Windows 7 to windows 10

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I am about to upgrade my computer. Should upgrade to windows 10 , pro or home edition.? I have read a lot problems with windows 10 and flex , can I get some suggestions , procedures ideas , , I have a flex 6300 with 2.61 software. What is everyone using for operating systems
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I have standardized on Windows 10 for my various PCs and there are days I regret it.  The main headache is that a handful of Windows updates screwup/rename the DAX drivers.  There is a procedure for manually renaming them, which is painful, but I successfully did it once.  The other problems don't seem nearly as bad.

I would seriously consider keeping your current PC on Windows 7 dedicated to the Flex and buy a new computer for your other uses.  If you run a free program like TightVNC or TeamViewer, you don't even have to have a display hooked up to your old PC.

Can you manage Windows 10?  Many of us do.  But if I had the choice you did, I would seriously consider leaving a dedicated machine running the Flex software on Win7.  Less trouble.

If I did install Windows 10 on a new machine running SmartSDR, I would take a screen capture of my audio drivers after it was up and running.  This will be your "guidepost" for renaming them back to what they really are if Windows decides to screw them up again.
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Windows 7 goes end of life in January. I would not waste time and effort installing and configuring an OS that won't have security updates.

As for Pro vs Home? I doubt for most people it makes a difference. Unless you are a power user you probably won't notice a difference.

Good luck!
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Bob Craig, K8RC

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With Windows 7 end of support in January 2020, I would not recommend running Windows 7 on any computer connected to the Internet.
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How do I do a screen shot of my drivers ?
Wouldn’t a fresh install of smart sdr 2.6 be easier ?
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I'd say that Windows 7 is the best way to go. It's difficult to argue that Windows 10 is secure - it has security updates all the time. In addition, ad-blocking and script blocking is  a better  security measure than anything you can do to secure a system with updates.

This is my own opinion, and not necessarily that of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
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Hi Nick

I did all my computers to Windows 10 Pro and never looked back for many reasons.  Yes, PRO does cost a bit more, but considering the investment in the hobby, this is well worth the expense.

Mike va3mw

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Michael N3LI

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I would suggest W10 Enterprise edition, and block updates until you can install them at your convenience, not Microsoft's non-consensual model.
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I have never found a significant difference between Home and Pro.  But the price difference is minor.  If you find a PC you otherwise like, I would not make a home/pro distinction a deal breaker.
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I have had ZERO issues with Windows 10 and Flex SSDR upgrades.. Some have had issues,, but I feel a laptop can and should be dedicated to ham radio functions. That is dont load a laptop with all kinds of non essential things, especially Games... On my laptop is has only Ham Radio related items on it... Just keeps things running smooth.. 
BUT!!! Others have just a single laptop for every function they may need, and have no issues at all.. As for Windows 10, it is what it is, and is now the defector standard.. I agree with the PRO comment made by Mike,, especially if this computer will be the main work horse for every function, Ham, eMail, Software for test equipment, etc. etc. 

Robert
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To address the main question, Windows 10 Pro does offer a useful advantage over Home in our context. Pro offers the ability to exercise greater control over when/if updates occur so you can postpone the chaos until after the contest weekend or DXpedition is over. 
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Running Win10 Pro with no issues for years. Flex SSDR and other ham software packages run well on it.  One big advantage with Win10 Pro is that you can connect remotely to your PC.  You cant do that with Win10 Home. 
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Do Win 10 Pro x64, Don't do enterprise unless you are a business installing on MULTIPLE computers. As far as UPDATES I just let them install. If a nasty comes along you can roll the offender back off. BUT don't ever completely block updates.  You can delay them with just a mouse click.  Those who say stay away from 10 are not computer people.  You should WANT to know about your operating system.  The computer IS a tool, and you should know how to use your tools and how to keep them maintained.  PRO has features someday you may need as JOE N3HEE just mentioned one...

IF you really want a professional like computer turn Cortana off...  That takes getting into your configuration tools that HOME doesn't have (and has features enterprise doesn't have)

I've had pro running stable with only 2gb (one stick of ram)  in a computer here...  It finally died of old age.

My Ancient laptop only has 4gb and is running a free version of HOME as its on WINDOWS Insider...  and has the absolute latest.  Everybody has their limits, don't be afraid to learn new stuff.

Erika DD
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I would have to counter what Mike said above.

My MACbook Pro Retina ($2200 US$ new when I got it in July 2017) that I use for work (sales) is by far the most problematic Computer I have ever used.  By far.  Last Monday you all almost saw a video of me running it over with the truck.  But, I refrained as it does not belong to me and my boss would have been very unhappy with me.  :)  

  • Some days apps start but disappear not be found on the MAC desktop
  • Some days sleep works correctly and some days the battery just dies (new battery installed - no difference) $300
  • Some days the camera disappears - I have to reset the NVRAM to get it back - hardware call $300 to check
  • Thunderbolt port failed - twice.  Apple wants $1400 to replaced the motherboard.  My 'guy' charged me $350 to repair it (he is amazing)
  • Some days there are no sound devices, some days there are
I am equally well versed in using all desktops, Windows, MAC and Linux.  I use then all every day.  However, I would not drink the Koolaid that says that Mac is better.  It is just different and has its own set of issues.

By far, my most stable Desktop and Laptop is my Windows 10 Pro.  The only issues I sometimes have are related to Greenshot not always working.

I am on my radio every day, and not just for work, but for play.   There is no way I would go back to Win 7 or 8.  10 is certainly more efficient.

I run Win 10 Pro on my remote base.  It goes MONTHS without being touched (all winter).  I don't hack at it, I just use it the way it came with the software I need and the AV that Microsoft provides.  I turn off the firewall and beyond that, I leave it alone.  I even do software updates.  BAM.  99.9% uptime (if not more).  :)

If you are watching on the side here and trying to make an informed decision, just remember, 90% more people complain online than say it is working fine for me.  Whatever you read, divide by a factor of 10 or so.  Maybe more.  And, if you don't believe me, look at your past posting (on anything) over the past years.  What did you do?

73 all and do what works for you.  :)

Mike va3mw
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After all of this conversation about Win 10 I have decided that I should try it. However, what do I buy? My PC and my laptop both run win 7 at present. Do I spend $150+ for a version of W10 that may not work because of the age of the MOBO or do I just bite the bullet and buy a new PC for the shack?
Question, What are the basic requirements for a computer that will run Win 10 and not have problems with DAX, CAT and the many other things that it will be used for?
This is not a top priority at this time but I sure would like know what to shop for.
Thanks for any and all suggestions.
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I'll just bow out of the conversation here, and let more knowledgable people steer you in the right direction Andy. Sorry if I have confused the issue.
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I am doing all the updates  for win 10 64 bit ,  upgraded my memory  to 16 gb , AMD dual , 2.6 ghz  . then i am installing SmartSDR  etc .  and live wildly . 
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You can still upgrade to Windows 10 for free.  Whether you get pro or home depends on what version Windows 7 is.  But, you can upgrade it with 10 and you will get a free digital license for that version.  Then, if you want to do a fresh install, just wipe the machine and do the 10 install, it will still be licensed.  Of course if you have home and want pro then you will have to pony up for that upgrade.
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I'm staying where I am, win 7 and v2.4.9. Too much negativity on the community for me to even want to try anything else. 

Andy...W3LI 
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Andy,

I think the general consensus here was positive towards Win 10. 

Also remember that extended support for Win7 ends 1/14/2020.  This means no more updates or security patches from Microsoft.  I would strongly suggest moving to Win 10 when you feel you are ready. 

Another benefit of Win 10 is that it is optimized for slower hardware found in mobile devices.  I noticed a fairly big improvement in performance when I moved to Win10 on my existing hardware. Especially my 7 year old laptop !  It's usable again :)
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TNX 4 ur reply. I looked at ur QRZ page, very nice.
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Go with Windows 10 Pro. Better options to delay updates.
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Windows 10 pro
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Some motherboards can not run Win10 & DAX reliably. If you do not use DAX then no problem.
If using DAX then you have to see if your PC can run DAX reliably.
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So Bill how do I know if my motherboard will run Win 10 and Dax? Getting more complicated with each post.
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Just for the record, I have been using a first generation i7 from 2009 with no problems...Oh, and running Windows 10
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But this does bring up a good point. I read in other post were some people are having so many problems, audio drop outs using PC speaker, constant BSoD screens, and all the others. But these problems do not effect most users. For most, none of these problems ever happen. So, could it be a disconnect with certain mother boards, shipsets and DAX? with Win 10??  If not every customer would have the same problems. We all use 6000 radios, the software installs just the same in each radio, but understanding there are some differences betwwen lets say a V2 update to a V3 update. But every radio using V3 should have all the same problems. And all radios on V2 should all have the same problems, but they don't,,,WHY.?
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The motherboard in my PC is an Intel DP55WB with no issues.
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There are literally hundreds if not thousands of different combinations of hardware and software installed on Flex users computers.  Inel CPU's, AMD CPU's, different RAM manufactures, hard to tell what combo causes issues.  I run an old ASROCK  Z97 Extreme 4 (Intel i7)  mobo from 2014 with no issues with SSDR, DAX, etc. 

Does Flex have a diagnostic tool that can gather log data from SSDR problems or a BSOD crash ?

Microsoft has a tool to analyze a BSOD.

Perhaps we can get a handle of what causes some of these problems by examining users PC event logs ?
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Hi Joe - at one time I tried to get a database going from the event logs, but no one was interested. 
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OK OK OK!!!! All this windows 10 talk has convinced me to upgrade my computer system! Hate to let it go!!!! My 6600M liked it a lot, I think they fell in love!! :-)  Robert


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Commy 64 in excellent shape!
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Resistance is futile 
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Souping up that Commodore to maybe Admiral might save you a few bucks on the light bill...  About 1995 we moved our consulting business into a new space, a WHOLE FLOOR of one of our clients office buildings...  Left by a past office space occupant was a PAIR of all in one originalesk complete 1981 dated IBM PS2's w/boxes. Between Gigs, I setup the pair of dinosaurs to see if they worked, or burst into flames...  Low and behold one of the two had a BASIC O/S ROM installed as its only operating system.  Probably a leftover from a computer school.

Recalling BASIC from HS I managed to program a simple BOMB countdown program...  Left it on the outer reception desk pointing out...  When the Building Owner dropped in to see if I was getting settled, he looked shocked and worried asked,  WHAT IS THIS?  OH I found this in the power/phone room on the floor and just plugged it in and got busy with something else.  HUM, I donno what this is but I have a previous appointment I have to head out...  It was pretty obvious what it was doing...  In modern times post 911 I'd have the Bomb Squad, ATF, LOCAL PD, FD, and probably the Highway Patrol PLUS a couple UBER drivers waiting with the engines running for someone to return...

After the initial testing both were put back in the utility room and forgotten once again.  EXCEPT the pair of SARATOGA keyboards... They went into instant use and one was utilized at home in the shack for a couple decades...  I wish they still made those things, but I haven't had a wired keyboard since...

Unfortunately there was so much gear to move when we were bought out by our largest client in 1999 and moved into a whole floor of their building... The two old mint IBM's didn't make the trip across town.  There's got to be somebody who'd pay BIG BUCKS for those two units.  Inside I believe there was like one whole open micro channel bus slot... Micro Channel there was Big Blues downfall.

Erika DD



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Here ya go - still running in an auto shop
Sauce - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oP_eHam2cOA
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Here goes my two cents.

I've been waiting for the DAX Win10 issue to get resolved before I changed to Win10 from my trusty Win7 pro machine. It's an AMD Athlon II I built from scratch 8 or 9 years ago.

I decided to replace it with a 4h gen I7 HP G1 Win10 Elit Desk refurb. I also made sure it has Win10 Pro. In Win7Pro there were differences such as being able to back up the C drive to my WD Cloud drive among others so I figured Win10 would be in that vein as well.


I also upgraded to Version 3 SSDR specifically for this machine another asside is my purchase of a Stream Deck keypad that only works with Win10 not 7.

Also have a new SPE 2KFA waiting to goin line.

Couldn't wait on the PGXL ad the money is here now and I am going part time in Dec after 32 yesrs, I think it'll be a great retirement amp / present to myself. Thank God for my xyl!!! "She's a ham too"


Multiclient is what I've been ultimately waiting for and now we have finally arrived! Yay!!!


I am in the process of installing everything, did the CAT assignments last night next is setting up N1MM, MMTTY etc etc, etc so I may have a few questions in the coming days on some of those choices.


Compares to the AMS this is a dream.

Excellent refurb. Am very happy with my purchase.


Clay N9IO
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Just a bit off topic, Question.. It is my understanding that Smart SDR along with Slice Master or Stacker will show SPOTS on your laptop computer screen... Got That and it works fine... 
But a few months back I was reading about that the 6600M screen itself can in fact also show SPOTS on its screen???? I dont think this is true, but wanted to ask the group if that is or isn't true???

Thanks
Robert
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Looks good after I made some adjustments to the font size and positions..

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SO one more question to all you smart people.. What do I need to do when I am on the air so that my call sign will show up in the remote stations spot list? If I am running SSDR in the background like I am, and I TX the radio from the radio itself, does Stackers know who I am and will also know that I am transmitting on say 14.325, and Auto Send my call and frequency to the SPOT Server and that is it??? Seems like the way it would work??
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Robert Lonn

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Anyone can answer my question here????
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Geoff - AB6BT

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The spots are pulled from an Internet source so someone would have to spot you.
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Robert Lonn

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I am not quite sure what you mean Geoff...Are you saying someone who is also using spots, would have to place their VFO on my signal??
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Thank you for all the Information , I think i have some ideas . lets end this question for today :) 
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Nick, I'm one of the followers of this thread and have been doing so with interest as I am in the same boat. Do I upgrade my working Win7 to 10 or not? Thanks for bringing the issue up and I appreciate the replies from the others about this. From time to time I see offers for a free Win10 upgrade from earlier versions. Don't know if it still holds true but if you decide to take the leap you may wish to google that. Good luck with it.
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I did purchase the software $35 at place called appsuite .  Free you get what you pay for my just my idea. I will be a Pacficon  San ramon  at the flex booth for 16 hours straight :) Lookout flex :) 
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Robert - I have chased this to the bottom and all I can say is all the above is true. Some have issues with upgrades in W10, some don't (that includes me), some have W10 Home some Pro, some have very old stuff, some very new.  The one thing for sure I would do is make an image of what you have now and put it away.  Then no matter what you do or what goes wrong, you have a for sure place to go back to. I use Macrium before any updates.  Side note about W10 Updates.  You do have some control on when it updates, but you do have to update.
GL 73
Ken