Version 3 and Contesters and Bugs

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I have heard that none of the bugs like ANF,NB, or any of the other bugs were fixed in V3. Instead Flex is more concerned with the contesters and MultiFlex than they are with us regular users. This was told to me by a good ham friend of mine already running V3 and under a NDA. Said he noticed no difference in any of the bugs and they are still there.
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Steve,
In the "FAQ's" for version 3, Flex says in response to a question about another release of version 2 "Yes, we will be releasing SmartSDR v2.5 later in 2019. SmartSDR v2.5 will be a maintenance release which will include a number of performance improvements and bug fixes."  Maybe the fixes you mention will be fixed there??  Hope that helps, it did help me.
73,
Don
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If the bug fixes will be in V2.5, why wouldn’t they also be in V3. I didn’t think dsp work on the NB et al to be bug fixes, rather performance upgrades. I’d love to see these in V2.5, or V3.
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Don,
Don't hold your breath. The bugs people have been complaining about have been there for years.
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You don't need a Flex to bullshit on the airwaves but you need one to win contests.
I think Flex is doing a great job.
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But, you can use whichever one you wish, however you wish. Spend your money for whatever makes you happy. I don't contest, yet I still bought a 6600M. And prior to that a 6500 and 6300.
James
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Bod  ya that is when the Flex persistence problem not blow you equipment at start of the contest !!  this is exactly what happen on last ARRL VHF January contest 

in VHF contest whit quick band change you need to trust antenna selection and power power setting , that really not a small low priority bog !! still off air after 2 week  and not yet yet knot total cost of repair to the equipment 

funny thing on Facebook my last post about that "disappear" 
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I don't believe the noise filters have been worked on. No surprise as these will be large projects and consume a lot of resources.
I expect your friend may get yet another v3 update as it is not ready for public release yet.
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ANF,NB, Yup large projects since fall 2014 all ready. Still waiting here.
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Dont hold your breath on this one...  I think these have gone and other more "exotic" projects taken their place. 
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It would be very beneficial if Flex would just tell us what bugs (not features) they are and are not addressing in each release prior to the actual release.  I see no reason to not tell us. The guessing game is getting old.


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Be serious, there is no way Flex is going to give us a clue where they are going in the future. Personally, I won't upgrade to version 3. If something comes out in 3.something that I want, maybe then I will pull the trigger. Otherwise, I will wait for version 4.
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I am not talking about "where they are going in the future" . I'm talking about telling us which of the existing and documented bugs they are addressing.
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Same thing. They tell nothing about what they are doing next.
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Agree. Most of the speculation and apparent user irritation could be reduced with more Flex communications.
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And from the recent posts it seems that it's really starting to annoy customers.
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Flex doesnt make money on Bug Fixes, only on new versions, thus you know where the programming effort takes place. 
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This isn't really fair, to say that bug fixes do not impact the bottom line. Of course they do, and any successful company knows this. It's a balancing act of development resources, marketing imperatives, and support resources. It's not easy unless you have unlimited money to pour into the problem, and even then it's no sure thing the right balance will be struck.

I've worked for over 40 years in software development of the type Flex is engaged in, for large companies and tiny start-ups. It's really hard to please everyone, and at some point you must put the money where you think your future is - and sometimes it is damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead, as long as you have a good idea where you are going. In all cases, the company that truly cares for its customers is more likely to succeed. Personally, I think Flex cares for its customers.
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Money has nothing to do with telling the customers what bugs are being attended to for the next release.

It's not like giving out company secrets that could help a competitor. It's simply keeping current customers up to date as to which bugs are being fixed so customers that already paid $$$ are not left in the dark.
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That's what release notes are for - to say what bugs have been fixed and what features have been added. And they aren't made public until the product is released - that's why they are called "Release notes". At the last minute something can change, so they are kept back until everything is tied in a bow.
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They will be in the release notes, what benefit would there be to say a few weeks before hand? And some bugs are being finished just before the public release.
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I'm glad Ted get's it, many times bugs are worked on just before a release. Perhaps that same day. So telling about what bugs are being worked on makes little sense. That is just how it works folks...
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And Bill thinks I am disruptive to the Community!
I am not the only one that feels strongly about these issues.
James
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James,,your feelings have been well noted. I hope your comments in the near future will be more positive ones and the community will benefit.
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James

I am NOT trying to be disruptive. I just feel the same as you about them.

Bill

I was told the facts about the bugs. Maybe they will get fixed before the final release . . . Probably not. They have been there for years and will continue to be there.

Why is it when someone says something that is not constructive we are being disruptive and threatened to be removed from the group. CENSORSHIP

If V3 were not included in my latest Flex Purchase I would probably not purchase it.
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If they were well note they would be resolved.
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Steve, James...mentioning over and over again the same things is very disruptive indeed because the comments have already been noted. That is an indication that there are other motives for continuing to do so. If it is to force Flex to move in the direction you want then you will be doing this a long long time. It is not because Flex does not care about your concerns, it is because they have a business to run in witch none of us have anything to with, not our problem. Gerald I'm sure knows that it does not matter what they decide to do their are always unhappy people some were over something.

I think that there is a difference of opinion what a bug is as well. To me the performance of some of the noise mitigation filters are not bugs, but simply functions that could be worked on more to improve them. Not a bug. They are intentional as to how they work, just no working the best at this time.

For most operators WNB is wonderful, it is here for sure. With the great receivers we have with the aid of the AGC-T we can bring most noise down to a good level without any of the other filters on. For Squelch, most simply use FR stacks as an example, problem solved.

Bugs are two types according to Flex. Critical and non critical. A critical bug that effects the performance of the radio is dealt with right away. I recall one release were the RF power slider always moved to 100% on startup, I was the first to report that. Flex made a release with that fix in a week.
And I was the first to report a problem with the record and on air playback function, This is a non critical bug and can wait till the next release to fix it. But some bugs that are just simply annoying ones may take a long time to fix depending on how it fits into the plans.
I really do not know of that many bugs that are outstanding that effects my operation here. May you know of more?

I am not planning to buy v3 either at this time. But I am not going to criticise their work on v3 as it sets Flex apart from everyone else. No one is doing this kind of thing with their radio, and most simply can't. This is ground breaking stuff and it is just the start.
So even though I can't make use of this release so much I give them credit for their work on it. If you stop and think about what can be done with this v3 and it is just a start, it is really amazing stuff, really look at it.

Steve you are very correct that there is outstanding things in SSDR that we have been waiting for a long time, and who knows maybe they never will?
But they run things at Flex, we don't, I have some things I want done as well but either way I'm happy with the performance of my radio, I still have not seen anything I would move to at this time. My 6500 just works so well. Even with some things that could be improved I like the many things it does really well.

And Steve I have seen you take the time to help others on the community with some good advice. And you have lots to offer people. I have seen most every one do it as well. It would be nice if we could spend more of our time helping then complaining about old things that have been noted and logged already. Unless the motive is to stire up the community and try to make Flex look bad for some reason. With cheap shots.

We all have want's from this tiny little company and some make demands. but Flex makes choices of what to do, that's up to them. I suggest pulling back on the demands and decending remarks and enjoy our radios.

I am not saying we should not hold Flex accountable and keep reminding them they still have customers, but there is a line from being helpful to the overall picture and simply badgering.

If I was to snip and past all the things you guys said over the year and put them in one place were it's easy to read them all,,what would we see? What would the trend be?

If you guys think you are doing the community a great service and your saving the day in what your saying almost every day, then keep it up. And I'm not saying your wrong, but what is the end game?
I really don't care, I have no skin in the game here and it is not my business or place to tell you anything else.
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To paraphrase: Your repeated criticism is disruptive so why keep on?    Simple Bill, because many many customers keep complaining about problems and basic features that are far from perfect yet nothing has been done to address their concerns for years!
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Bill, my posts regarding the issues I (and others) feel strongly about, have no other motive than to bring to FRS's attention my concerns about the lack of fully functioning basic features. Nothing more, nothing less.
  ANYTHING beyond that, that YOU read into my posts are purely your imagination. No hidden agendas. There is no conspiracy to undermine or disrupt, this community or it's members.
As for the "end game", my ONLY goal regarding this subject (basic, existing features that , either do not work or only partially work) is to let FRS know my feelings and that those issues are important to me. Even though I'm not a contester.
  I do not bring this up daily or even weekly. In fact, MOST of the posts I make regarding this subject are in response and in support of others who post here asking the same questions and expressing the same concerns that I have.
   Saying that my concerns have been noted, (by you so it seems) doesn't mean I or others cannot post about these issues. If what I post on this subject bothers you or offends you, I do apologize. But, beyond that, the easiest thing you can do is to ignore these type of posts and save yourself a lot of needless concern over whether or not it is some sort of conspiracy going to undermine or disrupt this community. There is not any conspiracy, nor has there ever been a conspiracy going on.
 One last thing, you say you don't really care, your constant responses say's otherwise. Again, skip these type of posts and you'll feel better. And it will not bring down this community in any way shape or form. This is not a Praise, tech support only forum.
Have a great day Bill.
James
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Couldn't have said it better James.
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Well written my friend
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As I said, you guys still think Flex has not heard you. Please keep doing the same thing if you think you are doing the community a wonderful service. It is not my place to ask you to stop. or should I even care.

I hope bye your continuing pounding on things you get what your asking for.
i'm out....
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I have observer the noise reduction conversation for a year and seen the history before that. My engineers have designed analog noise blankers for years in FM radio equipment. (Currently retired)

Part of the problem is that calling these problems a bug is not correct and confuses the issues. I don’t believe there is defective software code that prevents removing pulse noise. My Yaesu FT1000MP Mark V has noise reduction and never met my expectations to remove noise. It did remove some specific noise types some times. It wouldn’t remove most pulse noise an operator would observe. My Flex6600 is not much better in that regard.

You can set up a lab test and adjust the controls to be very impressive. Simulating the many forms of varieties of noise is almost an art. Think of various causes like lightning, ignition noise, motors, noise from switching transformers, and many more. Add to that the different modes, CW / SSB / DIGITAL / AM / FM. Thirdly, the operator has to have the correct choice of noise tool and proper adjustment.

You want Flex engineers to write an equation to mitigate all those factors. Some are critical when the radio doesn’t eliminate it. Also, a software engineer is not an expert at noise simulation and real world noise.

You as a station designer have a tool in a flex radio that is the most effective tool in eliminating noise before it gets to your radio. Noise Elimination. It is no different than we use to do in eliminating TVI from our own and neighbors TV. Noisy power transmission lines. It takes work and we all need to get good at it. More LED light bulbs and wall warts. We will never get to being able to push a button and get S1 noise.

I have been impressed with the NR noise reduction performance. I am sure there are some radios that have good noise performance for some noise. I am sure Flex will improve noise reduction in more situations and modes and guess what, a new software release will give you that benefit on an older radio. In the mean time clean up the noise you can and share with the community what you did and what worked. Also if you have found current settings that reduce some instances of noise share it with the community. That would be positive contribution and provide the Flex Team with important input for more effective performance.

I apologize for being so wordy, but lack of understanding breeds emotion not solutions. This is not a bug.

Related to V3, from what I have read addresses an important strategic element that affect the architecture of our stations for the future of every operator not just complex contest stations.

73
Bill
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I agree totally Bill. However, there are many established algorithms for extremely effective noise reduction. Moreover, speech enhancement is a very effective approach to the same problem - Ephrahim Malah for example. What I cannot understand is; since Flex software engineers are "World class" , why not simply code an existing proven algorithm into a form that can be used in their radios? There is no need to re-invent the wheel. The 'science' has already been done. I am genuinely intrigued.

Footnote: try out SDRConsole v3 by Simon Brown if you want a demonstration of how good noise reduction can (should) be. It's free by the way.
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Paul

You are exactly right in identifying methods, products and software that set the performance bar. Flex software or radio structure may not allow some solutions but maybe would be enlightening for the development team.

At work we always evaluated competing equipment and researched academia to learn of best in class. To make a parallel, Flex engineering team is like a Cray computer but this community is like the distributed network. Your two suggestions are what we need more of. Can the Brown console connect to a Flex radio?

It would be nice if I could channel solutions to the team without so much bandwidth.

In looking at and thinking of the many responses, it seems that those with S9+ noise levels have a different set of priorities than those in a more Radio friendly environment. Both are important to Flex. The low sun spot part of the cycle does no favors to the stations with noisy environments. Some see the possibility of putting their Flex at a friends antenna farm. (V3)

73
Bill W9JJB
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Yes I have seen SDRConsole v3 working,,,very nice.  but is does not work on the Flex...As you know Flex has their own way to handle things, If the Flex receiver was so good I bet they would have continued the work on the DSP. For me it's does not matter so much when they get to working with it.

It would have been nice if Slice Master or FR Stacks had a DSP panel with filter settings such as NB ANF,  Since some are saying the filtering in the Flex should be easy.
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Actually, the 'Brown Console' can be used with a Flex. You set up a DAXIQ channel and IIRC then select that as the IQ source in the console. Obviously it's RX only, but you could use CAT and Omnirig to marry the two together. It certainly highlights how well the console performs.
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To much work,,I know the noise mitigation works better then most of the filters on the Flex. I said most, because Flex did a wonderful job on the WNB filter. I know the coders can do the same sort of things if they have time to get back to it. But I'm happy to wait, things are just fine,,but yes I hope they can re visit this.
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Bill (VA3WTB)
NR has worked well for me with white noise/weak signals on high frequency bands.

WNB has not shown an improvement probably because I haven’t had the appropriate noise that it affects.

NB has not shown any help but I really don’t know the most effective setting.

I know the setting process in the manual and the technical explanations but the practical application and techniques, have not been seen. Would make a good article for the website like the excellent one on proper use of AGC-T. By the way, AGC-T is the best I have seen.

Bill
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Yes, speaking of the AGC-T. This is a great tool, something any other radio misses. I always find that if I adjust it just right, the band noise is very low while hearing weak signals.
But In saying that, I find setting the AGC-T a little lower then the knee that is recommended works best for me. I find the proper spot,,the knee to be still a little to noisy for my ears.
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@Bill

Thank you for explaining far more eloquently than I did that not meeting some people’s expectation on features like NB, ANF and Squelch are NOT BUGS but rather they are future features enchancement requests.
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Squelch is a feature.....really......ive never seen anything saying "New and improved, Includes squelch free"   And future..... its been more then 5 years.

James your right on.......
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what are you talking about..we have squelch,,were have you been?
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Bill, what he's talking about is an "all mode" squelch. Not one that's limited to a single mode(FM) like the one in SSDR.
James
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Slice master?
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FRStack does it too. ( first to do so) But, some feel that an integrated solution as the one in PowerSDR and all radios sold for the last 20 years or so, should be standard in a radio as advanced as the 6000 Series and SSDR.
James
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I see your point James, and a good one.
When Gerald started to develop SSDR the plan was to get people involved in creating software for the flex to compliment it. And the plan has worked. Keep in mind that most radios do not have 3rd party software that works so well with those radios. We are lucky.

Advantage Flex. SSDR running on a computer, able to run several types of software behind the SSDR screen doing so many cool things. Having this software working with SSDR as if it was part of the SSDR code is great.

So, we are lucky these 3rd party softwar's can do anything we may be missing in SSDR till Flex adds them, if ever. I hope they do as well.

And squelch for HF, most of us don't use it anyways. I had my Flex 3000 on air for 10 years, I can't remember ever using squelch. But for multible slices both those programs do a great job.

James, I don't own a M model radio. I wonder what they do when more slices are open using the front screen, without squelch? At least with SSDR for windows we have it if we need it.
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Bill, in my case with the 6600M, I just turn down the volume on the second panadapter (all that the display on the M models will allow at one time. Not really enough display area for all four panadapters) .  With SSDR spreading all four out over two monitors is no longer an issue. My home made version of SSDR (SortaSmart SDR !) does the multi display of panadapters that can be spread over two monitors, before it came out in v2.x. But, now it is redundant since it works fine in SSDR. 
And it looks more elegant in SSDR than in my little program.
And I do understand that a lot of people do not use the squelch, but, there are others that do. My friend Dave has a need for it. I like others rarely have the desire for it. But, it makes sense to want one as you can leave the volume for the second receiver up but, set the squelch to break when someone, like a net control comes on frequency while you are on another band or frequency in the same band. And you don't miss the start of your net. I watch a couple of nets on the weekends (Swap Nets) that it would be easier to set like I mentioned above. And go about another qso till time for the net to start, if I could just set the squelch instead of having to keep watching the panadapter for the presence of a signal on that frequency. Sometimes, with conditions being what they currently are, the Net Control's signal that where it not for seeing the faint color changes in the Waterfall, I would have missed the start of the net.
     One of the developers at FRS told me that someday, there just may be a Voice Recognition Squelch for SSDR. It recognizes the human voice and only breaks the squelch when a voice is present. At this point it is another of those ideas and possible projects. That would be very interesting to see added to SSDR. And if it came in a version upgrade would make me part with my money just to see it in action.
James
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I wonder how many help tickets and complaints there will be when people's radios "quit working". 

On our 7610, I was about ready to pack it up and send it in for repair, when I couldn't get audio. Turned out it was muted, which you do via pushing on the volume control.

But I wonder - should Flex use an Icom combo RF gain/Squelch?
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Well, on the Maestro and the M model displays there is an AGCT and Squelch for the A and B receivers. But, the Squelch only works in FM mode. So, hardware wish, it's there already. It just needs a bit of code to allow Squelch to show on the Receiver Flag as an option for  the other voice modes.
Looking thru the FLEX API it appears that would not be hard to add. But, the unknown to me is what checking, if any the internal software in the radio does when a value is set for Squelch. Does the firmware/software in the radio have a lookup  that says, No, this function is not available for that mode" and rejects the request to show the Squelch on the Flag for....say SSB?  I've seriously thought at times of testing that by altering the API and recompiling the DLL's and "temporarily" swapping out the altered Dll that has the code for the squelch, to test how much checking does take place.
I've avoided yielding to that temptation simply because it would be wrong of me to alter a dll, and use it in SSDR proper.
  If my thoughts were right and the radio's firmware does not check to see if Squelch is allowed on all modes, then it could and would cause support problems if my altered dll were to be shared. But, I would not share it even if I had made it work that way.
It's up to FRS to fix that issue.
   James
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Hi Bill,

RE your comment from above:  "... mentioning over and over again the same things is very disruptive indeed because the comments have already been noted. "

Sometimes we see posts with questions that are very good but the poster may be new to the forum or may not have had the time to keep up or find an answer in the 15,000 threads here.  So while a particular comment or position is noted or known by some of us that are old timers here or just keep up with everything, that is not the case for everyone.  Repetition can be good and helpful.   I could give you a number of recent examples if you want. 

But the point is that repeating an answer, or directing someone to a idea or conversation with the answer or a potential solution is not meant to be disruptive.   It can be helpful.   Your feedback has been very helpful here but even you have repeated your thoughts on being repetitive ( hihi).  And I'm not saying that in a negative way.

Also providing feedback requesting changes is not usually meant to be negative either but rather an opportunity to improve.    

IMHO it is the way you respond that is important. 
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AI thank you, for many that have been here a long time knows what I mean, it is not only a comment being repeated, it is the sarcasm and dissension in the comments that follows,,sending up red flags?
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I kinda draw the line when people start saying they are going to buy an Anon, 7610, or even a 7300. If not having a XXX feature or you don't lke how an existing one is implemented, is so egregious that you are considering another radio, sell it and buy that other radio. 

I guess what I am saying is that it's nice to allow the kvetching, but a new person considering a Flex radio is going to come away convinced it is a piece of trash thea users hate with a passion because Flex simply doesn't care about it's customers.

Which impression is just wrong.
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Personally, I want Flex radio to be heads above any of the off shore radios on the market.  I do wish we had more input from the flex staff so we didnt feel so much in the dark on developments.  But I do understand Flex's position on the subject as they have been burned in the past especially with giving estimates of shipment of new products, etc.  
What stands above all for me, I do love my Flex Radio and currently the best radio on the market by far!!!!
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FLAME ON

Did anybody notice that the poster clearly stated NDA was "violated"
and
if that didnt happen this whole thread might not have happened...

Maybe time to pull the NDA person aside
and
read them the condition of the NDA again
or
maybe take them off the ALPHA list

OR

was the NDA just a ploy to add some kind of validity to the thread


JUST Saying... WHAT !!!!!!

maybe ...just maybe
when the real V3 appears then there can be some real discussions about likes and dislikes

and

possibly not just some second hand hearsey...

FLAME OFF



Paul K3SF
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WW1SS - Steve

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I don't think it was a NDA violation and I will not give out my source. It was not hearsay it was right from a V3.user. Was a simple question after v3 was announced. Is the NB, ANF, any better. Response was nope. I won't ever disclose my source so you probably have them all removed as Alpha testers.
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Bill -VA3WTB

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This is were ethics are involved. He or she should not have given any information other than  what Flex was willing to announce, nothing...  and then to repeat this instead of keeping it to yourself. And how exactly was this suppose to help out the community?
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Ted VE3TRQ

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It sure created a buzz!
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Pat N6PAT

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I used my radio today
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KC2QMA_John

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I see it this way if you don’t like the new V3 either don’t update to V3 or wait to see what others experiences are and decide at that point if V3 is for you.

Now as far as all this ranting about software that no one has even seen yet if you really want to protest the state of SSDR Just don’t buy it till it has what you want.

Vote with your wallet! Flex is like any other company they base business decisions on customer demand and return on investment. If no one buys the software updates FRS will get the message a respond to customer demand.

At one time not long ago I let all of this stuff get to me but I have changed my outlook these days and try to be more open-minded about this whole radio thing.

In Amateur radio, technology is the driving force that keeps us Hams buying new gear and is what for most keeps the hobby exciting but with all cutting edge technology there will be some bumps in the road.

I think you have to ask yourself a simple question, If you hate this company or radio so much why do you keep it? I think most come to realize that at this point Overall the flex 6000 series is still the finest transceiver available today with “Software” that is light years ahead of everyone. Is it perfect...No but this is part of journey that us hams are all on and is will just get better and better.

The thing I like best about my Flex is that I know that the sky is the limit as to where the software can go. Its also nice to know that every once and a while with a software update I virtually get a new radio.

There are a lot of things that I would like to see improved in SSDR and I know that in time it will come. I enjoy my Radio as it is today and look forward to what the future holds.

BTW: Flex offers a software developers kit (SDK) for SmartSDR so if a few hams that are really good at coding got together not only could you create your own SDR software for the Flex but you could have yourself a nice little business.

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bahillen

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John, well stated. At times I like operating my boat anchors with triple conversion receiver. The Flex on the other hand challenges my mind and develops my skill.

I never had to pay for an upgrade to my OLD radio, I just had to buy a new radio and put the old one on the shelf. $199 is the best deal going. That $199 goes to pay the salaries of some world class software engineers. I have been very happy with the interim releases I did not have to pay for. I have talked to Gerald at ham conventions and SDr Radio is his passion not just a business. Thanks Flex.

73
Bill W9JJB
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You know, in the end, this flurry of discussion, both negative and positive, may well result in more sales of the Version 3 release when it DOES come out. People will want to see what the fuss is all about, resulting in a win for Flex :-)
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Ken - NM9P, Elmer

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One thing that bears repeating is that every new major update contains the main "feature" and some smaller sub-features.  But that there are almost always subsequent point-updates with additional features and "tweaks."

I cannot comment about any major "science project" dealing with overhauling DSP features such as NB, NR, ANF, APF, etc.  I would love to see these addressed eventually myself, but have no information about plans, timetables, priorities, etc. related to these issues.  We all know that Flex plays these things pretty close to the vest due to corporate/industrial security issues.   But I know that they aware of everyone's concerns, and a flame-war will not advance the issues one iota.

There is a lot of testing in process to perfect what IS planned for the initial 3.0 release, and a lot more will be done afterwards on point-releases and updates.

In the mean time, I would suggest that rather than speculating and debating endlessly the veracity of our speculations, that we all wait and see what comes out and then decide if it warrants an individual update to our stations.

Having fun!

Ken - NM9P
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KC2QMA_John

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Lets get some perspective here, V1 of SSDR gave us a taste of what is possible. V2 we saw a huge leap for SSDR including Plug and play remote capabilities! Now V3 promises to bring us “Multi-Client” mode and a few more big improvements. So when you think about that’s a lot of progress in a relatively short time.

I think at some point we will see more of a balance between features and bug fixes in the future with SSDR updates as more and more users move over to FlexRadio.

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Bill -VA3WTB

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I hear a lot about software bugs in SSDR,,,bugs bugs bugs,,but as I look around my software and test things I really don't see many bugs that effect the way I operate. Maybe we have extended the meaning of a bug? The only one I am aware of right now is the record and on air playback. Are there others I don't notice?
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KY6LA - Howard, Elmer

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@ Bill

You are Correct in the over use of the word bugs.  

Most of these are Future Feature Requests NOT BUGS
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Marc Lalonde

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set power to 10% on VHF XVRTA  then go 6M on ANTB

go back to VHF  if you do it by SmartSDR it stay most of time to 10%  if you do it by CAT command it now reset @ 100% !  go back to 6M and ANT is now  ANTA or some other combination  ,really hard to miss 

that a bog ;-) since previous version have not that "Feature Requests"
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KC2QMA_John

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You are right I should not have used the word “Bug”, I should have said features and “Performance Enhancements”.

There now I think we all feel much better. ;)  LOL

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James Whiteway

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The short time I worked in software development for a local publishing company, we called "bugs" Undocumented Features. Management didn't find it near as funny as the development team! Fun experience in the past that I wish I could have continued with.
James
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