggers unit also has 8 independently operated outlets, so you can reboot your PC as well.  It also has a programming capability so you can ping your router and reboot it should it lock up.  Plus, I do as mentioned above: With internal programming it powers off certain pieces of equipment in late evening should I forget to do so.

Greg - N8GD
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Greg,

I also have been using the Digital Loggers Web power switch here for remote control for a number of years with great results. Love the ping reset and scripting functions too. I would recommend it.

Digital Loggers has a few other great products as well that could be used for remote Flex use as well. Their informational videos on the web site are "campy" but informative.

Carmine W1EQX
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Great switch, been using it for a couple of years.
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I have two Web Power Switches from Digital Loggers. Very reliable -- never had either go off-line unintentionally or require a manual reboot after power failures. 

I use one to control a pneumatic mast and compressor from my desktop PC and Android smartphone and another for remote operations (via OpenVPN) to control my Flex 6500, linear amplifier, DC power supplies, Ethernet to serial adapters and other gear.  

No special client software is required -- any computing device that runs an internet browser can access a Web Power Switch. Here is the control panel for a three year old Web Power Switch 4:



 

At $140 they are well-made and cost-effective.

73,

Larry KB1VFU
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Rick, K7FYI

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Thanks, everyone!  I've got the RigRunner / grounded remote working and have bookmarked the other solutions for future use.
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I never realized so many were remoting their radios   very cool!
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KY6LA - Howard, Elmer

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@Lee ... I guess you just figured out why V2.0 WAN is so Important for future sales at Flex.. 

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I have a 3Gstore Remote Power IP Switch I got from Amazon.  Works great.  My issue is the wiring from the IP remote switch.  Can someone show me a photo of what I need to build for the RCA connection?  I have an old radio shack 3 amp 12 volt power supply running from the IP AC Power switch but am unsure of the wiring to the RCA plug the 12 volt source.
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I used a two dollar 12 VDC (1 amp rating) SPST reed relay from Jameco and wired it inline with a surplus audio cable.   But, I suggest you save yourself the trouble of wiring up a DC relay and get one of these 120 VAC power relays from DLI; plug it into your 3Gstore remote power switch and connect the Flex REMOTE ON to it with any old RCA audio cable from your junk drawer.
http://www.digital-loggers.com/ac.html

The DLI relay gives you a choice of normally-on (closed) or normally-off operation (open). 

73,

Larry KB1VFU
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AB9UU

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Thank you.  I looked at this but was unsure.  I will order one pronto.  I only want to operate "remote" from the bedroom upstairs but this will save me trip to the basement.
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While we will not take orders until the amp has passed final FCC/CE you can send an email to sales at FlexRadio dot com saying you want to be on the mailing list to receive updates.
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AB9UU

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This was too easy.  Worked right away with Digital Loggers device and 3Gstore AC switch.
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Not sure if you guys are familiar with these....
https://www.itead.cc/smart-home/sonoff-wifi-wireless-switch.html
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AB9UU

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How can these things be so inexpensive?   A few years ago I would have to mortgage the house. 

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