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Does anyone here like to use SSDR  for radio control and panadapter display but use Remote Rig units for their CW and SSB remote access?  I would like to get in touch with someone who has interfaced the remote rig setup with their 6XXX series Flex radios.
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Larry  K1UO
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I would also
Please let me know what you find out
Thanks   w5ap@arrl.net
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I don’t have my flex yet, but have been running RemoteRig with my Icoms for several years if you need help configuring them.

Charlie KB8CR
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Thanks for the offer Charlie.  I used to use them with my remote when i had K3 radios.   Iam wondering if they would be a good substitute to let me use my cw paddles and headset  remotely instead of needing a Maestro.   I can VPN the radio control and panadapter info back via SSDR.
Just thinking of eliminating the Maestro yet use my paddles for remote cw through a set of these RemoteRig units!   If it can be done.
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I am certain it can be done. (One of the reasons I'm keeping my RemoteRig boxes even though I'm getting a Flex 6400).  You can use just the paddle CW connections, that and VoIP audio, or all + CAT.  SmartLink looks like it will do everything I want except for paddle CW without a Maestro. One of the people on this forum is testing an application to run paddle cw from a PC without Maestro. I am going to beta test for him. There are other solutions (Winkey Remote; IW7DMH's Arduino-based remote CW server) but I'm sure Flex can integrate it into SSDR/SmartLink easily. But until then, I intend to use my RemoteRig boxes to send paddle CW remotely.

73 de Charlie KB8CR
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I see no reason to use remote rig.

First with both SSDR for PC and iOS SSDR you have the CWX window which is very easy to use and sends great CW.

If you are a purist and can't stomach the idea of typing in CW then this would be an alternate, potentially cheaper solution than remote rig:

https://iw7dmh.jimdo.com/utilities-for-remote-operations/sw-keyer-for-remote-operations/

Also SSB works natively with both SSDR PC and iOS... So again for that I can't see why you would want to complicate the setup with remote rig.
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I agree that Enzo's Arduino board would be great. But I'm not sure I have enough knowledge about programming or the Arduino to make one. I guess I'm a "purist" when it comes to CW. :-)

Charlie KB8CR
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I am not a cw purist and really do not need to be one to want to use my own cw paddles and radiiosport headset remotely rather than a Maestro for example.  Also I already need to use my VPN to remotely control the 6600/PGXL combo via SSDR just to use FT8  and just wanted a nice /clean simple way to do cw/ssb also with a small box set I am already familiar with (just with K3 radioos so far).  CWX is an option as you say and so are a few other methods, but that was not the scope of my question.  Thanks for your input  however.
  
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Hi Larry,

I answered because your question specifically stated CW and SSB which can be done with SSDR alone and no VPN if you accept the use of CWX to send CW.

My point for posting was that about a year ago there was a guy here, can't remember the call who had a 6300 or 6500 for like a year and had never found the CWX window.  When he wanted to op CW he would go downstairs to his radio and use his key.  

When I showed him the CWX window he was very happy and started to do CW during football games, out on his deck, etc.

The other reason I posted is complexity.   The way your question was written was giving the impression you wanted to use CW and SSB and you wanted to use SSDR to control and show pans but do all the remote stuff via Remote Rig.

While that can and will completely work my point is simply why?   If you like a more complex setup then go for it.  And as I said if you are CW purist and I am not using that term in a derogatory way, then yes you will need some kind of a paddle interface but there are options.

Last time I looked at remote rig it adds some expense.  My point was simply that you could save on complexity and expense because these features are built in.  SSB and CW work right out of the box remote.  Caveat being no key unless you get fancy.

Now you bring up FT8 and I share your point.  I too like digital and I'm hopeful that soon FRS will release a SmartLink version that has at least one DAX two way channel.  That would make it easier to use FT8 or some others remote.

As it sits now with a raspberry Pi, a little time, Ria's script or a router with built in VPN you can have a VPN pretty easily and get all the features.

But yes...  Other device control.  This is, in my opinion where FRS is dropping the ball and I've publicly stated it a number of times.

Until the PGXL is released and purchasable any other amp you get requires some effort to fully automate for remote operation.  In my case I have an SPE 2K FA.  I managed because I'm a developer to write some custom code and I have the thing fully remoteable with full control.

But for those people that don't develop it becomes harder.  I think this is something FRS should have considered in their push to help hams be remote.  They've done a great job with 6000 series radios and hopefully soon the PGXL amp, but what about the myriad of antenna rotators, tuners, etc?

FRS has taken the stance I would expect which is we will support our products remote and they have stayed away from everything else.  This alone pushes people towards projects like Enzo's keyer,  Remote rig, my own software to control amps etc.

When all these things play nice the world is great.  When one piece stops working your station can fall apart quickly for remote.  This is why I push to remove complexity when possible.

Anyway do keep us posted on your journey.  What is great about this forum is learning about how other people are doing things.  Often it can help us achieve our own goals.
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Mark, could you give us some more details on your software solution? Are you prepared to make it available to others?.

I am very interested in your solution as I also have an SPE Amp which I intend to install at my remote site.

Fingers crossed!

Best 73 Winston Vk7WH
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Will be glad to. Let me write up this weekend and will publish links here and will do what I can to help

I will be very clear that my remote solution is not perfect and requires a few pieces to work. I will explain in the document.
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That's very kind of you Mark and much appreciated. No hurry, just when you get time.

My remote site has been up and running for a couple of years now, but is still "work in progress". I am looking forward to reinstalling the 2K-FA.

Winston
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I controlled the SPE2K I had (before Beta testing the PGXL) fully via remote using a simple serial server made by MOXA called an NPort 5110.   Simple one cable connection to the SPE2K  at the remote and the SPE App at the control end.  App info at the time: Term_2K_232.  I do all my 8 circle array and Beverage Switching and Flex On/OFF or Flex remote PTT or rotor direction control using the Green Heron Server.  Even remote on/off of the RX antenna DX Engineering preamp as needed. so in my case its a one stop shop for controlling all the peripherals I need anyhow.  With PGXL, I have eliminated a lot of cabling since the LAN connection at the remote handles everything but the RF switching (Exciter in and RF out cables) which also eliminated the Moxa NPort 5110 requirement.  So things continue to evolve for the better and I have tried or am trying all the latest and KISS methods.  I am using the Maestro via Smartlink and even the 4O3A 8X2 Antenna switch is fully automatic with the 6600 band changes so things actually are improving and are quite simple and reliable now compared to first starting with the K3 and RemoteRigs and SPE2K  4 years ago.
 
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Below is a link to a program that I am working on that lets you connect the output of a Winkeyer to a serial port and send the resulting morse remotely via the Flex transceiver. The Winkeyer is used to generate real time local side tone. 

The program is still in its early stage of development so it is not perfect, but I have had some nice rag chews with it.  It currently works only via LAN or VPN.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/nq6n/Remote%20Keyer%20Interface/publish.htm

I'll be releasing an update with support for Smartlink, as well as computer generated side tone and computer generated keying in the future (as time permits). 

A diagram showing how to connect the Winkeyer is linked below, courtesy of Gary, NA6O. One method is to use passive pulldown for a simple "direct to pins" interface (what I've been using), and the correct method is also shown. 

https://www.dropbox.com/s/mszxbx44dacmh40/WinKeyer%20to%20RS232.pdf?dl=0

This software is meant to fill the void for remote paddle side tone until the functionality one day becomes part of SmartSDR.  I am not really interested in turning it into a standalone product for its own sake, but will continue to put energy into it as long as necessary, since I really like having local side tone and local paddles when operating a remote station. Anyone wishing to have access to the source code (C#, WPF) who wishes to help out is more than welcome. 

I've also created an email list for sending out information about software updates:

https://groups.io/g/RemoteKeyerInterface

73,
Matt NQ6N
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I have been using my 6700 for nearly 5 years now using RemoteRig for LAN remote. I run SSDR locally on a Win 10 machine. I use a Moxa 5400 for remote serial ports to control rotators, amps and yes: a Winkeyer. I also use a DLI ethernet switch for remote power.

This setup has worked flawlessly for SSB, CW and digital. I prefer using a paddle for DXing, but I use the remote Winkeyer for contesting.

Advantages of this approach: I get paddle CW with local sidetone and a knob for speed control (which is quite handy since I mouse with my keying hand). I can run any app (amp apps, rotator apps, remote power meter) that is looking for serial ports. For contesting I get remote sidetone from the speaker channel. I also get convenient remote PTT support through a hand or foot switch.

Unfortunately the Remote audio feature in SSDR only sends sidetone for CWX and ASC generated CW, and I found those features to be very buggy in early releases. They may have settled down now. For example I found that the ESC key feature in N1MM+ didn't work with early implementations of ASC. Made the feature kind of useless and I didn't get sidetone across the Remote channel. RemoteRig + serial WinKeyer work flawlessly.

My experience with the RemoteRig serial ports was pretty negative, but the Moxa serial emulation is bulletproof. I run uncompressed audio on the LAN and it works great with all the digital modes.

Takeaway: Flex may have viable support now for remote, but the RemoteRig works great. I have a PowerGenius on order and will upgrade to SW 2.x when it arrives, but for the time being I haven't seen the need.

Cabling is easier than you think: the Flex RJ-8 cable plugs into the local RR and the Flex DIN cable plugs into the rig side. Ferrites everywhere (of course) and bond all the grounds together.