Windows 10 - Monthly Charges?

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So, Windows 7 is looking better to me after several credible
media outlets confirmed on Friday that Microsoft will be rolling out a program,
called “managed desktop” that will have you paying a monthly fee to use Windows 10.  According to the report, MS had “no comment”. It’s no surprise as Adobe is already doing it wit their software such as Photoshop and Lightroom. When Windows 10 was offered “free”, I kept saying there are no free lunches.

It’s too bad that FRS doesn’t have a Mac client – this would certainly motivate me to jump ship.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2018/08/04/microsoft-windows-10-subscription-cost-price-upgrade-update-windows-7-8/#3f64bb8e72c1






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Bob G W1GLV

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Thank god that we have DogparkSDR to use. I can't come to grips for paying good money to use Windows10.
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Between dogparkSDR and SmartSDR for IOS, I only need Windows (or is that WinBlows) to do a s/w update. All the digital modes I want to run, I can run on a Mac. I will admit that Macs are not for everyone, and there are a number of excellent pieces of amateur radio software that only run on Windows, but I choose not to use them. I choose to use MacOS and Unix operating systems and not Microsoft operating systems, but that is a personal choice after using Unix since 1980.
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Thanks for that link Jim, I too labored under that misconception...  Appreciate it...
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Michael Coslo

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Gentlemen that's an opinion piece. Surface as a service already exists. This is probably a test market for what is going to happen.
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Interesting, but I find MS's "no comment" after it was discovered to be very suspicious. I still have my Windows 7 machine, so for now I'm not worrying.
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Actually, I think I will just keep my Win 7 off internet and use it for a long time to come. I use Linux for my main desktop that I do everything on.
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Richard McClelland, AA5S

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I saw a follow-up article to this announcement that suggested that managed desktop services will be primarily marketed to business users.  The same article said that retail users will eventually be asked to join the managed desktop party but that won't be for the foreseeable future. 
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^^this announcement that suggested that managed desktop services will be primarily marketed to business users. ^^
Thats the way I understand it too.
It knocks out the middle man sort of for Microsoft to  make even more money maybe the way I see it. (Managed is the keyword). Individual computer systems are un-managed.
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But if Surface as a service works, what would stop Microsoft from expanding into the rest of their market. I think some folks are going to be surprised as Microsoft heads toward the Chromebook model, only pay by the month.
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Michael, read down further where  others and I posted what its really all about, The surface as a Service is just that It is geared for those who cant afford to get a Surface right off the bat and don't want to deal with maintaining updates , it sold as a service you get the surface and the plan its geared to students and business, the individual user will have the option of standalone as is now or buying the service if they want no one is forcing it down your throat.  https://www.howtogeek.com/360938/no-microsoft-isnt-turning-windows-10-into-a-paid-subscription-service/
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Well, I suppose that the Windows/Mac OS and general product "wars" may go on forever.  I'd rather not pay a monthly fee for something I've always gotten for free.  Just to balance the discussion though, I'd like to ask "How much are people paying to use Mac OS or IOS for that matter?"  One can buy an entry level Windows laptop for under $200 that comes with Windows 10.  An entry level Mac laptop runs in excess of $1000 (correct me if I'm wrong).  Also, I just updated my $100 Android phone (after 3 years) to a 2018 model costing $229.  It has a  6.2 inch1080/HD display, 3 GB RAM, 32 GB memory, etc. and is plenty fast/smooth for me.  The closest "new" iPhone was an iPhone 6S Plus for $399 and that model/technology was 4 years old.  

I've heard all the arguments that "Mac/iPhones are easier to use."  For several years, I ran a Mac/PC lab in which (among other things) we tested user productivity doing identical tasks on Macs and PCs.  The only conclusion we reached was basically "whatever you were familiar with is what you were more productive on."  I do get the part about the Mac/IOS "ecosystem" being more integrated so that if a real estate agent takes a picture on his/her iPhone, it is filed and more easily found on the desktop or server.  How many of us need that.  Is it worth 4-5 times the price of a phone?

Believe me, I don't want to pay an additional fee to use Windows 10.  Facebook has been threatening to charge a monthly fee for several years and apparently have reached the conclusion that it could seriously injure their business model.  If a monthly fee was imposed, I might consider moving back to an older OS.  My point is "is it that big a deal?"  I doubt that FRS would consider investing in a client (SSDR) for 11% of the world's desktops.  What would Apple charge for an embedded OS to run on the Maestro, if they'd even consider licensing it.  Bottom line for me is that despite it's warts and wrinkles, SSDR for Windows will probably remain the primary desktop client.  To me, the "prestige" of owning Apple products is not worth the 4-5 X upcharge.  again, what is the monthly cost of using Mac OS or IOS.  It is built in there someplace!

I guess we all pay our money and make our choice.
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my experience with win10 is that it's very susceptible to crashing. The OS has grown too complicated to manage. On he other hand, MAC OSX is very reliable. I've owned a Mac for about ten years and never had a stitch of a problem with it. I've spent a ton of money trying to find a reliable way to backup and restore a Windows system, it can't be done. Mac OSX time machine does it seemlessly.
That's my take on these two OS's.
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Obviously, you haven't spent much time with Windows OSes.  There are at least a dozen, if not a lot more, imaging systems that will make a complete image of your entire hard drive, and provide means to restore those images, either in part or in whole on a daily (or even more often) basis.  Of course, hardware backup (think hard drives) is also available via RAID systems, available in either hardware based (motherboard) or software based versions - these only cover actual hardware failures of disk drives.  I won't fully defend the recent Windows 10 problems, but to insinuate that Macs are problem free is not correct.  I have a friend who has had Macs for years and he's had his share of problems with them (though not as frequently as Windows machines).  Why do they they sell malware protection software for Macs?  Users who fail to make backups of ANY machine/OS are taking a great risk of losing everything on their systems - it WILL eventually happen!
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I enjoy similar reliability on my computers. The only difference is that all six of them are Windows 10.

I reboot my main desktop on occasion but it usually runs for weeks without any difficulty.

My repeater machine runs Wires X & has been running 24/7 for the last six months.

The free version of Macrium Reflect images & restores my C drive without any problem but only in tests as I've never had a failure requiring a restore. Only when I upgraded to solid state drives on a couple of machines several years ago.
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Me too.  WE have 5 PCs running Windows 10 here in Michigan and a few more in Florida.  They just run...  occasionally update and then...  just run.  I think I've had precisely one BSOD on all our machines wince Windows 10 was implemented.  Beginners luck?
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Very odd - same story here. We have 4 Win10 machines here and we've never had to fuss or restart any of them. Although we do have a pretty decent dual-DSL setup here.

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Jim, WQ2H
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My Win 10 machine is dedicated to my 6500, and it's very reliable. Yes, I've had some DAX issues that occurred after a Windows update but after it happens once you know how to get it back up without too much problems. I don't have a ton of software loaded on it which might be contributing to the reliability. I suspect many problems that people report might be software related, especially if the software was not written recently or hasn't been updated. WE should not have to have a dedicated PC, but when it's possible it makes life much easier.
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I just received this article today. It addresses the whole "Windows as a Subscription" chaos.  Windows), the "as a subscription" model does not apply to home users. It only applies to enterprise clients, and only to those who purchase into that licensing model. Check out this article from a fairly reliable source, How-To-Geek.com:

https://www.howtogeek.com/360938/no-microsoft-isnt-turning-windows-10-into-a-paid-subscription-service/

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Yes Richard, If Microsoft forces this on it’s basic retail customers they will force many users not to upgrade or to move to other OS’s like macOS or even create a greater demand for Linux. Either way it wont be good for Microsoft's hold on the PC market so I doubt this will happen in the retail space. 

Now enterprise users are a whole other thing as they have very special support needs such as specific hardware and software support like banking machines, POS terminals, government, aerospace and so on so they are the most likely to use this payment plan.
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If you like your OS, you can keep your OS.....

If you like your plan, you can keep your plan....


It appears Microsoft is trying to break into the business support business.
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Agree.  For roughly $50 a pop, I had purchased Office licenses on disc or download for each computer I added or replaced.  Often, I could reuse old licenses.  MS has tightened up on "reuse" a bit, which I understand  Since I own 8 computers, I find it easier to pay $99/year for Office 365.  That gives me up to 10 installs, I can officially transfer licenses as I replace hardware and it entitles me to phone support if I need it.  I also always have the latest version which, as a retiree, doesn't make a big difference but hey, it's a perk.
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When everyone bought their computer there is a built in fee you paid for it.

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Thats basically a users fee if you read the fine print you dont buy the software you are paying to use it and ms owns the software not you.
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Looks like they plan on having windows 10 for more years than i thought.
So we are in for a wild ride!

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/13853/windows-lifecycle-fact-sheet
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RELAX !!  Microsoft Managed Desktop will only apply to business users and it will be an option.  I have had zero issues with my Win 10 machines.  They run 24/7 and are rock solid.  Most issues are related to hardware.  I had a bad stick of RAM and the machine crashed every other day.  If your machine is crashing often then please run a memory check and start looking at your hardware.  
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I remotely manage a couple hundred windows 10 machines thru my IT business and if there setup correctly there stable and work well.  The media is also blowing HYPE into the MS as a service platform, It is geared toward medium - larger scaled business with many systems, not home or small account users, although they can or could if they wanted sign up for it. 

Once again, sensationalist clickbait is claiming Microsoft will soon require a subscription fee to “rent” your Windows operating system. This just isn’t true. Microsoft’s “desktop as a service” plan is only for businesses, and it also includes hardware—not just software.

Here’s What “Microsoft Managed Desktop” Actually Is

This particular round of misinformation was inspired by a new subscription service named “Microsoft Managed Desktop.” One particularly misleading article by Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols over at Computer World says Microsoft is “getting ready to replace Windows 10 with the Microsoft Managed Desktop.” But that’s not true at all.

“Microsoft Managed Desktop” is subscription service for businesses, and it includes the Windows 10 operating system. It doesn’t “replace” Windows 10 at all.

Microsoft Managed Desktop will be a single monthly fee that lets a business lease a physical PC that’s automatically provisioned (set up) for that business. This PC will run Windows 10 and Microsoft will keep the operating system up to date and ensure those updates don’t cause problems.

Again: This is an optional subscription service for businesses that includes a lease of physical PC hardware, which happens to be running Windows 10. Those businesses aren’t just paying for software.

You probably don’t want this at home, but businesses can pay a single monthly fee to get a fleet of PCs and have Microsoft manage them. The business doesn’t need a big IT department. It doesn’t even need to sink a bunch of money into purchasing PC hardware up front, either.

Read the real information and stop being paranoid!

 https://www.howtogeek.com/360938/no-microsoft-isnt-turning-windows-10-into-a-paid-subscription-service/
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It's interesting how the media spins this into an almost anti-consumer announcement. Now, I almost feel guilty that I started this thread!
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I manage about 2 dozen Windows 10 PCs for my church, friends and family, and myself.  Nearly all of them run without any problems (except my own desktop which has been modified to a great extent, therefore the reason for the problems I would assume).  So my experience with Windows 10 has been fairly good.

N8SDR makes some good points regarding Windows as a Service.  It's highly unlikely that private, individual users will be switched to a subscription model for one simple reason:  Microsoft uses you as guinea pigs to test the various updates that they constantly push out.  This is why individual PCs are on a "Targeted" Semi-Annual channel for major updates (think Spring and Fall), while business users are on the "Non-Targeted" Semi-Annual, meaning they get their updates only after MS has proven that changes presented to those more often (Targeted) are then suitable and stable enough for the business community.  Some folks son't like that, but it is the way MS wants to ferret out problems, and for the most part it seems to be working well, save for some folks who get burned by poorly designed OS changes - but they do fix them fairly quickly.

Windows is a completely different world from the fixed hardware world of Mac OS.  For the ability to operate on a myriad of different hardware and at a much lower cost overall, Windows has to deal with more and different growing pains than other operating systems.  It still commands nearly 75% of the overall desktop OS market.