SSDR V3 Pros and Cons

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I have started this conversation as a method of understanding how V3 is doing in the real world.
It is NOT for bickering, do that somewhere else please.  If you can define (in a brief manner) what is good and what is not so good about V3 please do so.  Try to keep it in the Pro and Con
format.  Also tell us whether you have stayed with V3 or reverted back to V2.  Please try to keep it short without personal feelings.  This is again meant to be a productive thread for prospective buyers and Flex alike.  Your help is appreciated.  YES some of this information has been stated throughout the community BUT we all need it in one place,  Thanks again.
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I’ll copy my reply to another thread here,and modify it to fit the “Pro” / “Con” format:

Pro:
I upgraded to v3 because I wanted the ability to leave the “M” front panel connected while using the radio from other computers, Windows, Mac and iPad.

In the mean time, the ability to (relatively) easily go back and forth means I don’t need to sweat it :-) I’ll just stay on 2.4.9 until everything is ready to move to v3.

Con:
I would have stayed with v3 except for the fact I cannot run the Mac with it until xDax / xCat / dogParkSDR / MacLoggerDX are modified/upgraded to work with v3. As soon as they are, I will go back to v3.
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It is totally abnormal for new releases to make breaking changes in their API.

Ask Don VE3VRW when DogparkSDR will support v3.
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I finished the Client parser today (it will be used in MacLoggerDX and dogparkSDR).  it's working in both V3 and V2 - where it isn’t really needed but doesn’t do any harm. Supporting V2 and V3 at runtime is not trivial but we are committed to doing it. MacLoggerDX will be a few weeks but I can't promise a release date yet for dogparkSDR.

73 de VE3VRW Don Agro
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Well @AA6YQ, I guess you have never admin vSphere.  It is normal and expected for vendors to break third party apps every time a new update or patch is out.  

Vmware just released 6.7U2 and as usual it breaks Veeam. Veeam is critical for a production vSphere setup.  In the software world this is common.  

This is also why I never set up my flex to be controlled as smart sdr or flex, I alway use the Kenwood TS-2000 compatible mode.
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So your point is that because VMWare does a poor job of managing an API, it's ok for Flex to do a poor job of managing the SmartSDR API?

There are software companies that don't effectively test their products, or document them. Should Flex adopt those "worst practices" too?

If you meekly accept poor quality software, expect to receive more poor quality software.
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The whole idea of APIs is that they shield consumers from s/w modifications.  If an API has to be modified it is either versioned or written in a way to not break any current users.  
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Pro: None (for the general population)

Con: As far as I know, it does not offer any additional features for the "general population".

I've stayed with 2.xx until such time as additional feature are added, not related to a multi-client operating mode. I should note, I am 110% satisfied with 2.xx so this is not a complaint.
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If you run  digital modes and use a maestro, ipad, or second computer this does make a difference. The settings for the device you are on stays with the device. This alone is nice. Before this, I would have to make a bunch of setting changes every time I switched devices or operating modes.
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When V3.0 was first announced, I was disappointed also. But from several insightful posts of alpha team members, there’s very likely more to come in V3.x, i.e., the mirror function letting us use SSDR and M/Maestro simultaneously on the same slice/signal.  I’m quite sure that has broad appeal to the masses, and if/when it happens, even in a limited way, I for one will bite and and gladly pay up!

To me the major “plus” of V3 is what’s potentially the next step!

Howard
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Con
Stayed with V2 until SliceMaster works with V3 but even then reading about V3 from lists, I will stay with V2 as I see nothing in 3 that I would use.
Another con is that developing V 3 took resources that could have been used to fix or improve V2 which I use
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The potential next step is fine BUT . . . How long you gonna wait. Some of the issues have been issues for a long long time and have been ignored by FLEX. Lets just keep waiting. 

I just watched a video on the Expert MB-1 SDR and boy is that thing amazing. May be putting the flex on the back burner. 
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Bill, VA3WTB, Your characterization of Anan developers is lacking facts and could not be further from reality Bill. The Apache Thetis/PowerSDR Devs are dedicated and have frequently released firmware/application revisions within HOURS in response to field reports from users. In fact, with the major release of firmware Protocol 2 1.8 and Thetis 2.6.4 in progress right now, the Dev group is reacting in real time to address software/firmware issues as they are being reported by users, including myself. Updates arrive fast and furious. Adaptive Pre-Distortion, plus low latency live monitoring of transmitted signal, superior native TX audio speech processing, and unparalleled DSP noise mitigation remain the gold standard in Amateur Radio SDR. I'm not here to bash Flex, I am lucky enough to have and operate both the Apache 7000DLE and a Flex 6600. I love both of them, and each serve a specific purpose.

Jeff NJ2US   
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Jeff, I totally agree with you. Actually, I'll sell my 6600 and get a used 6500. Then I'll use the remaining cash to get an Anan 7000. Like I said, the Thetis/PowerSDR development team has been been more nimble with customer requests. It's funny because I've been hearing for the last 6 years, hey what if one of those developers retire or even die, who's going  to continue upgrading the platform? Well, they have been around for a long time and they are going strong and more developers are joining the team, including Simon Brown with SDR Console. 

The irony is that they are a bunch of volunteers doing that for free! I had an Anan 100D for more than two years. I loved it and saw amazing new features being added all the time. The only reason I sold it was because it lacked remote capabilities. Hence, that's why I'm planning to keep a Flex in the shack. Again, I totally believe Flex can do much better job. But, they need to start listening to the customers and prioritize SSDR updates accordingly. 

73,
Robert-KP4Y
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Just tired of all the issues that NEVER get corrected and when Gerald Chimes in it is the same Blah . . .Blah . . . Blah . . . Bugs and issues never seem to get fixed. DO you remember when the last time was that Flex came out with an Update that just addressed the issues everyone is complaining about. I don't . . . Squelch, NB, ANF, DSP, my intermittent network issues and just shutting down. I have a lot invested here and feel this is just BS that nothing gets corrected. Right now I have to connect to a remote site via Remote Hams to have a rag chew with my fellow hams because the noise mitigation sucks. My K3 it mitigates the same noise.Just new features. I don't know if I will still be alive when the issues get corrected. By then the 6xx will be obsolete and the 7xx will be out.
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Just as a counterpoint to the K3 versus Flex noise mitigation mentioned by Steve above, I also have both a K3/P3 and a Flex 6xxx. My antenna is in the attic (HOA) and on 80m I can’t hear a thing with the K3, but with WNB on with the Flex, I have no real noise issues from the house - it is (almost) all suppressed.

What this really points out is everyone has different noise, and different radios deal with it differently. That said, I’d love it if the NR on the Flex was better, but the WNB is outstanding for me.
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Well to be fair, 3.0 finally fixed the hissing/dropped audio that would happen randomly about 10-30 minutes after the radio is first booted. I guess the fix is due to a rewite of the audio subsystem.
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I will not be upgrading to V3.  I have two radios and I need to be excited enough to pay two fees.  Nope.

The simple fact is, whatever Flex' process for figuring out improvements is, it consistently leaves out the things I want.  Some of this is basic DXing functionality that makes it hard for me to recommend Flex to my DXing friends.  All of it are things I have asked for, off and on, since V1.  I do great things with this radio, but I have to fight it too often.

For instance, we need basic VFO emulation.  The first two slices need to have all of the A=B, A swap B, A is set to B, B is set to A kind of function that every other radio has.  When I do a right click to bring the second slice "nearby" the other slice, it picks an arbitrary, always wrong offset.  There should be a "DX Mode" where the other slice drops in at a useful-to-DXing offset from the one visible in the panadapter

For another, we need what PowerSDR had -- the ability to set filter widths to our own custom settings.  This is more than a nice to have when the DX is moving up by a fixed offset in a pileup that does not happen to match our settings.

Heck, I sometimes want to turn the panadapter off.  No such animal.  That can be hard on remoting.

None of what I want appears hard.  What I see, however, is that it never makes the cut.  I guess Flex sells to no DXers???

I don't like that third party software is breaking in V3 for no obvious reason.  I don't like how poorly Flex' ethernet interface is documented.  I, at least, can't make sense out of it.  I desperately wish they would have a telnet interface that closely emulated the USB one.  Then, I could do what I have done for the few little tools I have written -- look at Kenwood's documentation.

PowerSDR was not only free, it was more responsive to my needs.  This has been true for too many years now.
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Both you guys hijacked the thread...ON TOPIC?
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What are you talking about?  For me, V3 is all "con".  I see nothing whatever that makes me want to upgrade.  I think that's responsive to to thread title.  I am not bickering -- I am stating my requirements (requirements that Flex has, if they remember, known about for years, but yes, I am just one guy).
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And also take a look at the major firmware and software update recently released for the Anan radios. Did I say, it’s free! Granted, the work is being done by volunteers but they haven’t failed to deliver great results in many, many years. They keep lowering the latency more and more, less than 20ms now! And, talking about PowerSDR, Flex has failed to incorporate beam steering in SSDR.

73,
Robert-KP4Y
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DXLab Commander controlling SmartSDR v2 provides most of the functionality you seek, Larry.

https://www.dxlabsuite.com/dxlabwiki/FlexSignature

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I am holding off right now because In Canada, we have to pay much more for V3 them they do in the US.
PRO:
The features are not really all about contesting, there are lots of comments from none contesters finding lots of ways to use the features, Being able to have a clien running at both ends at the same time is huge.
This is simply the first install of V3, they will be refining it in the future with point updates.
And it sets Flex way ahead of competition, that's a good thing.

Cons:
From what I have read, the auto save is causing a problem for many.
At this time we can't hear the audio from each client connected.
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This is all EXTREMELY important feedback both for Flex and us users.  Please keep it coming.  Remember the point of this is too have all pertinent feedback in ONE place without bickering or debating.  All Pro and Con response is appreciated.  Keep it short and to the point.  Your input is important and highly valued.  Thanks again.
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The upgrade to 3 was included in my 6400M purchase last year so I did not have to make a choice as to whether or not I would spend money on it.

PRO: I do like the new feature where I can use both the front panel and the SDR software. I set the radio on an area I want to monitor and I can "keep an ear on it" even when I am in my upstairs office when I'm not in the shack.

PRO: I would imagine, but do not know for certain, that 3.x has some architectural enhancements that are laying the groundwork for additional improvements that would be problematic within the 2.x framework.

Tim N9PUZ
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Pro:
1. Ability to run the M front AND use SSDR for digital and other modes, very nice.
2. Setting of drive by band matrix, however this is negated by a con below

Cons:
1. The over writing of Profiles with no notice or confirmation, not a fan of this at all.
2. Lack of V3 support of 3rd party software
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I will not be upgrading to V3 at this time.  I might consider upgrading after a few more point releases and wide third party support.   However, if v2.5 comes out before that time I will most likely not upgrade until v4. 
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It's just me using the radio but being able to leave existing workflows running from my primary computer which also accessing remotely from Laptop or Maestro is a huge advantage for me. I will eventually get into contesting but the radio as-is is working well for me.

I do have some software compatibility issues but its to be expected as it will take a few months for 3rd parties to update their software.
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I have upgraded to V3.0 as it was a free upgrade.  I am using a CPO 6500 & CPO Maestro A, No external computer.

PROS: New Multi feature has many interesting features I am exploring.

CONS: Initially I had no complaints. 1. However, I have had one incident where the radio reverted to the select radio screen for no apparent reason.  I have to say this happened once with 2.4.9 also, so maybe not an issue.  2. The one thing that is important is that when using a cw message stored on the F keys, there is no sidetone when the message is transmitting.  Not sure why I cannot get the sidetone to run with messages.  Strange, since when sending with my key paddle, I do hear the sidetone. 3. Still not WBNB, NB, ANF, these really need to be addressed.  Everyday features need to be addressed, sooner than later.

My 2Cents, and still very happy with my decision to buy a Flex.

Gene, K1GD
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Just my two cents...

Pros:  None for my operation

Cons: Now we will need two different softwares each with their own updates and bug fixes.  It would be much better to offer an annual $ 99 license fee and keep us all on the same software. Two softwares will cuase loads of more software support and a great deal of customer support time.  I think most of us would pay $99 to keep our rigs current.  The extra revenue might help Flex address some of the older unresolved software issues people mention.
Cheers,
Ed W2PH
 
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Unless I hear about improvements to "specifications", noise reduction capabilities, or other things that make the TX and RX better I will be staying with V2.x.x. Not a contester.
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My experience is longer than most, as an Alpha Tester, so some things I initially thought were going to negative have shifted to Neutral or Pro as I have gotten used to the new work flow.  (I think that may be an important point for some.)

PROS: 
Multi-Flex allows me to leave the rig running, monitoring FT8, CW SKimmer, WSPR, or other modes, while at the same time I can log in from my laptop, iPad, or office computer down the road or in the next room and continue to make contacts remotely.

I like the TX Band Settings pull-down.  It brings a lot of those settings into view at the same time.  I have even grown to like the "save on the fly" for the TX Profiles.

They have refined the "auto-start" linkage with DAX and CAT so that it works much more smoothly.

They have lowered the bandwidth requirements for remote audio.  I am now able to remote to my office, even running two slices, with my home stations marginal uplink speeds of only 700 kbps.  BIG DIFFERENCE in remote performance at my station!

They have added several commands to the FlexControl Knob menu.

They reconfigured and tweaked the standard filter choices in the RX control panel and on the Slice Flag Pull-downs.

The filter drag icon that appears at the bottom of the panadapter with a "mouse over" now slides the filter width in accordance with the slice tuning step.  (but unfortunately not so with the icon on the RX Control Panel).  Still, a net plus.

They corrected the errors that crept in to V.2.4.9 (and these will be back-ported into V.2.5)


NEUTRAL:
I am neutral as to the "save-on-the-fly" for Mic Profiles.  I have gotten used to it, but would rather have a way to turn auto-save ON/OFF.  However.  I don't adjust my Mic Profiles much.  Rather than constantly changing the parameters on the Mic Profiles I simply have programmed several different profiles.  If I want one with more punch, I don't change settings, I change Mic Profiles.  So when I get a new mic, I will program my standard set - Rag Chew, DX, Contest, and "Really Punchy" and save them.  Then I switch between profiles rather than constantly turning PROC ON or UP, for example.

I would like to see some refinements in the Global Profile operation. For example, some say simply to use Global Profiles to save your RX EQ memories.  But since I gadfly about the bands and operate many different modes at random, sometimes at the same time on different slices, changing Global Profiles not a solution.  It does not allow a fast switch from SSB to CW when following a DX station from band to band and mode to mode and back.  it is a clunky way to run a multi-mode station.  I see Global Profiles as a way to change major configurations - i.e. from casual mode to Contest Mode;  From HF mode to VHF/UHF Transverter mode; From audio modes to four-band simultaneous FT8 monitoring mode; From home station to remote operation mode; from NM9P's favorite power user setup to my wife's occasional basic operation mode;  From Barefoot Mode, to Amplifier in line, or a different profile for different amplifiers, etc.

CON:
I could say "They haven't fixed a couple of my pet-peves yet."  

For example, I am still waiting for mode-specific RX EQ memories.  

Mirror Mode (the ability to use the Maestro or Front Panel to control the slices that are in use by SSDR) is not included yet.  But if I waited to upgrade until it was included, I would miss a lot of good time with the functions that it DOES have.

There could be some additional tweaking of the CW TX/RX timing/muting.  Though this is not a show-stopper for me.  (I am aware that others differ, so we don't need to argue about it.)

I think that there is still a need to revisit the DSP "Science Experiment" -- especially for ANF, NR, & NB.  But I have been pleased with either their function so far, or the work-arounds I use (TNF is a quick way to get a notch, when zoomed, you can visually move it to the right place and drag it to a new one of the carrier drifts.  It is powerful and does not distort the audio like almost every other ANF I have tried, even on PowerSDR.)

I am aware that there are some functions in some 3rd party software that do not/will not work until the 3rd party developers make the required changes.  I don't use those programs myself, so I cannot comment much about them.   I have another bunch that I DO use. And have had no problems with them yet.  

However, none of these CONs would keep me from upgrading, even if I were not an alpha team tester.  There was enough to get me interested.

This is some of my experience gleaned from several months testing before the official release.

I do not intend to diminish or denigrate anyone else's Pros & Cons.  It is simply my experience and opinion.  Your station may vary.

Ken - NM9P

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Ken I love reading things you write,,but man you have got to running out of ink soon...lol
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Absolutely no offense meant, but you do need to remember Bill, that Ken is a preacher :-)
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OT:  It is reported that a Methodist Bishop's wife once said to him: "Emerson, you talk too much!"  He replied "But I get paid to talk."  Her retort:  "Don't work so hard for your money!"  LOL

Guilty as charged.....sometimes....But I also believe in being complete and thorough!    
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Ted, very true,,Lol
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I wish people would stop posting threads like this.  Some people are making way too much out of this.  If you don't need V3, just don't buy it.  And if you do, buy it.  It's simple as that.  Everyone's wants and needs are different. 
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On the contrary, the value of the paid-for releases is a _significant_ part of the Flex value proposition.  Each owner will inevitably have to evaluate this to decide whether to stick with Flex as opposed to switching to a K3 or perhaps a 7610 where there is no upgrade discussion of this sort.

Speaking for myself, I would love to stick with Flex.  I have owned one since the SDR 1000 days.  I have a complex enough situation operationally and with hardware that switching would be a pain in the neck.  So, I _do_ care about the value proposition of these upgrades.

On the one hand, if the upgrades contain features most of us like, then the upgrades are probably worth it as our radio is effectively upgraded and made more "like new" over time.  If new releases work out this way for most of us, it is a clear benefit and worth the money.  It is something nobody else in the industry offers.  That is a clear benefit, when it happens. 

On the other hand, if most of what is offered in the release is _not_ a benefit to many/most owners, this is a _significant downside to owning a Flex_.  Yes, you can in theory sit on Version 1 forever if you like.  But, especially if Flex keeps breaking software compatibility between releases, there will come a point (maybe every other release?) where one must upgrade for the sake of third party software.  Many of us use a little or a lot of third party code.  In this scenario, the effective price of the radio is higher than the original sticker price because one ends up ponying up for software that one doesn't really value.  The longer one owns it (in this case) the more the radio costs.

In real life, we hope that at worst, it is in-between for most users.  That said, it has not been so for me.   I did not get much benefit out of V2 (though I am on it) and V3 seems farther afield still.

So, it is critical for us, for Flex, to know if these upgrades are really delivering to the existing user base.  It's tough, because SDRs have _always_ been, well, flexible and delivered to multiple constituencies in a way few radios do.  But, that doesn't automatically make a release interesting to me.
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One of the outstanding features of SmartSDR and Flex is the ability to remote easily. I would have purchased V3 had it the ability to bring up more than one remote on a PC, Maestro, or iPad/iPhone. It would be very nice for the client  to have geographic diversity. If it becomes an enhancement on V3, I will not hesitate to purchase it.


Jim, K6QE
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Note that you can connect to multiple remote radios with SmartSDR for Windows on v3.0.  ;)
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Bill -VA3WTB

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Eric, I'm sure I understand,,,how many?
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Ralph,

"I wish people would stop posting threads like this. " . . . "If you don't need V3, just don't buy it.  And if you do, buy it. ". .


I don't think you have read the opening post where Steve is asking for people's experiences; their pros and cons. 

Presumably, until you actually upgrade and get to using V3, you're not really going to know whether you "need" it or not, and hence whether to buy or not to buy.  A bit of a vicious circle unless it's one of the headline features which is driving you to upgrade.

Personally, I see no persuasive "for" arguments for me to upgrade.  However, I am a great one for wanting to tinker around with the latest and greatest, and I guess I am just looking for that one little feature that'll give me the excuse to go for it!  So, for me, a very useful, interesting and informative thread.

By all means, if the topic is of no interest, feel free not to read it!

Steve
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Pro:
Multi Client (aka: Multi Flex). Lets my app use unused panadapter(s) and waterfalls while running SSDR or the front panel on my M model 6600.
Con: DSP functions, ANF, NB, etc. along with several other basic features that have had issues since v1.x, still need improving.
The above Con's are the main reason I have not upgraded to v3. Instead, I will wait to see if they.finally receive the attention they have long needed since v1.x , when v2.50 comes out later this year. And hopefully, both v2.50 and v3.x will contain those improvements. Once they do, I'll buy v3.x.
Until then, I'll stay with v2.49, warts and all.
James
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I guess I'm far less a power user than other readers.  My V3 experience so far gives:
Pro: 
- I can now run my Maestro and 6600M at the same time so it seems like I have two radios.  Very nice.  

Cons:
- My 6600m and Maestro are both less than a year old and here I had to pay $200 to upgrade them.  What's next, a hardware upgrade for ten times that much?  New software eventually begets new hardware.
- I think Flex filters are very good, but I would like some attention paid to improving CW reception.  For example, get rid of ringing and maybe include something so by pushing a button you can zero beat a station. 
 Jim  AD0AB
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My single/simple Con for the moment:
I’m waiting until the first full documentation PDF for v3 is released: https://www.flexradio.com/downloads/

and in the meantime living vicariously through all the postings by early adopters! ;-)
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Still waiting on promised Squelch......a ANF that worked half as good as my non flex radios would be nice.
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V3 PRO: will not buy - unknown; but I'm not into sharing my shack (which walks a dangerous fine line of station control & Part 97.105/109, per me past OOC). 

PwrSDR & V1/V2/V3 CON: Until FLEX makes "SSB DSP NR/ANL" functional/usable (just parrot Icom/Kwood/Yasue) I will not buy any version of SmartSDR or upgrade beyond the 6300 that sits in a box. Fix the users (owners) biggest complaints, FIRST!

V1/V2/V3 CON: Flex has no scaled down "newbie mode" to help overcome a newbies monumental learning curve.Let the newbie learn in increments - when they are ready to move into MORE.  

FLEX CON: No 'Newbie" forum to tutor newbies into setup to first OPs (in all modes) [FLEX get some of the pompous guru's who worship all things FLEX to create PPT &  HOW-TOO video's. Then FLEX by 're-titling' these items create a newbie 1,2,3,4... library. You want to sell - then TEACH, how can you loose? 
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AH0U

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I think there would have been a lot less conversation here if the documentation had been issued along with the V3 software.... I’ll wait for the user manual before I make sent decisions
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Steve

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Thanks so far for anyone who has participated in this conversation.  It is really good to have all Pros and Cons in one place.  Hopefully those who are contemplating V3 will come here and read this to determine if V3 is something they want.  FlexRadio personnel can also get a lot of information and not have to go thru every message in the community.  It seems to have taken on the format of Pros, Cons and comments, which is fine.  Thanks again for all who have participated.  Looking forward to more comments, and again No debates please.  It is also clearly understood that there are many other wants and complaints about the software in general but this thread is about V3.  We all know that Flex SDR is a great platform or we would not own the radios.  Before it is said there is always room for improvement which will hopefully come in a timely manner.  73's to all
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The V3 software is wonderful. Upgrade process is bulletproof and so easy compared to my old ANAN 200D protocol boot loader nonsense. The ability to have multiple radio sessions at the same time in different rooms is amazing. My Flex 6600 hardware is rock solid running V3. Have had no problems with the new version.
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W2NER

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The Anan upgrade process is a cake walk so, not sure what you're doing wrong.  However, Please keep your post on point to issues with V3 not tossing stones at any other manufacturer. 
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Bill -VA3WTB

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Yea, nothing out there as slick as the flex for updating.
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NA5RF

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W2NER, the point is, in answer to the original poster on Pros and Cons of upgrading to V3, the upgrade process going from 2.4.9 to V3 on my new Flex 6600, Windows workstations (7 and 10), and Maestro V2, was significantly easier than "other" manufacturers, and it doesn't come with multiple bootloader versions, bricked radios, unhandled exception errors, and locked up HPSDR apps.

The fact that Flex adds the radio firmware payload automatically in the SSDR installation application to force software configuration management between the radio and SSDR app and also warns you if they are different versions makes for a much more reliable installation. 
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Kari Gustafsson SM0HRP, Elmer

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My "radio needs": Work remotely, in my house or from my country side house, all DX station on all band slots + enjoy demanding contests + share my radio with my son and hams with HOA restrictions.

PRO: V3 adds more value to my radio needs. Multiple clients is great. A major step forward.

CON: I see none expect some intial bug fixes as usual.

I guess I am so much fascinated with the remote radio operation that Flex so easily provides compared to the competition that I do not care of all the other issues not yet being fixed as some point out. And honestly, they have never stopped me from really enjoying ham radio they way I now do.

Yes I am spoiled with good antennas on a rural remote island with only S1-2 noise on 160-80 meters. Three towers and a fully equipped SO2R station. Guess this makes me a little bit biased.

Keep up the good work Flex!

Happy Easter to you all.
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