SSDR 2.3.7 "zoom to Segment" & VE7CC spot support

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@Steve H., I jotted some notes at the Flex dinner about V2.3 features.  

Questions:
1 - don't see the "zoom to segment" segment in V2.3.7.  Am I overlooking it or is it planned for a future release?

2 - SPOTS - I uses VE7CC but not any of the other 3rd party apps mentioned in the release notes.  Did I hear incorrectly or is VE7CC still planned?

Regards,  Al / NN4ZZ  
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Al,

In SmartSDR for Windows, the Segment Zoom feature can be assigned to the FlexControl.  On Maestro, 6400M, and 6600M, the Segment Zoom feature can be assigned to the Function buttons.

Today you will have to use another 3rd party program to use the VE7CC cluster.  The standalone VE7CC software does not utilize the spots integration API to the radio today.
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Hi Abed,
Thanks for the FlexControl tip, must have missed that.   It seems like if would be more convenient and consistent if there was a "SEGMENT" button on the main SSDR Screen.  Is that planned?




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Abed,
Is adding VE7CC planned for spots in a future V2.3.x release?   Or did I quote Steve incorrectly?

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Hi Abed,
I've been using the FlexControl button to "zoom to segment"  but it is actually a number of extra steps in my setup.  I normally have the FlexControl knob set to control the slice volume. 

So here are the 4 steps needed every time I zoom out and in.

1 - click the button to "zoom out" which also disables the knob for slice volume
2 - click the button to return the FlexControl knob to slice volume
..... look around the band
3 - click the button to "zoom in"  which also disables the knob for slice volume
4 - click the button to return the FlexControl knob to slice volume

Let me know if I'm doing something incorrectly.  But again, it would be so much easier and more consistent to have the "zoom to segment" button on SSDR like the mockup below.   Right next to the Zoom to Band button.

Also since pressing the "zoom to segment" button doesn't really require a change to the knob's function, maybe you can consider not affecting the current knob setting. 



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I'd settle for a right-click on the band button for zoom to segment.
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Hi Ed,
Yes a "right click" that would work fine also.  It may not be as obvious as having a "S" button and may be more of a training issue but either one would be better than having to press the FlexControl button 4 times.  Another idea to go along with your right click suggestion that might be easy is to change the button from "B" to "B/S"



Any of these ideas would also give people that don't use a FlexControl a method to access the "zoom to segment" feature.

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Hi Al,
zoom to segment is the small "B" button bottom left.

SliceMaster works spotting on the screen.

I connect to telnet://hrd.wa9pie.net:8000 to get my spots.
The VE7CC spot collector does not seem to work (?)

Update: The CC user program works.

Vy 73, Alex - DH2ID
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Hi Alex,
I'm using CC User.  How do I configure it to send spots to SSDR?  

I'm not using any of the other 3rd party programs except SDR-Bridge for CW Skimmer. 

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IMPORTANT: Use the newest SliceMaster version 0.10.4c

Download from https://github.com/K1DBO/slice-master-6000/releases
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 Al, AFAIK only the DXLab commander and SliceMaster can send DX spots to SSDR.
I only tried CC User, because I could not get a connection to VE7CC from SliceMaster.
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Alex,
Since I'm using SDR-Bridge for both the CW Skimmer interface and to control my second FlexControl, I'm reluctant to add another third party app (e.g. SliceMaster) where the only thing I would be using is the spot integration.  

I prefer to keep the number of third party apps to a minimum.  I would rather see more of the functionality in SSDR with a way to simply connect VE7CC or similar to SSDR.  Or get the spots from SDR-Bridge since I'm already using it.  

I sent an email to Ed (SDR-Bridge) to see if he is planning to add spots.   

Another option is to wait and see if Flex will add support for multiple FlexControls or the megaControl and then I'd consider moving to SliceMaster. 

Idea to add Multiple FlexContol Support from SSDR
https://community.flexradio.com/flexradio/topics/add-support-for-2-or-more-flexcontrols-from-within-...

Idea for a "next generation" FlexControl with more knobs and buttons
https://community.flexradio.com/flexradio/topics/maestrocontrol-the-next-generation-flexcontrol

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Slice Master will read spots from any telnet cluster node and send them via the API to the radio.
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Anything after the ? is sent to the cluster as a command after the login sequence completes.  Does the cluster you are connecting to support the 'sh/dx' command?
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It does, i actually tried sh/dx and sh/dx/120 and tried different servers. Didn't work in any. The idea is to pull the spots already sent and not have to wait for new ones to start populating the panadapter. Thanks for the work on Slice Master!
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That's a regression.  I just confirmed it here.  I'll try to get the fix into the next release.

..and you're welcome!
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Does Slice Master recognize Flex 6xxx radio that are connected via Smartlink?

It does not seem too as I connected to on Smartlink Flex 6700 from my laptop at home but it only recognizes the local 6500 on my LAN.  Under the ... tab looking at Radio pane the only radio showing is the 6500 on the LAN.
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Slice Master does not connect to radios via Smartlink.  
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Hi Alex,
Just saw this on Facebook....so it sounds like there will be direct access to contact the cluster servers at some point.  




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When did the word "tentative" (not certain or fixed; provisional.) get translated to planned?  Al, please do not set unrealistic expectations by changing the meaning of what I write.  Thank you.

We have a process by which any feature request or program change makes it into the released software.  We will discuss the merits and the value proposition of doing a new feature.  Discuss how it would be implemented from a technical perspective and then make an informed business decision on whether or not we'll do it.

This process has not happened for telnet based spots in SmartSDR, so at best it is, as I said, tentative.
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Tim, I'm not sure how Al set unrealistic expectations. Your message said " There is a tentative plan," your words, not Al's. We all understand that "tentative" means we may never see it. 
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Hi Jon,
Yes I took Tim's "tentative plan" comments that way also.  A tentative plan is a plan that may or may not ever happen but is it still a plan.

Tim,
I don't have any expectations beyond that although it would be nice to see it happen.

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Al, you wrote "...is planned for a future release.." does not convey that your expectation that the possible feature was tentative.  Or are you pulling a Bill Clinton and need to know what the definition of "is" is? ;-)
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Tim,
Maybe we already know this.... ;-)



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Sorry for the Noobie question, but I'm trying to use VE7CC from N1MM, but the telnet window tells me that when I attempt to log in, VE7CC responds with my call sign is unknown.  How do I set up an account in VE7CC?

Thanks.

Don

Update:  OK, by downloading the VE7cc client and attaching that way, I think it now recognizes my log in.  But I'm not seeing spot info on either the direct client, N1MM or SSDR.  What am I doing wrong?  Help!

Further Update:  Not exactly sure what I did, but after restarting N1MM and waiting about 30 secs, it started displaying spots on the telnet window.  Once that started working, then started up SSDR and 'reset the radio' in N1MM and now spots are starting to show up on SSDR.  one at a time, but at least they are showing!  Great!  I'll see if I can put together some docs on how mine is set up for others.

/drt
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Zoom to Segment -- added in V2.3.9

Much better with the "Zoom to Segment" button added to the panadapter.  Thanks...



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Sure would be nice if Zoom to Segment was user programmable.  Looks like about 150 khz now.
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Hi Jim,
I can see the advantage but I suspect it would be a lot more programming effort. For example on 20M CW I like to zoom out to 14.000 to 14.060 instead of the full CW segment. I doubt it will happen but anything is possible.

Regards, Al / NN4ZZ