Profiles Option on track?

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     There was a discussion on the Flex-Radio 20 meter net this afternoon about the current approach to managing Profiles.  The consensus seemed to be that an option allowing legacy Profile management would be well-received.  

      For my part, I find it necessary as a safety precaution to check each setting on each Control Panel before attempting to transmit in a different mode or on a different band.  Locking down a saved Profile and showing when a change has been made departing from the currently selected Profile settings provides a level of safety and reliability not found in the current approach.  I'm hoping an option to select legacy Profile management remains under consideration.   Thanks for reading this.
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Bill N3HQB

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Posted 2 months ago

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I concur with that....

Every time when i want to use my amp,  seems my rcaTx setting get reset to OFF...reset all the bands...next day voila...empty once again
not to mention power setting  ;-(


i have to go thru a pre-flight checklist every time i use the radio now ;-((

Paul K3SF


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It happened to me also. This morning no PTT to amp. Finally found the TX menu had all tx1 check marks removed.
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K3SF

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yep...that is what i see...
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Mike

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That is also what I see.
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Yep, same here (ver 3.1.7), all amp TX checks removed and my mic profile settings are changed too, and I DID NOT change them. This is a REAL pain, and I don't use ANY 3rd party software or digi modes, strictly SSB. Don't really understand why the new autosave profile is removing previous settings..but I can no longer just turn on the radio and go...have to go through the amp and mic profile settings each time to make sure it works. I shouldn't need to import my profiles each time I use the radio...arghhhh.
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John - AI4FR

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Dave, next time it happens try creating and saving a brand new profile. There were some issues with moving profiles from an earlier version of SSDR. Maybe a new profile will solve the issue. Either way, good luck with it.
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Gary NC3Z

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It has been well reported to Flex that this new auto save is crap, unfortunately I have come to the conclusion that they do not listen to customers anymore.
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John - AI4FR

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If by "legacy Profile management " you mean not the "auto save profile" I wholeheartedly agree. The way I see it after reading the statements by Flex is that this auto-save feature was a way to dumb down SSDR in order to stop the overwhelming amount of help desk tickets Flex was receiving from people who either did not understand how to save a profile and what gets saved or were too lazy to read the manual.

I also do the "pre flight" check list now as well. Just today for example in the CQWW CW contest I was running about 500 watts. Switched over to FT8 by way of a profile and the higher power level from the contest was still in effect. Glad i caught that before transmitting.

Please Flex at least allow us to turn it off.
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Bill N3HQB

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Yes, "legacy"refers to original Flex method of Profile management.
"Pre-flight" checklist captures the precautionary concept marvelously.
The preferred original Profile approach allowed you to set it in Profiles and forget it.
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I am still on V2.49 I cannot and will not upgrade to V3 until I can turn "autosave" OFF!!!
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Same here!  No upgrade until I have control up when the profile saves!
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I also really dislike the Auto save feature and it needs to be a option for sure. 

Thing I see here is, if I have EVERYTHING set up just right for running my station in my normal settings and save the Profile then operate it Remote with the IPAD / IPhone then I have to load the IOS Profile on the IPAD then when I get back home changing the Profile back to MY Default  profile I have found that IOS device has changed my settings, Then I have to setup my normal Profile settings again all the time with the same Profile name because the IPAD changed  MY Default  before I could manually change it to the IOS profile, This auto save is a JOKE as it is implemented as of SSDR V3.1.8. 

Would be great if it didn't auto save until after 10-15 minutes after you changed Settings and allow us to manually change things IF and ONLY IF we wanted them changed ESPECIALLY to our OWN Profiles. 

If they want to auto change the Default profiles that is one thing but the ones we create should NEVER be touched by anyone but us.

just my opinion 

Bret
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I realize many will want to re hash all this for something to talk about. The way I operate, the auto save does not effect me at all. But I am very interested to see what Flex plans to do with this feature.
Steve spent a week on here talking to us all about what we would like to see changed and what we need. He took notes and has all the info he needs from us. Sometime in the future it will be interesting what they change.
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Bill N3HQB

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It's never incorrect to rehash safety...
The current Profile management approach puts linear amplifiers at risk.
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David - KO1C

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I was using profiles like a web browser bookmark.

Now I don't use them at all except for one generic one that makes sure my amp keyline is on.

I wish Flex would fix them -- soon.

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I do not use profiles at all. I created a profile to drop the power from the Flex to 40W  when using the Amp, but it did not drop but I cought it quick enough that I did not harm the input to the Amp. Just use a few memories now.
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I look at the new profile layout as being the same as a traditional Yaesu, Kenwood, or Icom radio. Wherever you move the power knob, it stays until moved again. So, what did you guys do before Flex came along?

I use DDUtil's AutoDrive feature to set preconfigured drive levels for the amp. When enabled it sets the amp to operate,  the power to the preconfigured level on frequency or band change, and enables TX1. When disabled it sets the amp to standby, TX1 is disabled, and radio is set to 100 watts (or user configured level). The amp operate/standby feature is supported for a handful of amps but any amp can benefit from the enable/disable of the TX1 line.

I look at the new profile layout as being the same as a traditional Yaesu, Kenwood, or Icom radio. Wherever you move the power knob, it stays until moved again. 

BTW, you can set DDUtil to always drop the amp to standby on band change for those that want to verify SWR before transmitting.

Dave wo2x

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//sarcasm
So how did you manage the Flex until now? I imagine it was a nightmare to you until the new profile feature.

Power wheel on my icom is right next to the squelch... When are we getting that?
//sarcasm

It is a reasonable request to be able to turn off an unwanted feature, no one is asking Flex to do anything that wasn't there before. It is unbelievable to me that this has not been fixed already.
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The most extensive (and original?) "profile save" discussion can be found at:

https://community.flexradio.com/flexradio/topics/profile-auto-save-discussion

It seemed to conclude with a statement that the ability to toggle autosave of profiles on and off would be included in a future update of SSDR.  So far, not there yet.  To my great disappointment.

Tim K9WX

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Autosave is the one and only issue that has kept me from upgrading to V3 of SSDR.

I am very happy with SSDR but autosave in its current form is a terrible idea.

If the reason for creating this "feature " was avoid people from contacting support the way this should have been implemented in my opinion was to ship V3 with autosave On by default with the option for the user to turn off autosave. That way people who like autosave can just leave it on and people that like the way profiles used to work can turn it OFF.

On my hands and knees please add an On/Off switch for autosave.


Happy Holidays to all of my Ham Radio family.
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I agree. Just another reason that I have added to my list and not upgraded.
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Bill N3HQB

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I would not hesitate to upgrade...
The new technology gained more than offsets this identified but temporary inconvenience.
For now, it's "two steps forward, one step back." 
Flex has never disregarded thoughtful input from its dedicated users.
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I really want to take advantage of some of the new exciting features in V3 but I just cannot have SSDR saving changes on its own, I must have control of what is saved to my profiles after all that seems to be the point of even having profiles in the first place. Unlike a traditional amateur radio a flex radio has way to many settings to keep track of to use a traditional persistence based system.
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"The new technology gained more than offsets this identified but temporary inconvenience."


For you, not for all of us.
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The following comment was posted 6 months(!) ago and still nothing:

"We appreciated the feedback and have already begun the design phase of how we will handle things.  Unfortunately, we were not in a position to complete this work in a timeframe that would make sense for this release.

I've learned over the years not to give estimates on how long something will take that is early in the design phase.  There are too many variables and too many following steps for me to be any good at guessing that target.  I can assure you that it isn't as easy as just adding an on/off switch.  :)  Suffice it to say that we have heard loud and clear that this is a desirable feature (disabling Auto Save) and that we are exploring how that will work technically.  Once we have something for you, we'll let you know."

Maybe in 6 more months enough time will have passed for this fix to be made available.
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Yup, the DAX levels do not always follow what the sliders say. I had Eric remote into my 6600M a few months ago and he saw it first hand and captured the "anomaly". He said he had to send it off to the developers, never heard any more.

On the other hand, and I know I will get grief for this, but with my Apache and Thetis we get bug fixes and more importantly feature enhancements on a pretty regular (and usually quick) basis. My 6600M is now just a bench warmer because of many bugs.
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That's exactly it Gary. Below is a link to a post with pics about the issue.
https://community.flexradio.com/flexradio/topics/dax-rx-issue-on-ver-2-5-and-up

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Yes. Flex is aware is all I can confirm. Right now the only issue is it overdrives WSJT and other digital modes. Sort of like that stupid auto profile save that over rides my band by band RF Drive settings (which can result in a more catastrophic issue). But I work around that issue by setting the Global max power out, not ideal, but safe.
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"over rides my band by band RF Drive settings (which can result in a more catastrophic issue)."

Yes, that's happened to me too and we shouldn't have to wait 6+ months for a new version of software. Given the possible consequences, the auto-save "feature" correction should be considered a patch, released Elecraft-style, in days not significant fractions of a year. That K4 is looking better every day.
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Thats my biggest gripe with Flex . . . Takes forever to get a bug fixed where with my Elecraft it is done in days.

Must be working on that Raetheon deal.
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10 months into owning the 6400M and I still only have a great stand alone Transceiver. Works great for Fone and CW and that is all it will do for me. I have no choice but to accept that,
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Yeah I know what you mean it's just like having a my old yaesu where every time I sit down to use the radio I have to check every setting in the menu make sure it's set correctly and if not reload from a file.
Yeah I sure miss the simplicity of those old boat anchors.
;)
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Andy, is Flex aware of your problem with the 6400M? I am trying to decide between the 6400M and a K4 for an early-2020 present to myself.
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I'm anxious to read user feedback on the K4, particularly how it handles noise.
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KF4HR

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Since the Flex-feature survey (6 months ago or so?), I haven't neen any new News from Flex.  Perhaps we'll at least see an Insider update soon. 
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In keeping with Flex policy It is not surprising we have not heard anything about what they have been working on, and I have no information, but I would expect something around the first of the year? we will see.
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"and I have no information"