When are we going to get wlan

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As the title,when are we going to get WLAN
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Tony Hateley

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With the advent of the Remote feature in SSDR over 1 year ago, Flex 6k users have been able to use their flex from anywhere on the LAN, including WLAN. 

I'm going out on a limb and guessing however that you meant WAN...
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As promised - when the SSDR 2.0 software is ready and stable, with security and reliability. Access via VPN works today (I'm doing it now).
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Yeah when i bought my 6500 last November i was told 2.0 would be released first quarter of 2017, by the salesman i ordered from. That came and went. Thank heavens for Softether. I migrated from Remoterigs and a TS-480HX to the Flex platform as 90% of my operation is while commuting to and from work or away from the shack, in the house. Been very happy. Best rig ive ever owned. At this point, with Softether working, i dont see 2.0 being such a big deal anymore.
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A:  With SmartSDR Version 2.x

Natural follow-up Q: When do we get SmartSDR v2.x?

Already known follow-up A:  When it is ready AND when marketing timing are optimal for release.

Writing now in early April 2017, what anyone's crystal ball or armchair prediction suggests for a hard date for SmartSDR v2.x is just a guess.  FRS will release when FRS decides it is ready and right.

I'd rather they hold until ready, than have a radio that emulates my recent car experience at 3200 miles where the SUV's computer needed an update as it had become an inert big lump of metal & leather.



Missed some appointments and had to send others ahead by cab because the product was released before sorted out.  BTW it only took a couple hours, mostly waiting for the service responder to physically get to me, but at 20-30 times the cost of a Flex-6x00 I didn't expect a "lawn ornament" out of a SUV.

"Soon Come" as they say on the Islands..... "Soon Come" but not before it's good and ready!

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Steve K9ZW 

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Steve - It looks like they also installed the steering wheel on the wrong side of the vehicle. 
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Steve K9ZW, Elmer

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We've family homes in the UK, and this was in Gloucestershire.  Lovely motorcar with a rail-injected twin-turbo 3.0L V6 diesel built by PSA (Peugeot/Citroen) for Rover (which technically is owned by an Indian parent).  Enough fun driving it that I am a bit concerned about camera invoices showing up.....

My Suburbans here have been LHD, and don't go as well until you chip & tune them.

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Steve K9ZW


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You can use the iOS app from anywhere by exposing the flex via your internet router, right? It doesn't look like it needs to do discovery since you can configure the IP of the radio?

And if not, or if you don't want to use iOS, the vpn stuff is pretty solid. So what part of "WAN" are "we" waiting for?
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Ria - N2RJ, Elmer

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Exposing the IP to the world has its own issues. Anyone can connect to your radio and transmit using your radio and antennas. I don't want that kind of liability which is why I use a VPN. 
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True. Even if there was a user/password on it I still wouldn't want to expose it. That's why I'm not understanding what "when are we going to get WAN" means. VPN is a nice and secure solution here. 
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And Ria, on a similar vein...are you leaving your radio powered on and connected to antennas all the time? Or are you using some other remote antenna controller and AC power controller?
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My radio is on all the time. I have an Arduino based control for power turn off/cycle except for the amp which is on a 240v circuit. I have to figure out something for that. However it can be "turned off" via USB.

I never disconnect antennas. That would leave me vulnerable to lightning strikes and such. 
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personally, I am hoping for more efficient bandwidth use and lower latency between home (Maestro) and remote with WAN.
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Ria - N2RJ, Elmer

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Nobody knows. Flex dev team probably knows but we don't even know that. "It'll be ready when it's ready." 
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Reggie

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Ria,

How do you control DDUTIL remotely?

73,

Reggie


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Ria - N2RJ, Elmer

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Vnc but my need for DDUtil is now greatly reduced.
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Reggie

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Thanks.
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Yes, it will be ready when it's ready. Don 't forget the initial delivery date was 1/2016.
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Steve K9ZW, Elmer

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Wasn't that based on a Roadmap that has not been updated in several years?

Tim W4TME Official Response  from two years ago:      

At this time, we have decided not to publish a feature roadmap so one is not available for download.

https://community.flexradio.com/flexradio/topics/where-is-the-current-flex-roadmap-i-see-all-kinds-o...

With the last Roadmap Updates in 2014/15 bringing those dates up in 2017 discussion really stretches relevancy, but does point out that once on the internet information lives on, sometimes becoming misinformation in the process.

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Steve K9ZW

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you mean like when you make commitments that you can't keep and then you really wish you could erase the memory of the internet?
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There is a huge difference between a "forecast" and a "commitment " which a troglodyte wedge of fellow users and external hecklers ignored.

This is why the public sharing of SmartSDR roadmaps were ended.

Cherry picking from openly discounted and obsolete information artifacts is not research or holding anyone to account, as its intent is trouble making. Period.

Plus no amount of juvenile whining and bitching is going to change what is.

My personal forecast is v2 is close, and if all goes well would be part of the Hamvention 2017 new offerings.

I don't expect FRS to even respond to my guess, and if I really knew I wouldn't steal their thunder.

I didn't have an SDR-1000 and added a Flex-5000A from their second production run as I hadn't saved up for the first run.

It has been an amazing enjoyment to my ham radio time, and while eager & impatient as the next for v2, I certainly would not replace my FRS radios in my shack due to the wait.

Cheers and 73,

Steve
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I don't expect FRS to even respond to my guess...

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(isn't the Dayton Hamvention always synonymous with surprises?)
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Could not have said it better myself Steve.

People seem to forget that getting WAN to work is not as easy as switching it on and releasing it to the masses.

There are many things to consider both on the technical and customer experience side. In my own personal experience with these VPN setups for flex radios and other usage, ISPs can pose a challenge. There is also backend infrastructure to build out with any WAN solution. Granted the latter is much easier today with on demand pay as you go cloud computing like AWS and azure but it's not a simple as flipping a switch or even running my script on your raspberry pi (which you can do TODAY to access your radio remotely).

But I've encountered openly hostile ISPs who have carrier grade NAT and who block ports and filter any way to get a VPN connection inbound. These aren't prevalent in the USA for wired carriers but they are for wireless and they are prevalent in some parts of Canada ( Québec)and other countries. So I've had to get creative with solutions for these.

Flex dev team will have to work a solution to all of this AND they have to manage bandwidth so that audio quality doesn't go down the tubes while using minimal bandwidth over dodgy wireless and wired internet connections.

In other words it's a bigger lift than it seems. But I'm confident they've got this.

For now, you can use a VPN. Setup is easy and there are folks here who will help you (time permitting).
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VPN works great for now !
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I seem to remember at the 2016 Dayton Flex dinner that the Engineering Manager at Flex said...."we have a couple things to clean up when we get back from Dayton and then V2 will be our focus and priority."  The words might not be exact but I was sitting right at the front of the room and my hearing is perfect so the meaning is properly quoted here.

The 2017 Dayton Flex dinner is a month away so I guess we will see in a month if other priorities have taken the focus away or there just are not enough resources to deliver on this statement in a one year time frame.

It would not be the first time I was told something would happen and then it did not.  I was told directly at Orlando when the Maestro hardware was being shown with demo units for customers to play with that when it was released in a couple months that it would come with VPN connection capability.  Well it did not and afterwards a posting here by the Engineering Manager explained why.

Just stating a couple facts to balance out the excuses.
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EE101, current flows when there is a potential difference. Disconnecting will create a greater potential difference. Grounding and bonding keeps everything (almost) at the same potential.

Besides, does anyone think that lightning that just travelled a few miles to get to your house is going to suddenly decide to not jump the last few feet?
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Ria is correct.

In fact, going back to Benjamin Franklin and his invention of the lightning rod, Ben's theory to avoid lightning strikes is to keep everything close to ground potential so that the potential difference bleeds off from good grounding.

As Ria said, Disconnecting your antenna causes a potential difference on the antenna

Grounding that antenna theoretically will cause potential differences to bleed off. 

So if you are really concerned about lightning strikes, ground and bond everything so that they are close to ground potential. 


BTW... I live on the coast in Southern California where I have seen lightning no more than once in 30+ years, but I still bond everything to ground. 

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Ria - N2RJ, Elmer

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I live in the hills of NW NJ. Suffered a very near strike a few times. No damage except to a weak icom CI-V Port
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And the surge suppressors that are certainly in your system saved you from the induced voltages and currents.  Nothing is going to save you if you suffer a direct strike.

In the Bay Area, surrounded by hills and a 4000 foot mountain, I figure my real threat is induced volts/currents from a strike on the ridge a few miles to the west.  I have Polyphaser at work on that, and lots of grounding.
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Direct strikes are survivable. NYC buildings are hit all the time. You need cadwelded #00 to   a buried rebar cage. But for most ham grounding, yeah, a direct strike you're likely talking to your insurance agent.