SmartSDR 1.6 Profile Changes - a sneak peek

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With the upcoming release of SmartSDR v1.6 release, one of the major areas addressed was the refactoring (a fancy development word for completely redoing) of the Profiles feature.  In versions of SmartSDR prior to 1.6, there were two types of profiles; Global and its associated TX profile.  We determined that this profile architecture was not optimally configured for operating in a workflow optimized (aka "contesting") manner.  So we went back to the drawing board and made some significant changes.

1. You can now delete Default profiles.
2. Transmit profiles have been split into Transmit and Mic profiles.
3. CW Settings are no longer stored in profiles.
4. Mode changes now load a “linked” Mic Profile.
5. TX Antenna changes now load a “linked” Transmit Profile.
6. Transmit profiles now save power settings for all bands.

In order to better assist you in understanding the changes and how the linked profiles interact with the radio state, Ed, KG5FBT the "Profile Master" has written a how to guide that describes the Profile changes and interaction in greater detail along with with some examples.  In preparation for the release of SmartSDR v1.6 the week of January 10th, we are making the SmartSDR Profiles How To Guide available to you now so you have a chance to review it and get a sneak peek into the details of how this updated feature operates.
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Ken K7YR

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Thanks Tim !.  Looking forward to this great addition.

Ken K7YR
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Thanks for the publication of the guide. Will it be possible to reinstall a default profile after deleting it?
Mni tnx es 73 de Guy G4DWV/4X1LT
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Yes, by resetting the radio back to factory defaults
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So they are completely deleted instead of a hidden setting so they don't display in a listing but could easily be restored without a reset?
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You can also backup your profiles and restore deleted ones from your backup
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David.  Deleted is deleted.  This is aspect of profile management has not changed.  As Howard said, it is a best practice to backup your profiles so if they are deleted, you can recover them.
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The wording that describes deleting default profiles may be a little confusing.  In prior releases, one could not delete a default profile.  In 1.6, one can delete a default profile.  If they are in your way, if you don't want them around, you can delete them.

If you do a "factory reset", all of the profiles you may have stored in the radio are cleared.  The default profiles are restored.  You can't edit the initial state of those profiles and you can't prevent the software from restoring them on a reset.

When profiles are imported, they are added to the radio.  If an imported profile has the same name as an existing profile, the imported value overwrites the existing value.  This means you can overwrite default profiles on an import.  But for the sake of keeping things transparent and understandable, it would probably be best to save modifications to default profiles to new profiles with different names.
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KC2QMA_John

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Keep up the great work FRS!
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Rick Zach

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Thank you! Any word on band edge markers?
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I am afraid that feature did not make it into SmartSDR v1.6
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Each release makes me feel like a kid a Christmas!  I can't wait.

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Each release makes us feel like the parent who stays up to 5:30 am Christmas morning putting the toys together.
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Well put
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Ken - NM9P

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Nice!  Thanks...  any word about RX EQ linked to mode?
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Yes, look at the parameters for the MIC profile which is mode dependent.  RX EQ is included.
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I see a reference to TX EQ and levels, but not RX EQ. If so, I will be very happy not to need to adjust RX EQ every time I go to CW and back to SSB!

I really like the idea to separate transmit profiles from Mic profiles and link mike profiles to mode. Very nice move!

Linking transmit profiles to antenna selection is also very nice. I hadn't thought of that, but it makes excellent sense.

Eagerly waiting the new release.
So far we have seen advance info about DAX/CAT and profiles. Both of which I think will be very nice additions!

Any more goodies in the package you can tease us with?
Santa has been very busy!
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Tim,

Does Flex recommend starting over with new profiles after installing v1.6, or will folks be able to reload their old profiles and then fine tune them?  
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I'll need to check on the RX EQ settings.
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Hi Tim,
I had the same question and didn't see RX EQ listed in the Mic profiles table.  Did I miss it somewhere else in the doc?.  My interest is for CW use to peak the audio (and never use a microphone here)  so was wondering where it would be in the new scheme.  



Regards, Al / NN4ZZ  
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RX EQ is stored in the Global profile.
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Chris beat me too it.
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Thanks Chris, that works for me.  Probably worth a note in the next version of the guide.

I.e. RX EQ moved from a MIC profile setting in V1.6

Regards, Al / NN4ZZ  
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Unfortunately that doesn't help me much.
If I say " I am going to work some CW today for a couple hours" then it is ok. I will set my Global CW profile and off we go in search of CW signals.

But if I say "I am going to hunt national parks on the air wherever they are" and jump from band to band and mode to mode wherever the spotting network leads me, then having RX EQ linked to a global profile is no help because choosing a global profile changes a pan, frequency and mode. It must be selected before clicking a CW spot. Unless I have not understood how global profiles has been changed.

Most people I know use different RX EQ settings based upon mode. It would be better to have it linked to the mode so that we can enhance reception of SSB, CW, rtty, am, fm, and fdv individually as needed, because each mode may need a different type of enhancement.

In any case. I am sure there will be plenty in the new release to keep me busy!
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Your feedback is appreciated and noted.
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Aside from this small issue, ther is a great deal that excites me about what I have heard about the upcoming release. I have read the profiles manual and am preparing to read the Dax guide posted just a little bit ago. It all promises to expand capabilities and simplify interfacing in ways that none other have done in two years. And I haven't even heard about some of the other contest-specific enhancements.

So I certainly don't want to cast any wet blankets! I am very impressed with everything else I have heard.

Thanks for a huge effort!

Ken - NM9P
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Hi Ken,
Been thinking about the RX EQ.  Although it works for me as a CW only OP, I wonder if this idea makes any sense for other users.

  • Rename MIC profiles to Audio profiles
  • Move RX EQ back to the new Audio profiles
  • User could establish an Audio profile for CW (where we could set up the RX EQ that we use)
  • Continue with the microphone profiles here as well as the RX profiles

Like I said, I don't use the other modes so not sure if this would work for you.  Just thinking out loud.  This seems easier than establishing a whole new set of RX profiles linked to the mode, etc.   What do you think?.  

Regards, Al / NN4ZZ  
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I had voted to keep CW in the profiles and rename the Mic profiles as Mode profiles.  My feedback was also appreciated and noted.  :)
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Chris,
MODE or AUDIO -- either works for me.  Since the parameters deal with audio settings in general I picked AUDIO but MODE works too.

Maybe something to consider to the next release. 

Regards, Al / NN4ZZ  
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Hey, that's good, Al. If one of the audio profiles can be CW and the audio profile is linked to the mode, as the new mic profiles are, then the RX EQ could be linked to the mode through the audio profile. (Mic profile in v.1.6).

This would bring additional flexibility, because when I change from my rag chew audio profile to my DXing audio profile to my contest narrow profile, then each one would have a corresponding RX EQ profile. I like that! Because I usually have a flat RX EQ when rag chewing, and a small high frequency boost available, but not turned on, for DXing, and a more aggressive high frequency boost available during a contest. Having these linked to the "audio" profiles, including one for CW that allows a full boost at 500 Hz and all the rest dropped to the bottom, would be even better than merely linking the RX EQ directly to the mode. Because I could change it along with my Mike (audio) profile.

I like it a lot! Thanks, AL.

Ken - NM9P
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Not having CW as a profile will cause me many issues for club Field Day this year or when 2.0 lands with multi-user logins.   A CW Op’s personal settings is as unique as a voice Op.   All of my club CW ops who do the group events have individual tastes on their CW settings.   Each one had their own profile on the radios we use. They all prefer their own tone value, speed, audio shift, balance, QSK value (some like it some don’t) and sidetone volume.   All of this is gone now and they have to share a common setting.

Please let us have this in profiles again.
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Hi Chris, I don't think your issue and the idea that Al and I were discussing are incompatible in any way.

My concern is only for linking RX EQ to the Mike/audio profile. I don't care where the rest of the profiles are located because I don't change them all that much, except for speed. So I am happy to have the other parameters profiled wherever it suits the needs of other ops such as yourselves. I just would like a Mike/audio profile that links RX EQ to the mode, whether CW, SSB, am, FDV, fm, etc. and if I can link multiple RX EQ settings via multiple Mike/audio profiles, so much the better.

If one of your ops wants a particular RX EQ set up wi their personal CW profile, they can save an audio profile called "CW Chris" or "CW Bob" and link that to their personalized global profile. The first time they select it while in CW mode, then it will remain associated to the CW mode in the same way that a Mike profile is associated to SSB or am in the anticipated v.1.6.

The more I discuss this option, the more I like it. And I think it work in your case as well. Am I missing something?
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Global profiles would work technically, but it makes for not very graceful Op changes. If FRS doesn't consider putting it back, this will be my only recourse.

Global profiles may be the better fit for multi-user in 2.0 anyway, so I guess time will tell.
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RX and TX EQ Enabled flags and Levels are stored in MIC profiles.  When a Global profile is invoked, each slice defined in the Global profile is set to the mode recorded for that slice.  If one of the slices has the TX flag, the MIC profile that was associated with that mode at the time the Global profile was saved is also invoked.  Sounds messy, but in practice it works intuitively.

If you define different slices to operate in different modes using different MIC profiles, then the MIC profiles will change as you move the TX flag from slice to slice.  Again, this might seem messy, but in practice it behaves in a predictable way.
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"...in practice it behaves in a predictable way."

This is dead on correct.  I defined a PSK31 mic profile and regardless of band (once it is set up) any time I change a slice's mode to DIGU, the radio configures itself for PSK.  Change the slice mode to USB and my PR40 mic profile is loaded.   I do not have to select a profile to do this, it just happens automagically.
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Dave, I really like the way you are describing the way MIC profiles work, it sounds like I can have a slice on 75 SSB with a rag chew profile, a slice on 15 SSB with a DX profile, and a slice on 60 meters SSB with a mild but slightly narrow profile and they will automatically switch according to which one is RX actice? Neat!

My main issue is whether the RX EQ will switch according to my mode when I change a slice from SSB to CW. By clicking on a spot? Please describe what you mean by the RX and TX EQ are stored in MIC profiles....
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This is almost how it behaves, but not quite.

The profiling works with modes.  You can have a different Mic profile on LSB and one on USB.   If you move the TX flag to a slice with in USB mode, it will recall the last profile that was used on USB.  Same when shifting to LSB.

My usage is I have a Mic profile called "Digital" and then the rest of my real microphone profiles.   When I move the TX flag to DIGU, the profile switches to Digital, and DAX and related settings are ready.   If I click the TX flag on my USB Slice, it recalls my RadioSport profile I last used.   The persistence isn't Mode+Band, just Mode specific.

TX EQ settings are stored in the Mic Profile.
RX EQ settings are stored in the Global Profile.  I tested this earlier.
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I tested and confirmed Chris' comments above.  The RX EQ settings are stored in the Global profile, as far as I can tell.  This means we have some documentation errors to correct, which is unfortunate.

The situation concerning the relationship of MIC profiles to Modes is a bit messy to describe in words, but again, it makes good sense in practical use.  It is unfortunate that SmartSDR has evolved in a way so that both modes and "sub-modes" are displayed by the program in the various menus as if they were equivalent.  But they are not.  LSB and USB are variants of SSB mode and as such are bound together to a MIC profile.  A MIC profile bound to USB is also bound to LSB.  DIGU and DIGL are similarly one mode.  FM, NFM and DFM are one mode, etc.

Like Chris, I have a MIC profile for my PR781 and another for Digital Modes.  When I switch any slice between voice and digital modes, the MIC profile follows.  I have a third MIC profile for PR781 DX usage, which changes the TX EQ for better pile up "penetration".  That profile is not used directly by any Global profile in my setup, but I can switch it in as needed very conveniently.
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Thanks you for the detailed explanation!/documentation!!
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Great idea releasing the docs first.  Since I can't play with the new version yet, I'm actually reading the docs. ;-)
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I agree with Robbie.  Releasing the documentation prior to the software is stimulating folks to actually read the documentation.  I'll admit, I'm the type that will normally discard the documentation and fly by intuitiveness until something goes terribly wrong.  At that point, I'll get on the web and search for my answer.  If that fails, I'll reluctantly open the documentation!   I'm probably the only person on here that does it this way, right?

I thoroughly enjoyed both the video and the documents.  Thank you!
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Nope, Norm - that's my SOP.
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My luck holds true - my new radio is still on its way to me and a new release of the software is almost released.
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Hi Bill,  please order a radio around Dayton...  I need the 2.0 WAN feature about then.

Congrats on the new rig.



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Subsequent releases will no longer require any operator intervention at all, we have all been replaced. Resistance is futile.
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Default Profiles and all others can be exported individual or in bulk.  This is also true for importing them. I have saved all the default profiles as a separate export. If I wish to put it back I can import it from that backup with out losing your current profile set. Just don't delete the that Config file with your defaults in it or you will have to do a reset. It is manageable with no loss of your profiles. 

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Also you can Rename the profile/memory file and load them back in. 
So keep your master as MyDefaults or some such nonsense... 

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