SSDR V3 Pros and Cons

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I have started this conversation as a method of understanding how V3 is doing in the real world.
It is NOT for bickering, do that somewhere else please.  If you can define (in a brief manner) what is good and what is not so good about V3 please do so.  Try to keep it in the Pro and Con
format.  Also tell us whether you have stayed with V3 or reverted back to V2.  Please try to keep it short without personal feelings.  This is again meant to be a productive thread for prospective buyers and Flex alike.  Your help is appreciated.  YES some of this information has been stated throughout the community BUT we all need it in one place,  Thanks again.
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Posted 6 months ago

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Scott Russell - N1SER

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PRO:
  • Multi client even though I don't have a use for it I see the value and innovation which gives me hope there will be more to come.
  • Not a whole lot unless I've missed something. End of April is FL QSO Party so I'll have better experience with it after that event.
CON:
  • Completely broke Mac OS apps.
  • Auto Save profiles needs more work and options for turning it on or off, user preference.
  • No documentation
  • I had an issue after updating the Maestro that it would connect to the 6400 and display a screen but it was as though the Maestro was not connected (no scope/waterfall/audio...etc). This is while SSDR is running on the pc. It still does this unless I disconnect the pc and restart the Maestro. Guess I need to put in a ticket for this.
  • Still lack of polish in the UI.
That's all I can think of at this time until I get to use it more in-depth.

Scott N1SER
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Cal Spreitzer

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PRO:
  •  Various Bug Fixes

CON:
  • New issue with DSTAR / DV Waveforms no longer working.
  • New Advanced Networking Feature for MTU adjustment does not work through Smartlink.
  • New Auto Save Profiles needs work and option to turn off if desired.
  • New Band Settings Menu should have option to turn off if using with 3rd party app ie DDUTIL
  • 3rd party apps like DDUTIL, Slice Master, Dogpark are now broken and need updated.
  • Issues with Multi-Client and original 4O3A Antenna Genius while operating So2R (6600).
  • No updates/improvements to DSP, ANF, NB ETC.  No Auto AGC-T setting. 
  • No V3 Software Documentation yet. 
I've reverted back to V 2.4.9 for now.  V3 just doesn't suit my needs. 

Cal/N3CAL
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Gary NC3Z

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Likewise I have gone back to V2.4.9 for most of the above reasons.
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Burt Fisher

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I was told by an Alpha team member the "haters" (which appears to me he thinks is anyone who criticizes 3.x) have stopped posting. He said:

"Now that the haters like *****  have crawled back into their holes you might note that the Flex community has become a lot more civil And we are seeing lots of positive reports on version three."

His comment (crawled back into their hole) shows the psyche of the privileged.
I have read the community and virtually everyone has behaved with dignity. 
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Scott Russell - N1SER

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SMH...
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W2NER

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I think feedback is of great value if things are not what they should be for the general community (not just one group).  Otherwise it will be the beginning of the end for flex if they don't listen. 
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Yeah, look at Elecraft! I was big fan and had almost every major piece of equipment they sold, K3, KX3, KPA500, etc. Definitely great products! At some point I started to point out the lack of innovation in their reflector. The kool aid drinkers hated me for supposedly criticizing their god. Instead of developing a new radio with more modern features, they decided to spend precious R&D money on a HP amp.

Some people in this country love capitalism but then don’t promote the accompany competition that drives innovation. I even heard some folks were upgrading to V3 just to help Flex financially. What is that, the equivalent of a subsidy in a socialist country! Competition is great for consumers!

73,
Robert-KP4Y
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The thread I initiated -- "Some Advice for Flex Management" -- was frozen immediately after Gerald K5SDR responded.
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Burt Fisher

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There are some that praise that are even handed and there are some that are as Robert said, "Kool aid drinkers" whose mission is to gain favor. Expose them, challenge them and one becomes dead to them. Flex is a great company, one of the best in any category but they are not perfect. All one can ask Flex to do is listen. One has to remember those in this community are not the average Flex owners, here in the community are the most involved. Flex customers are more than this community. I like their ads in QST, simple unlike HRO who defines boredom in their QST ads.
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I interrupt this thread for a brief fact check. I do not wish to hijack this thread but I have to point out an incorrect statement Dave AA6YQ made.
The thread I initiated -- "Some Advice for Flex Management" -- was frozen immediately after Gerald K5SDR responded.
I followed the thread, sorry Dave but your are wrong. There were several posts after Gerald posted. Following his post I think Joe went over the line and was disrespectful with his comment. It was rightly frozen as it was again becoming another "trial period", bla bla bla that has been dealt with recently in other threads. 

Ok, back to the regular programing, v3 Pro and Cons.


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The thread was frozen before I could compose a meaningful response to Gerald K5SDR's lengthy post.

I agree that disrespectful posts should be removed; the 4th of my recommendations to Flex management is to "enforce the forum behavior rules". However, this enforcement should not require freezing an entire thread. If that's a technical limitation of this forum, Flex should remove it.

The bigger problem with this forum is the defensiveness of those who consider it their duty to refute every report of unhappiness or frustration with Flex hardware or software, often with not-so-subtle attacks on the poster's capability or sincerity.

No one spends thousands of dollars on a Flex transceiver so they can gratuitously trash it in an online forum. Some of the problems reported may well be cockpit error, but unless every report is received courteously, users will be discouraged from reporting problems, blinding Flex to feedback it - like every technology company - needs to improve its technical and business practices. This is "customer relations 101".

Prospective Flex purchasers checking out this forum won't see defensive reactions to problem reports as a positive in the Flex column. This is "sales 101".

Those who respond defensively to problem reports here are doing Flex an immense disservice.
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Again my response was only to you saying the thread was closed immediately after Geralds and it wasn't. Someone reading that may have jumped to an improper conclusion, I wanted to record to be correct. You are allowed your opinion Dave, just as I am allow so I would appreciate you not calling my opinions and others a disservice. Again your are labeling people who disagree with some of your presentation, I am not defending v3.  I don't think it will serve anyone if I reveal my thoughts to some of your postings of late, so I will keep those thoughts to myself at this time. In other words, take the higher ground.
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As is the case in other Engineering disciplines, Software Engineering has a body of well-understood best practices. "Encourage direct feedback from users" is one such best practice. It follows that discouraging direct feedback from users is harmful. This is no more a matter of opinion than ensuring that the materials employed to construct a bridge have strength adequate for the projected load.

My posts here have exactly one motivation: to help Flex improve the quality of their software, for the benefit of the Flex user community and for the benefit of my fellow 3rd party developers.
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Mike - VE3CKO, Elmer

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Good intentions Dave but someone in a related thread recently said something about intentions. Please let's not hijack this thread, I just wanted to correct the record.
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Mike, you have yet to demonstrate that my posts have had anything but a constructive impact. After the first of my recent posts, I called Flex Engineering VP Steve N5AC to be sure he was taking them that way; he was.

You chose to hijack this thread; don't expect me to not respond to your posts when I strongly disagree with their content.
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I don't see anyone taking the low ground. It looks like you think if you praise Flex you are taking the high ground, if otherwise you are taking the low ground? What does "Elmer" mean after your call, Mike?
I have found being constructive is praising Flex. When I was critical of bugs 2.49 created,  I was told by another Mike I could be banned for not being constructive.
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Burt, regarding taking the high ground because of my praising Flex? Guess you haven't read all my posts, when I don't like something be it a feature, issue or post, I don't have any problem saying so. If I go overboard, I can admit when I make a mistake and apologize as I have done in the past. When I refer to me taking the high ground, I mean I will hold back saying what I think about the tactics of a couple of people who are relentlessly publicly targeting the management of Flexradio.
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In software engineering, publicly suggesting better ways of doing things is not "targeting the management"; it's a genuine attempt to help. 

High quality software developers and managers don't just accept constructive critique, they actively solicit it. Any engineer or manager who takes offense at constructive critique from their customers, prospects, or 3rd party developers wouldn't last long in a modern software business.


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update.... i moved back to 2.4.9 and now not even that will keep TX profiles. now i think the update did something to the 6600. i’m going to test the 2.4.9 on my laptop. just for information when i went back to V2 i removed everything including going through the registry to be sure there was nothing left behind. will update later today.
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just remember, when you down grade you need to do a cold restart! done same thing and radio was acting crazy and wouldnt save any profiles, several told me and even factory rep said to do that, i did and everything came right back to where it was before, saving profiles and all. hope that helps! 
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Done that, no good.  Went back to the V3 and set the max output to 40w (which is what I use for my amp)..  Flex please fix this and make this profile saving thing a option, not the default.....
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Well I did a full reset (push the power button till it turns white on power up) and that seems to have fixed the problem with profile savings in version 2.4.9....  If thats what you were referring too AB4RW, thanks for the tip.  I have known about that but totally forgot about it.  Five reboots and profiles are fine so far.
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That's what I was referring too. Glad it worked, I was getting frustrated also
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I updated SSDR last night, going from V1 straight to V3 so I don't have the V3-V2 comparison the rest of you have. Prior to installing V3 I did a complete (Tim's procedure) uninstall of V1 and feared the worst in regard to the saving of profiles and other parameters, connectivity with WSJT-X, etc. although I had exported and saved all this info including screenshots. I had several hours set aside to get things back to normal.

Within 20 minutes of beginning the whole process I was making contacts on the only modes I use, CW and FT8. Absolutely painless and my profiles and WSJT configs were intact - importing the exported files wasn't necessary.

After that, I downloaded Slice Master, SDR Bridge and CW Skimmer and now see what all the (good) fuss was about. Spots on the pan display, CW Skimmer decoding calls and CQ's, click to tune to them - love it!

If anyone else is still using V1 and is worried about skipping directly to V3, I say 'go for it'.

John AE5X
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The upgrade process was never in question, its profile thats the issue.  So, did you test all the issues that were pointed out in the post???
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John I had a similar positive upgrade experience. I personally do like the new TX Band Settings, having different amps for different bands and is quite welcome for my various operating conditions

Regarding the profile issue(s), it was officially addressed in the thread: Profiles with V3

Briefly summarized below:

Global Profiles and Persistence: "we have a fix for this that will be in the next release"
Mic Profiles and Different Clients: "Today these are not client specific . . . entered this as issue #738"

Right on top of things, good work!

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This fix you are talking about is ONLY for the Maestro. ->> "We do have a bug where Maestro via SmartLink will always revert to defaults (we have a fix for this that will be in the next release)."

Please post complete information and not mis-inform the community with wrong information. This still does not address the problem with smartsdr automatically saving profiles....
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Mike - VE3CKO, Elmer

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As stated I provided a BRIEF SUMMARY with the link to the official response. Geez, just click the bloody link so to read the full response. I suppose if I posted the full response I'd be criticized for that.
Point is their post obviously (at least to me) is that they are well aware of the issue and are addressing it and already have a fix for at least one the issues. Can't you see anything positive from that? I surely do, they listened to an issue that slipped by testing, and they acknowledged it and are addressing it. Again, good work guys.
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Many would not bother to read the entire post.  Just posting what you did would give the impression that there was a fix coming for this profile saving issue.  Just be clear when you post facts.  Too many just skim over a post and take away the wrong details.  Happens way too often. 
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Pros:  None observed

Cons:

Profiles do not graciously survive 2.4.9 / 3.0 upgrade and return ... If that is likely in your application, expect to be constantly fixing your 2.4.9 profiles.

Most people who like multi-op seem to be the operator of both "sites" or radios, e.g., using SSDR and Maestro concurrently for their own use.  It is of little use for radio sharing between two hams both of which may chance to get into a separate (and non-contest) QSO

Contesters are (very likely) a very small percentage of the user base.  The primary feature of this mod seems to be aimed at them.

At present, between windows and SSDR, I find myself doing more troubleshooting than I'd like to keep two radios, controlled by two operators on three different computers running.

"v3.0 included" caused me to by a "previously loved" 6500 (my fourth Flex radio).  The 6500 will serve us well but, had I worked with a mix of 2.4.9 and 3.0 before, "v3.0 included" would have not served as an incentive.