Sneak Peak of Smartlink

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Thanks Tim! This gets me more prepared for the upcoming release. Interesting date on the cover page...

Jim

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Ria - N2RJ, Elmer

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Might be a good time to make sure your router can handle it. Otherwise, it's almost go time :)
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Chris DL5NAM

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...what are the needs for the router? Cant see/read any details.
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Ria - N2RJ, Elmer

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You need UPnP enabled OR you need manual port forwarding. In the case of manual port forwarding the smartlink chooser will let you know which ports to forward.
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It must have the Ports Forwarded required for remote access of the Flex 6xxx.
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OK tnx info - nothing special ;-)
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Tim - W4TME, Customer Experience Manager

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Correct.  Nothing out of the ordinary ;-)
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Michael Aust

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To be or not to be is the question ?


To remote with VPN and SoftEther or to remote via V2.0 is the real question ?


For VPN with Rasberry Pi and SoftEther on a DSL line (which needed higher 

speeds in the upload ).


My question is just between the two ways of doing it

and if V2.0 had less of a demand on resources.


Maybe my question is everything minimized to minimum

Can I conclude V2.0 might give and advantage to those of the edge

that have slower data rates.


Be nice if someone noticed any differences.


No one has said anything, but would be interesting to compare the two

ways of Remoting and resources needed with your Internet Provider

into your remote controlled Flex6xxx and performance differences and

if V2 might be more efficient than VPN in certain situations with slower

speed slug DSL.


73 Mike

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Tim - W4TME, Customer Experience Manager

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Both ways of skinning the cat result in a skinned cat.  There are bandwidth management features you can get with SmartLink that are not available using a VPN solution.  There is less network overhead with SmartLink than with a full VPN connection since only the necessary data gets encrypted.  
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Tim,

  Like that answer for V2.0, looking for that slight edge when speeds

get slower on the Rural Fringes of Slug Slow DSL Internet Providers.

73 Mike


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The real advantage of smartlink is zero configuration. Just create an account, pair and go. It is also the only way to get maestro connected remotely without another vpn client box.

You can also allow others to use your radio without giving access to the whole network and without a bunch of messy firewall rules.

For me though, it's a small piece of the puzzle. I am looking forward to the other improvements that it brings later such as multi client.

Ria
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Ria & Michael

Have slow DSL here with a BufferBloat from dslreports with an F grade.

Will the IQrouter help?

With a Single Panadapter, everything minimum, can run SoftEther 
VPN, with RasPi at home, but audio stutters sometimes at remote location 
Starbucks (coffee shop) Wi-Fi

Hoping V2 helps a little as well, using 1.9.13 here SSDR

My dslreport below

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The IQRouter will help a little with buffer bloat but the fundamental issue are your speeds. Is there any other provider you can use that offers better speeds?

Mack
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As Mack said it will help some.  I suspect your experience with the VPN running remotely will be about the same as when using SmartLink.  Having at least 1 mbps up is the recommended minimum upload bandwidth for an adequate user experience.  You can do it with less, as you have noted, but also as Mack said, it is a bandwidth issue too.

One thing to point out is the "saw tooth" pattern on your uploads.  That is indicative of your ISP doing bandwidth throttling on your upload bandwidth.  So there is capacity, you may be able to have your ISP provide some more upload bandwidth.
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It has been a long time coming, release 2.x please.

Jeff

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Richard McClelland, AA5S

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I notice that Tim purged all references to the Flex 6800/6800M in this document :-) 
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Assuming you meant 6400 or 6600, nothing was purged.  None of the user documentation, other than announcements and flyers, has been updated with the new model numbers.

These How To guides have been written from the point of view of existing radios in the field.  When the newer models begin to ship an appropriate general overhaul of the documentation will take place. The new models will be added to the documentation, no models will be removed.
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First I've heard of the 6800M, but doesn't surprise me.  I'm guessing my 6700 will be  weeping resale value soon.
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It's a joke. I don't think such a creature exists yet.
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A 6800M would make sense.  Two slices available on its internal display, and 8 slices available on an external display.  Include in the improved Contest Filters, two transverter ports, HDMI port(s), and keep VHF.  
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They said it was going to be out in June... Just didnt say what year. 
Is there an update on that?
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Since the Quick Start Guides are out it is getting very close :-)
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K1UO - Larry

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Maybe Monday as that will match the date on the recently released Documents.   ;~)
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Makes sense Larry, and to answer Jays' question above, the year is 2017 Jay.
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Jay Spaulding

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I was told June at Dayton. And it's passed. Just wondering.

So we have it June 2017 gotcha.
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Steve - N4TTY

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Was that a misprint where it said you wouldn't have to buy a license if you purchased your radio after May 2007? Was it supposed to be May 2017?
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After May 19, 2017
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It's a typo.  the year is 2017.  We'll get it fixed
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My experience with Softether VPN with a Pi has been hit and miss with remote WiFi connections. I have tested with about 15 WAN WiFis and have had about 20% success rate. I can always connect with my AT&T cellular service. I have played with the Waterfall rates and other parameters that eat up bandwidth and they do help the quality of the experience.

Jim

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Ria - N2RJ, Elmer

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I haven't had such a problem. I'm able to connect everywhere where ports aren't heavily restricted.
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The Gurus at Flex looked into their crystal ball when they were figuring out when Vers 2 was going to be released and the crystal ball said Ju, but they couldn't see it cleary. So it it must have been July not June they were seeing.
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The one thing I noticed missing from the documentation provided was any sort of description of how to hook up the radio to use Smartlink from a hardware PoV (i.e. what cables go from what jacks to where).  I know this may seem obvious to a majority of us here, but for newbies, there is no hint/nor diagram of how to hook things up.  Is this going to be in another doc?  It would make sense (to me at least) to have a 'how to connect your radio for SmartLink" section at the beginning of the doc, with a diagram.
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You do not need any additional or new physical cables to use SmartLink

Same as the existing connection as long as your radio is connected to the Internet
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As long as the radio and PC or Maestro are on a network with Internet nothing else needs to be connected.

Your router needs to either support uPNP or you will need to do manual port forwarding in the router to the radio.
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There is nothing to hook up.  If your radio is connected to your network and your network has access to the Internet, you are 1/2 there.  If your router supports the very common UPnP feature and your Internet upload bandwidth is at least 500 kbps, it's a done deal, you're good to go.
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A simple block diagram showing a radio connected to a home LAN, operated by a PC in the LAN and also connected to by a PC outside of the LAN (one at a time right now) would do the job, I think.  It's a good point.  Some of us are so close to topics like this we can't imagine that it's not obvious to others.
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I wonder how many ports will need forwarding? I only have a couple free currently.
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Two, one TCP, one UDP.  The radio uses ports 4994 and 4993 respectively in the internal net.  I've forwarded the same ports on my router to the radio and it works just fine.
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You do not forward physical ports on the router. Ports in this case refer to TCP protocol.

Look at the model of your router and search online if it supports uPNP. If it does then no port forwarding needs to be done.

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Confusion of terms unfortunately.  We're talking about this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_forwarding and this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firewall_pinhole.

None of this will be an issue for users whose local router/firewall supports Universal Plug N Play (UPnP).  
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An easier way of saying all of this:

Plug in the radio straight to the router like you would do a Roku or other internet appliance then follow the quick start guide for SmartLink to enable the radio's remote capability. This is really all you need to do for most consumer routers in the default, out of box configuration.

Unless your radio is connected directly to your computer, it should have been set up this way already.

If you're having problems, look in your router documentation for instructions to enable UPnP.  For most people that would fix most SmartLink issues. 

Of course, you're more than welcome to ask questions here... but I think for most this should be easy pickings.

Ria
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Thanks, Ria... but for the complete newbie, we need to be even MORE precise as in "Connect an Ethernet cable from the LAN socket on the back of the radio to an available socket on your router. Then, you may either connect your PC directly to the router using a similar cable and available port on the router, or you may connect your PC to the radio using a wireless connection."  << and include a diagram >>.  BTW, my router has 2G and 5G capability.  I'm assuming 5G would be better?
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BTW, my router has 2G and 5G capability.  I'm assuming 5G would be better?

Maybe.  5G has higher throughput but is more susceptible to signal attenuation due to things like walls.