Wemo link for remote powerup/down device

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Need Link for Wemo Device that will work with my 6700 for powerup down using internet
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I use two WeMo Makers. One for the remote power on port of radio and one for turning on the Acom 2000a amp.

I also use a WeMo mini plug to turn the radio power supply on & off.

There are also Internet controllable relays readily available.

The WeMo devices are available on Amazon.

Dave wo2x
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hi, Dave,,but what turns the radio on, without pressing the on button?
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I believe there is an rca connector going to the radio that provides for this. P28 of the 6700 manual
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I see that,,but what does the other end connect to,,this is not explained very well unless I missed it
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Sorry. Been BUSY with friends calling for help :-)
The WeMo Maker has three connections for the relay out. Common, Normally Closed and Normally Open. I run a cable (2 wire) from the Common and Normally Open contacts to the Remote On RCA connector in back of radio. 

In the SmartSDR settings I enable Remote On. Now when the WeMo Maker is in the "On" condition the radio will turn on if there is 13.8 volts applied to the back. Turning the WeMo Maker to Off shuts down the radio. Pretty simple.

If the radio were to hang and get non-responsive (just in case...) I use the WeMo Mini Outlet to turn off the 13.8 volt switching supply feeding the radio.

I set up the WeMo Maker for latching relay operation instead of momentary.

In the WeMo app I named the WeMo Maker for the radio Flex 6500 and I took a picture of the radio and uploaded it to use as an icon.

Dave wo2x
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Dave, what did you have to pay for your WeMo Maker when you purchased it?

I also don't see the Maker listed on the WeMo web site.  Has it been discontinued?
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I bought two well over a year ago. I think they were $50 each from Best Buy (brick and mortar store here)

I just took a quick look online and cannot find any for sale. With that in mind.... Here's an option. Denkovi makes some Ethernet, WiFi, or USB controlled relay boards. They have apps for both Android and Apple to control the relays. I have not used any of the Denkovi products but I do have a USB 8 relay board I never wired up.


Dave wo2x
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Actually price was higher. Think they were around $75 each.

For those that have a Micro Center nearby, check your local Micro Center online for stock. They will not ship, only local store pickup. My Micro Center here in northern NJ is out of stock but Philly, PA has two in stock. So it will be hit or miss.

I may switch over to the Denkovi board and sell my WeMo Makers.

Dave wo2x
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Also, on page 28, section 7.12 of the hardware manual it states "Refer to the SmartSDR documentation for information on how to configure this input."  But what exactly does this refer to?  In the SmartSDR Software Users Guide v2.0.17 I haven't found any reference to configuring this input.  So what SmartSDR documentation are they referencing?
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Start SmartSDR. Go to Settings. In the main tab enable Remote On.

Dave wo2x



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Gotcha!  Thanks!  If that was in the "documentation" I missed it, but the latest edition is over 200 pages.  And now with the picture I think I remember seeing that on the Radio Setup window, just haven't found it in the documentation anywhere.

And by the way I like your "nickname" for your radio!
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:-)
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I'm going to look into the Denkovi products, but just found out my local MicroCenter has 2 (according to web page) available at $79.99.
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This is from amazon is this what you are using?
Belkin WeMo Maker Wireless
Thanks
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Yes. I like them easy to set up and the WeMo app works fine on both Android and iPhone.

Dave wo2x
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Amazon. ca has them in stock Dave.
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Thanks Dave. Might you have a diagram showing how they are connected? Jim
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Wow, just checked on Amazon (for the WeMo Maker) and from Amazon it is not in stock and they don't know if or when it will be available, but they will sell you one from another supplier for $107.00 plus $33.52 shipping!  Now that sounds like a rip off!
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.... or TP-Link HS100
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Don't think the TP-Link HS100 has the "relay" ability to remote switch the Flex on/off.

It will turn a 12v power supply on and off just as the WeMo Mini will.

Am I wrong?
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Sorry - YES your wrong

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Chris, thanks for the quick response, but help me understand how the TP-Link HS100 can be wired to the remote power RCA jack on the back of the FlexRadio.

Yes the HS100 should be able to handle the power requirements of a 12v supply needed to power the Flex, but I didn't see any relay contacts to actuate the remote power feature of the radio.
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Any more information about purchasing a WeMo Maker?  They seem to be out of stock and links to the Belkin site give a 404 error.  While the Belkin site has support information, there seems to be no info about current availability.  I'm questioning if the product is now discontinued.

Chuck, W9WLX  
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Hi Chuck,

I just posted elsewhere in this thread. If you have a Micro Center nearby, check their stock online. http://www.microcenter.com/search/search_results.aspx?Ntt=wemo+maker

Make sure you choose your local Micro Center (along the top of the page). Or if you know someone who lives near a Micro Center that has stock you can always ask them to grab it for you. PayPay Friends and Family payment to send money to your friend would work :-)

Dave wo2x
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Global cache itach ip2cc is another option, it has 3 contact relays on it. Simple home app works well with it.
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What iOS apps work well with the ip2cc?
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The app I use is roomie simple home.
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I originally used 3 WEMO for remote control but I found them to bea bit Flaky. So I have now replaced them with 2 x 8 port digital Logger web Switches

Why? Because I found that i needed far more than 3 ports to control my station and do remote reboots

Plus they have an Internet keep alive which will reboot modems and routers if the internet fails
https://dlidirect.com/products/web-po...



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Luckily my WeMo Makers have been solid.
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Howard, I've had a chance to play with the Digital Logger Webswitch and I like it!  Question I have is control of it from the WAN.  If I put the Webswitch in my DMZ, I have no issue accessing it.  If I put it behind my router firewall, and enable port forwarding, I cannot access it.  I tried forwarding all ports, 1-65535, and still no go.  I tested the port forwarding and it was working.  Turning off the firewall did not enable access either, with and without port forwarding. 

I was using the iOS app, Remote Outlet and tried Browser access--even tried including the port number in the URL.  Both worked when the device was in the DMZ and failed otherwise.  Any ideas?

The router is Spectrum/Time Warner hardware, Arris, TG862G.  Since it is also the  landline phone interface, I'm left with little choice but to deal with it.

Chuck, W9WLX
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@Chuck

I also have Spectrum but I put a 1GHz cable splitter feeding on side the the Spectrum landline Modem and the other side to my own DOCIS 3 Arris Modem and my own ASUS Router It saves about $10/month for Cable Modem Rental which quickly paid the $90 cost of the modem from Amazon but more important gave me complete control of my Internet connections

BY FCC rules Spectrum has to let u use your own modem
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Thanks.  If there is nothing I overlooked, I'll have to go that route.

You must have had good luck with the ASUS router being radio-friendly.  I've had problems with RF getting into Netgear and Linksys routers and losing connectivity.
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The absolute best way in my opinion to control the digital loggers from WAN is to setup a VPN.  You can do this very inexpensively with a small Raspberry Pi or if your router supports VPN you can probably do it that way.

This way you connect your VPN, then like you were on your LAN log into your digital logger device and control what you need.

That being said it is possible to expose the digital logger device on the WAN.  You simply need to set a static LAN IP and a custom port on it in the setup and then in your router port forward the custom port to the digital logger static LAN IP address.

Works just fine.  But now your digital logger will likely start to get hammered by the far east in attempts to break in so choose a VERY GOOD password.

I use both ways.  I have a Raspberry Pi VPN and I also have my loggers exposed on some ports AND I have complex passwords I change regularly.
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Thanks Mark, that was the issue.  I was using the default http port, port 80.  I changed it to a unique port, forwarded that one, and I can connect successfully and reliably.  

Good suggestions about router or Pi VPN.  I'll keep that in mind and look into it in the near future.
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Worth noting - I am using a Raspberry Pi 3 to control the power to the radio remotely. It was pretty easy to set up, and the GPIO levels are compatible with the radio. In a nutshell, the Pi is running the Apache web server and that provides a web interface that is used to turn the radio on and off remotely. Nothing more needed than the Pi to control the Flex. As an added bonus I have a scrolling display on the Pi that shows NTP synchronized time (UTC) so it looks cool too :)
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Hi Phil, Would you be willing to share your web code that does this?  I would like to go that route for controlling not only the flex on/off but also an amp.

Let me know:  ws7m@arrl.net
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Certainly - I can back up the SD card and make an image of it and post it online for anyone that wants it. Considering how many GPIO ports the Pi has, you can control a lot of stuff with it :)

You should be able to modify the code easily to add additional devices, it is written in Python and HTML, both are easy to work with. I should mention that currently there is no authentication required to get the the web page so if you connect or route directly to the Pi from the Internet, you might want to add an authentication mechanism as well or anyone on the interwebs could control your radio. With my setup, I either VPN to my home network to get to the web interface or use TeamViewer to access my home computer and control the Pi (and the radio) from there.

Once I get the image created and uploaded, I will post a link for it. 
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Why not post the php and HTML instead of an entire image. I'm sure there are others that have multiple RasPi that don't need an entire image.
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I did just that for Mark, WS7M as he already has a Pi running a web server. Let's see how that goes :) 

There is some html, some php, and a Python 3 program that makes it all work. Sounds complex, but it is really quite easy if you know the Pi.

I will be glad to share the code - email me direct. Info is on QRZ. 
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Just what I have been looking for!   My biggest problem is when the router dies after a power glitch or extended power failure and I can't get in remotely over WAN to reset it. I suffered for days recently waIting to get home to reset the router after a power failure at home!! The router was dead. This will help with the auto ping functionality. Too bad that they are out of stock.
 I use NEO swithches that can be purchesed online for turning on power supply and radio. I agree, even these switches can be flaky. Once set up, they never go down.
https://www.amazon.com/Ankuoo-Smart-Plug-Wi-Fi-White/dp/B00NAX2GVU
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You may want to consider getting a GSM/SMS switch for the times when the router, cable modem, DSL modem, etc. needs to be rebooted. I use one at my station as my internet connection is over 4G and about once a month needs a reboot.
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Which GSM switch do you use.? I have yet to find one that does not have a monthly cell phone charge
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I use an older model and am consider getting one of the new ones as they have an iOS app.

Yes, they all require a SIM card. I use a prepaid Rogers card and pay no monthly fees.
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I have gone thru a few internet outages when I was thousands of Miles and weeks away from home. The data logger solved many of these problems but I still installed a secondary path to my home network with the addition of a wireless hotspot.
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I was upset and aggravated the first time that my router wouldn't respond when I was remote via WAN. If a power transient happens or the router can't get back in step with the modem after power comes up, you are out of business. Modem has to settle down first, then router, then rest of the clients on the router. I have many items including weatherstations, cameras etc. The only way to recorrect is to reset the router. I probably don't need the hotspot but a device that can't ping the internet from the home base knows that power is on and there is no internet so it resets the router should do the job!
Stan
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Get a SMS switch that you can control via simple text messages or just by calling it from your phone. Works great.
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@spopiela

The Datalogger Web Switch has an auto ping and scripting facility.

When my internet fails, it reboots the modem first, the follows the script to reboot the other devices in the correct sequence and timing.


The primary path is a Cable Modem 350Mb/s x 30Mb/s

Still have a second Internet path through a 4G Hotspot and have double homed my LAN so that there is an alternative path to the Internet

I found that when running remote you must try to eliminate all possible single points of failure..with the Internet connections being a primary source of such failures.

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So I use phone cell signal to reset a router when I can't connect to my home via WAN?
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Yes, this is correct. You should assume that there will be times when you cannot reach the router for whatever reason and you need to reboot it.
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The devices shown do not appear to have the relay needed for the rca jack remote on/off. Or am I missing something?
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You need to attach a relay that  opens or closes with 115v power to the coil of the relay. I use http://www.digital-loggers.com/ac.html. The relay power cord connects to the a/c wall switch that you control over your wifi. This relay will be open with no power and then closes if the switch is turned on. You must select the normally open contacts. connect the relay connects to the rca connection on the back of the radio.
Stan
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Thanks very much
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I use the digital loggers A/C power switch device in Howard's post.  I simply have the remote on terminal on the back of the flex shorted.  No relay.

I just have the digital logger cycle power to the 12V supply and everything reboots nicely.  Makes it a little easier since you don't need a relay in addition to some kind of power switch.  Do the job with one thing.

For a while I had a battery backup to my DC power supply but found the batteries were going bad.  So I took that out of the loop.  With battery backup you still will need some way to toggle the remote on port of the radio.

However one time my Flex hung.  Toggling remote on did not restart it.  That is when I redesigned things to cycle the D/C power.
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Hi Mark, if it's ever convenient sometime for you, I'd appreciate seeing a photo(s) of your digital logger setup and the connections you use to power cycle everything nicely. Thanks!
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I would be glad to but it's really pretty simple:

At back of flex radio just short the "Remote On".  I used a cut off phono connector and just soldered outer and inner wires together with heat shrink.  I leave that plugged in all the time.

I have an Astron 12V 35A DC supply for the radio.  I just plug the A/C cord for that into one of the outlets on the Digital Logger.   Using the Web Interface on the digital logger you can turn that outlet on/off.  Doing do will cause the power to fail to the radio and it will turn off.

Reapplying the power will cause the radio to auto-start since the remote plug is shorted.

While I am never a fan of killing power there are times you have to do it and quite frankly I've not had to do this to my radio but twice and I leave it on all the time.

If you want to go a step further you can do exactly what I mention above but also purchase one of their din power relays:  https://dlidirect.com/products/din-relay-iv
and wire one of the relays to your remote on/off on the FlexRadio.

With this setup you can first try toggling the relay to reset the radio.  Wait a bit and see what happens.  If that doesn't work then reset the power using the A/C digital logger.

A note of caution:  I purchased the DIN relay a while back and found it generated noise.  Another ham here in the Flex Forum saw the same thing so I stopped using it.  There are some internal mods you can make to clean it up.  But I went to the power cycle idea above.

Once you decide how you are going to go you have two options for remote control.   Over your LAN it will work just fine.  You just need to know/set the IP address of the device.  But when you setup the digital loggers you can give them a static IP on your LAN and also a port number to work on.  When you do this you change your HTTP requests to go to that custom port.

This opens up the ability to port forward this port through your router so you can connect in from the WAN.   So in my case it works like this:

My request is like this on my LAN to turn on outlet 2:

http://admin:password@192.168.0.100:8086/outlet?2=ON 

Notice I pass the username:password in.  Since I port forward 8086 through my router I can do:

http://admin:password@ws7m.net:8086/outlet?2=ON 

ws7m.net resolves to my home IP WAN address.

A safer alternative is to setup a VPN so that before any outlet or relay control you have to connect to your VPN.  Then your commands all look like local LAN commands.

Let me know if you need more or photos.  Glad to help.
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Very clear Mark! Thank you for this description. I had not thought of simply keeping the "remote on" phono connector permanently shorted. I understand now why you would do that if your plan is to have an emergency power toggle option using a plug on your web accessible data logger. Appreciate your explanation!
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I do both. One port on my digital logger for remote power on/off and oneport for main power for the Flex

It gives me the option of both hard and soft resets for my 6700

I have just added a port fort PTT as well so I can remotely register and de register SmartLink
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Howard, where do you connect the relay for PTT?
Stan
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Either the PTT RCA jack or PTT & Ground in Accy jack on back of radio. That way you can That way you can remote desktop into a PC on local radio LAN and be able to toggle PTT when setting up SmartLink remotely.

You will need this if changing the SmartLink account when you are remote from the shack as you need to provide a local PTT when registering radio.

Dave wo2x
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Dave, Thanks. If I VPN into my home network and turn on smartsdr can I set up smart link remotely using the PTT toggle process without using a remote desktop application? I'd rather leave the home computer off and just runsmartsdr  through my router VPN. If this works, I cane have total remote control , including re-registering the radio ,  using the radio over VPN or smartlink and  leaving the home computer off. WOW!
Stan
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Correct