Unwanted auto change of operating mode

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Flex 6600 changes its operating mode automatically which is causing issues.  While utilizing Software ALE the flex continuously changes to the normal operating mode for voice, even when it is not desired.  I am using MMI commands to control the radio and even when it is the appropriate command for USB the radio automatically overrides the commands and switches to LSB which makes ALE not possible in the lower bands.  Any known corrective actions for this???
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Tim - W4TME, Customer Experience Manager

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This behavior has been associated with ALE for some time now.  SmartSDR changes the SSB mode based on the slice frequency.  It uses the standard ham band convention for SSB mode.

This could be easily fixed by the ALE software team by simply issuing a CAT mode command ZZMD or MD (for the Kenwood command set) when it issues the command to change frequency.  I believe this issue has been reported to the ALE software developers, but you may want to do it again.
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Yes I am using that MD command.  It does however not seem to work..  I will try the ZZMD command and see if it works.
What I am using for commands is: radcmd MD2;FA00000000;FR0;SB0;  (freq substituted)

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For starters, SB0; is not a supported CAT command for the FLEX-6000.

Second, are you executing these commands as a single string?  That may be part of the problem as the parser may not be able to split up the string into separate commands.

Third, the MD2 command is missing the command terminator (;)

And last, I do not know if you can add a wait or a pause between issuing the commands or not, but if you can, that would be preferred.  Some CAT commands will return a value, especially if the command syntax is wrong or the command is not supported (?;).

I ran the command string that you provided and all of the commands ran successfully except for SB0; which returned a ?; since it was not supported.
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I removed the SB0 command.  I searched in the Kenwood files myself and couldn't find there.  Not sure why he built that into the MMI for me.  The MD2 did or rather does, I must have either not copied it or deleted it on accident.  Even with that deleted I have same results, I am at a loss.
I am only scanning 2 channels per slice so I can have a pause, I am not sure how to enter that.  I also am not sure how to enter on multiple lines.  But this 4Mhz freq is not the only one that has issues, there is a 6Mhz channel that does the same thing, very close to the ham bands where the flex automatically changes the mode from upper to lower.  If that was able to be shut off I bet there would be no issues with scanning ALE right next to the Amateur Bands..
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Ok.  I have re-configured my MMI it is now:

radcmd FA00003999000;
radcmd FR0;
radcmd MD2;

It seems to work but it does have a lag, it switches over to the new frequency, then pauses for about a second then switches to USB and then continues to scan.  It is kind of an ugly operation but it is working.  Would only work how I am using it, scanning 2 channels at 1 per second, any faster and would be an issue.

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You're making progress.

If you only have one slice open, you can forgo using the FR0; command since you only have one slice and it is always the active slice.
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I was using 3 MARS ALE on 3 slices, only 2 frequencies on each.  But now that I am scanning on the Slice 2 with this odd freq issue, I have a click occurring when scanning on 3rd slice.  So I am not sure what I will do.  I don't like the clicking going on in the radio.  I know what it is just don't like a click or two every second or so.  I do not want to wear anything out.
Also, the switch from LSB to USB does not happen each time.  Sometimes it stays in LSB and switch over on the next one or two scans of that frequency.  Not very consistent.  I VERY much look forward to an internal ALE controller, as well as a M110A modem.  That would be very excellent.  One day.
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While I'm not using ALE, I reported this behavior as well. The explanation that
"it uses the standard ham band convention for SSB mode"
(meaning it forces LSB when QSYing into the 80m Ham band for example) should, in my opinion, NOT occur when the QSY is outside of the Ham band.

My kludge work around is to use the excellent FRStack v3 program and its API to the Stream Deck product. When I create a Stream Deck script action to move me to a MARS frequency, I add a few "no-ops" (empty commands) to take up a few extra moments of time (this allows the automatic mode change from Flex to occur) and then the script reasserts the USB mode and any of my other desired settings.

It's not ideal... as it requires two other 3rd party products to do the work around. And I don't think any of this would work with ALE as it changes frequencies constantly.

At the very least, I would ask that, outside of the Ham bands, that no settings be automatically adjusted... OR, allow the user a setting somewhere that toggles that feature on or off --  OR allow "band edges" to be defined by the operator for these automatic actions by the software.

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