Recieve Filter Direct Value Entry, Is this possible?

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I wanted to know if it is possible to enter the receive filter upper and lower values directly using the numeric keys on my keyboard.

In the radio panel and in the slice flag you can hover the mouse over the filter edges to change filter settings but when I want to get exact values it is very hard to do with the mouse.

If this is not possible, It would be cool if when you double click on the filter a pop up box opens allowing you to enter the values direct.

John
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John,
  I don't think so... But it is possible to set the filers to exact number with a DDUtil macro..

AL, K0VM
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It's so frustrating that such simple things like this are not just built in to SSDR.
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now u know how I feel about no Squelch.
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John

One work around might be, saving your custom filter as a memory.
I do that to get 0-4k filters for WSJTX.

The won't show up as selectable filters on the mode panels but they can be selected from SSDR's memory window whenever you want to use them. No 3rd party apps needed.

73, Jay - NO5J
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A bit over complicated for changing filters on the fly.
I hope simple features like this start show up in future version.
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I agree!
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The easiest way would be to set up a user customizable filter bank either under
settings or by right-clicking on the filters.
Alex - DH2ID
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Yes right click is what it should be. Maybe when you right click on the filters it could have options like "Edit Filter:, Copy Filter, Save Filter"?
So when you click "Edit Filter" you can manually enter the lower and upper filter values?

Just a thought.
John,KC2QMA 

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Is it possible?  Yes, as it is just a SMOP (simple matter of programming).

There is a filter widget for setting filter widths by doing a mouse over on the lubber (carrier) line at the bottom of the slice where it meets the panadapter.  You can also dynamically drag the filter skirt edges to any point within the maximum bandwidth of the slice.  None of our software has had a direct entry feature for adjusting filter widths because it is so much more convenient to do it visually by dragging the filter skirts, so we will have to evaluate the global usefulness of this request.  Thanks for the idea.
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Squelch is an idea too......
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Visual mouse adjustment is convenient but can be frustrating for accurate. If you are trying to get to 1.0 it is quicker and more convenient to just entry the value. Using the mouse is a struggle to get it there and more often than not it ends up some value close but not dead on. Everyone has a different view and having the option to do both would good.
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User configurable filter presets like the newer knob radios is highly desirable. It would even be nice if the presets automatically changed based on mode, like the Icom 8600/7700/7800 or Kenwood 590/990.
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Yes David, it's difficult to use the mouse when you want set the filter to exact values. And I would also be great if you could save your own filter presets.

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My ME TOO is to establish my own filter presets.  All I basically want to do is replace all the 100hz low freq cutoffs at wider phone bandwidths with 50hz  ;-)

73, Barry N1EU
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Yes custom filter presets! I have never owned a 5000 but doesn’t Power SDR already do this?
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It sure does. That's all I'm asking for, customizable filters like in PSDR.
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Sounds like a feature for some third party person to make an add on helper utility ... Lions and tigers and FlexLib oh my! :-)
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NO! Why not built IN?
Why should we need to use 3rd party software for simple features that can be a part of SSDR.
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That is always an option but having apart of the SmartSDR GUI would be better for one place to manage the radio and not another add programming. There are few things could be tweaked in the GUI like making use of right click on the radio panel options like filters to bring up the level so you don't have chase down the slice. It would also be good if the panel fit vertically at least on 1080 resolution screen. It you use the horizontal listing at the top to rearrange the order would be useful too. Those are just few items that come to mind.
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For a current work-around you could use either of these:

1. macros with the SH and SL CAT commands to set the upper and lower filter limits.

SH Sets or reads VFO A DSP Filter High Cut Index
SL Sets or reads VFO A DSP Filter Low Cut Index

2.  DDUtil  DD6FIL macro

DD6FIL Set Slice, Mode and Filter parameters (rev'd @ 32300)
 Form: DD6FIL P1 P2 P3 P4 P5 P6 P7 ; 
 Parm: P1 = Slice 0-7 {A-H} & 9 for active slice.
 Parm: P2 = Separator (:)
 Parm: P3 = Mode = 2 numerical digits {00=LSB,  01=USB, 02|03|04=CW,    05=FM,  06=AM,   07=DIGU,  
                                       09=DIGL, 10=SAM, 11=NFM, 12=DFM, 20=FDV, 30=RTTY, 40=DSTR}
 Parm: P4 = Separator (:)
 Parm: P5 = Filter Center = 4 numerical digits prefixed with either a ‘+’ or ‘-‘.
 Parm: P6 = Separator (:)
 Parm: P7 = Filter Width  = 5 numerical digits for the filter width in Hz.
 Uses: DD6FIL0:01:+0000:02500;
 Note: Above example sets slice 0 to USB mode and sets the filter center point to 0 Hz and filter width to 2500 Hz.
             Use slice = 9 (DD6FIL9...) to set parameters for the active slice.
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I thought this was the beauty of the panadaptor, drag the filters were ever we want?
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Yes dragging the filters are fine for quick approximate filter settings BUT... when you want exact values with the mouse it can be very difficult to achieve. Also we want to be able to save our filter presets for instant recall.

Yes Barry, I was aware of these alternatives but hope that this SIMPLE feature will be included in a future version of SSDR.

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Well what ever, I'm sure they are aware of this thread. We will what happens in the future.
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If you guys want to drool over one implementation of SDR filter customization, view this video at 3:58 in (choose HD 1080p in settings and watch full screen):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEZ2RjfQDKA

73, Barry N1EU
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Holy Cow! Now this is what I'm talking about! Amazing that it's only V3! Look at how much further along the GUI is compared to SSDR.


Fully customizable AGC with graphical feedback!

Audio Scope

S-meter with Peek reading.

All slider values shown all the time. (See what I mean Now!)

Customizable colors, skins and so on...

And so much More More More................


This GUI is light years ahead of SSDR.

I sure hope we don’t have to wait to till Ver.4,5,6 to see these items to show up in SSDR.

I almost fee embarrassed that I have to ask for such obvious features.

Now don't get me wrong the 6000 series radio hardware itself is amazing with it's networking, Build quality and so on but the GUI has a long way to go. PowerSDR already has many of these features today. You would think when you are coming out with a new product to replace an older one you would carryover all of the features from the prior software and then add the new features?

IMHO I don’t think FRS should be charging for software updates until SSDR has most of the features of Power SDR.

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Most of those features for the GUI improvements / enhancements are on the idea list already.  Some go back several years.  There are about 800+ ideas so it take some time to find them all.  Not many folks vote so it't hard to tell how important they really are. 

FRS is making their decisions on where to put development resources where they feel it will provide the best ROI. 

I expect we will see a few GUI improvements added at time goes on but it may take a few more years.

Regards, Al / NN4ZZ  
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The software in that linked video blows my mind, but there's no telling when it will actually be released for general use.  The video shows Simon Brown (the developer) running early development version of the software on ANAN hardware. If/when it is released, it will be a game changer.

73, Barry N1EU
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Simon is a software genius he is why Ham Radio Deluxe even exists.
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I don't mind paying for software, as long as the vendor provides an up front feature specification/commitment so I know exactly what I'll eventually be getting.

Barry N1EU
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Yes Barry, I don't mind paying ether but I think since SSDR is so far behind PowerSDR maybe they could wait until they are closer to what PowerSDR has now before charging for the updates for SmartSDR?


Well at least this thread is "Under Consideration" 

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From the last release of PSDR from Flex. I think SSDR leaves PSDR in the dust. SSDR can do much more than PSDR can. So I don't understand people when they say PSDR is a much better software....
 Try making a list to both and see were things land.
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Just remember we are talking about the GUI (Graphical User Interface) not RX or TX performance the 6000 series clearly wins that battle.

Now of course SSDR has some advantages over PSDR but so many of the very simple features are missing from SSDR.
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Lets list them, as there are many.
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I have 5 custom filter/offset combos set up in DDUTIL  It took 2 minutes to set up using cut and paste into the macro slots and then customize the values in each slot.  I was able to iteratively change things until I got the precise effect I was looking for 

73  W9OY
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We are trying to avoid using 3rd party apps for things that can be apart of SSDR.


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SSDR really is not missing much, it is a full featured product. One of the greatest things about SSDR is being able to write API and using all sorts of 3rd party software to do what ever we want. Just can't do that with very many radio's. But you have been answered by Tim,,it is being considered,, we can put this to bed
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I really don't care to be told what it is WE need.  So basically this is an agenda item cooked up by KC2QMA because HE wants it a specific way and has nothing to do with creating a non-existent feature.   The feature already exists through the API and thanks to K5FR is freely available to anyone who needs or desires it.  The present MAC buttons matrix would allow up to 48 custom filters to be created.   Like I said I have 5 custom bandwidth filters preset in DDUTIL.  I use them every day.  They are perfectly plastic and I can change them in seconds at will.  They use ZERO resources internal to the radio.  I prefer to keep the resources in MY radio as clutter free as possible.   Pretty sweet deal IMHO

73  W9OY 
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Yes that's it's. It's a secret plot devised in a dark back room to try to ad more functionality to software.

You got me.
LOL:)

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Keep drinking the Kool-Aid, folks! It is far from full-featured at this point.

You guys jumping on somebody expecting basic functionality are worse than the guys actually pointing out the shortcomings!

The fact is, we are still waiting for many basic functions that exist in the original PowerSDR platform. Prior to the purchase of my 6500, I was flat out told by the Flex salesperson that we would see equivalent functionality prior to version 2.0., and within a year, no less. That was over 2 years ago!

I would consider the ability to set filter parameters, and for example, the ability to change colors of the panadapter, basic functionality! Heck, the screen formatting for the proper display of the right side phone/eq/etc boxes is still not fixed yet! And that was reported how many versions ago? Expecting us to use a third-party app for such functions is totally unacceptable for a radio in this price range!

Don't get me wrong, the SmartSDR 6000 series is a nice platform, but it is not god's gift to ham radio, like some of you folks make it out to be. While the receiver performance numbers maybe one thing, every day functionality is also a big part of it. It still does not compare to a higher end Icom or Kenwood in many regards.

At its current state - Is it a great radio for casual rag chew and ESSB on the low bands? Yes. Would it be the only radio in my shack? No.

Look at a number of the top contesting stations. Are they all running Flex 6000 radios? No, but they are running plenty of Icom 7700/7800/7851s and TS-990s.

Those few that have implemented Flex radios, have not done a full wholesale station swap out just yet, have they?

By the way, I still have not had some of my simple questions about previous bugs answered yet. Noise burst on initial tx due to audio buffer filling still not fixed, three major releases later? Come on!

Kudos to N3VE for publicly asking Gerald the question we all wanted answered the other evening during the call-in show.

There is no way around it, it is a slap in the face for those of us who have been waiting for features, only to have it preempted by the development of the Maestro. I understand the business reasons behind it, but that does not mean that we have to be happy about it.

Do you think anyone would be standing by quietly if they purchased a high end Icom, Kenwood, or Yaesu, and were still waiting for promised (or brochure) features over two years later?

Eric
K2CB
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Wow what soap box, that was mostly very misleading.
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You guys should sit down for this. Steve, fix yourself a drink first.

I actually like the graphic /-\ filter adjuster hoover-over. That was clever and took some programming to pull off.

For those lacking a sense of humor, that was levity. I did give extra points for that feature though.
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At this point since the 6000 series is so successful why not higher more software engineers to speed up development?



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KC2QMA_John

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SWR meter.
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I removed that post as I found a bigger magnifying glass. Is that an app you wrote? I was (am) thinking about doing a similar one based on XPSLib that would run all the bands selected for every 5Khz and do a graph. That's nice though..I like it.
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I like your idea, but not your methods. Mail Rule all mail with KC2QMA to junk.

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