Worthless flex 5000 (fully loaded) up for grabs

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I have a top-of-the-line Flex 5000 with all the available options (including UHF/VHF).   I spent over $5000 and hardly used it (various reasons).   Now it seems "left for dead" by the manufacturer and community.

Find it outside, take it, please.   Too worthless to even carry to the trash.
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Stu Phillips - K6TU, Elmer

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Bradley,

I'd hardly describe the 5000 as "left for dead" - the radio still functions well on machines that support it  Its a great radio, works well and PowerSDR is still available from FRS.  Its no different than any other radio whose manufacturer has announced its end of life - I think about my one year old, barely used IC-7000 that Icom "left for dead" - equally unfair.

Nothing is forever.  My 20 year old Kenwood UHF radio sorta still works - the backup battery is toast, the radio is no longer serviced by its manufacturer but it works.  The 5000 will still work in 20 years - you just need to use the same computer as you do now.  No different.

Its better to grind the axe outside.
Stu K6TU
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Bradley Feldman

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Yes, the radical, open, expandable, somewhat future-forward Flex-5000 series, now gone 180 degrees back to, essentially what Icom and Kenwood have always done (minus knobs and buttons).   Revolution or defeat?
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We continue to service and support the FLEX-5000 along with all of our other models.  The repair shop services them every day and we provide free help desk and phone support as well.  Your statement is incorrect.
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Gerald:  Great comment.   How about a trade-in deal with credit towards a 6000 series?   

I bought it because I believed it would continue to evolve (expandable internal hardware platform and semi-open software), or so your sales literature lead me to believe.   

A trade-in deal would certainly heal my wounds from the disappointing abandoned Flex promise.

What do you think?
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I wish there was a DISLIKE button.

I purchased my Flex 5000 in 2009 - I had years of enhancements which I enjoyed. FRS enhanced the radio way more than I ever expected or experienced - there are few manufacturers in Ham Radio that have done the same.

Gee... my 8 year old car wouldn't do Bluetooth to support my new phone - did the manufacturer give me a better trade in than the value of the car because I wanted bluetooth in a new car?

Get real.
Stu K6TU
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At least you can trade in a car.    I'm asking flex to accept a trade to a new series one. They probably can write it off as a bonus.

 What's not a good deal about that for either party?
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Don't you work for flex, Stu?   Even indirectly?    Am I spoiling a similar deal you got from them?   C'mon now.
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Nope, I don't get paid by Flex.  I happen to want them to be a successful and happy company so they keep developing world beating radios.

I sold my 5000 on the open market - to a new very happy 5000 owner.
Perhaps its time you went back under the bridge?  Daylight will come soon....

Sorry, but Scotty is beaming me out of here...
Stu K6TU
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Stu:   Great words from a guy who sold his design (for a control knob) to flex.  Yeah, you didn't get paid.    Hope that transporter is a one way trip for you....hi hi.
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Gerald?
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Stu Phillips - K6TU, Elmer

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As a matter of fact, K6TD and I both gave Flex the design FOR FREE.

So once again you are dead wrong.

Go back under the bridge Mr Troll.
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Charlie

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Brad just sell the radio and be done with it. 
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Bradley Feldman

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Stu:   Give me a break.   You got nothing in return?  I don't believe that.   Even $1 in Flex store credit is something.   Be reasonable.  You're a very smart guy.
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Bradley Feldman

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What's it worth?
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Jon W1JDB

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It would be worth it's weight in gold as a donation to a HAM group struggling for equipment in some High School. That investment would bring on new, young HAMs who would see an opportunity in engaging with SDRs.
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Spot on Jon.
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Bradley Feldman

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Jon: Do you really need two radios?   Why not donate your 5000 and set the example for us all...
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Bradley Feldman

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There are better, cheaper more current and more rewarding options in SDR than the Flex 5000 for young hams.    I may get better deal turning it in as scrap metal.
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I'll make you an offer - -  200 dollars is better than selling it for scrap metal!

Although, I sold my F1k, F1.5K F3K & F5K -- Now I could use a F5K for nostalgia sake.


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Bradley, I will pay the shipping to take it off your hands to donate it to the High School here in Sammamish, WA plus the $0.89/lb you would get for scrap.

That is assuming there is no tongue planted in cheek here.

I still have my 5000 along with a 6300 and I use both.

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I'll pay shipping plus $100.
Rick
W2JAZ
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Nice try, but I think Sammamish kids have enough toys, or rich parents to donate them.  I lived in the Seattle area for a while.

Maybe if it was impoverished club in Detroit.  But not in posh Sammamish.
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I think the wind is blowing from Westport. Is this eBay now? :-)


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Rick

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If you want to sell it post a price you are looking for.
Rick
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Ill donate it to the club here in Okeechobee florida and also pay the shipping
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Your radio is probably worth about $2600 on the used radio market. That assumes it is in good working order. Seems to me that's no worse than a car you buy and driver for a few years. You also get the added bonus that cutting edge technology gets cheaper quick. This means that you can buy a new 6300 for little more than you can sell your used 5000. There aren't many new purchases that would allow that.

I don't know what has motivated you to attack Flex like this. Are you also after Sony for your television that isn't worth what you paid for it three years ago?

Move on!

DIslike!

Jon...kf2e
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Jon -- thanks for the realistic market value.   I'm not attacking Flex.  Just stirring the pot a little for the 5000.   I really love my 5000, but really would like to upgrade to a 6700 without having to go outside Flex and paying the full price, when I have a perfectly good trade.
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Guys if there is a real not-for-profit that can provide a real, legit tax donation form to me, I'd go for it.   A tax deduction is as good as cash.
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I suggest we just stop the thread here. Not what the  design and intent is for this site.
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Bradley Feldman

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Ha ha Jon, you took the bait.    What's wrong with having a 7 call?
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It just sounds like sour grapes from the OP as he never had a chance to use it. Had he, he would have loved it. Where is the kill/troll filter on this forum?
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Instead of talking about scraping the radio just list it on one of the ham radio selling sites and see what you get.  Come on now stop whining.
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Paul Mills

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The 5000 is still better than new models as the software is still better. Quit crying!!
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Thanks folks.

I really wanted to get some valuable feedback from the community, thus the "bait" I hung out there with the lead post.  I'm the furthest thing from a whiner.   You guys certainly took the bait quickly.  Thanks.

I know the Flex-5000a (fully loaded) is not junk, but I wish Flex would consider a trade-in program for a credit towards a 6000 series.   It will not yield the same price as listing on eHam, but it would be a win-win for the customers and Flex.   

I'd think it'd be a break-even for Flex at worst.   Think of the value of the goodwill it would provide to the company and the community.   Plus lighten the support issues for Flex.   It'd guess the 5000's (3000's and 1500's)  are much more support cost intensive than the 6000's.  That'd be gone for the most part and Flex would have everyone embracing the 6000's.

Might even set an example for other manufacturers.

Whatd'ya say Gerald?   Have you guys run any projections?
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Geez, all that praise about the 6000's -- I had to stir the pot a little.....
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Charlie

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Why? Just makes you look silly.
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Nah, look at all the posts.   Look at what it brought out of the woodwork!

It was a fun discussion and it might actually get Flex to think about it, even a little bit.   I'll bet I could build a financial model that would prove it to be a win-win for them.

If you don't ask, you don't get.....but you have to be brave enough to ask. 

Gerald?   Gerald?
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Bradley you are a Troll.  Period.

If you have a commercial discussion for FRS you could have done it privately for yourself - instead you went Troll.  You should be ashamed, but of course as a self-justifying Troll you aren't.

My advice to anyone dealing with a person like you is always this:

"Those of us who have had to moderate and sysop know there are a few truisms that are absolutes.

A Troll is a Troll, period.  No Excuses, No Higher Good Justification, as a Troll is always a Troll.

Like dog poo where there is no clean end to pick it up, a Troll and Their Threads are toxic, make the place smell if you don't clean it up, and by cleaning one means agressive and decisively.  Delete Troll Threads and Cut off without discussion the Troll.  Cancel their ticket into your world.

Agressive Trolls require non-public Agressive Responses.  Get a court order if needed.  If they spawn additional identities clamp your system down to moderate everything - new users, new posts, comments/replies.

Never enter into private email discussions with a Troll, unless by doing so you can keep them occupied or need to do so to ID the troll.

Never retaliate, never engage Trolls - there is no way to handle a Troll or Troll thread without getting "soiled" yourself. 

Ignore them, ignore them, ignore them.

If there is a commercial link with a Troll, sever it.  If one could happen, don't sell to them - ever.  They have shown up front they will be a "bad customer" - in the Gold/Silver/Bronze segmentation of customer types they have already self-selected "lead" as their customer segment - the ones who will drag you down and are best to lose to your competitors.  Let them deal with the Troll.

Exhibit benevolant ownership's perogative and polietly ignore any regular user expressive sympathy to a Troll.  They can go pay for their own site/forum/BBS/system/servers if they want to hang with a Troll.

Don't bother trying to analyse why someone Trolls online.  Unless you know them personally in a real eyeball-to-eyeball contact sort of way, you can never really tell.

Never forget the Golden Rule, but also don't take any crap.

And of course the good old maxium - nothing is absolute, as "it depends" is the respons to the shades of gray most human interactions have.  Adapt and hold to principles, but not so slavishly that your become inhuman and unfeeling in the process.

So in the end, delete the Troll, delete their Troll droppings (posts and threads), and never sell to them if you can. "

Email me if you really want to sell your 5000, as another brand of radio deserves you as their customer.

73 (yes, even to you, a Troll),

Steve

K9ZW




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Hi Steve, I agree with you 100%, but one person's trolling is another's firmly expressed view. Too may sysops have their forums so sanitised that they are boring. OTOH, the OP is a Troll.
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Could not disagree with you more Guy, as a Troll is a Troll is a Troll.

They are also not amusing or engaging.    Better boring that Troll Infested.

There are lots of great Troll Havens, but they don't play their games there because they are only happy if they bother others.

As they say, do you know "Why do Trolls smell bad?  It is so the bling can hate them too!"

No half ways on dealing with Trolls.

73

Steve

K9ZW

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Steve:

Get a life or get back on the radio.   You're a lid.
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I'm good on QRZ. Send it to me. I will even pay shipping once it arrives.
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Ernest - W4EG

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BF not only looks silly but STUPID...


Why is this thread still open.   I have seeing better threat than this and it was close after several comments.

Tim.... where are you... is almost 11AM PDST....

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Ernest:   Stupid is as stupid does, you ingrate.

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