PowerGeniusXL

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OK i'll start then, nearly $7000 OMG, had it been anyway near the competition, my $1000 dollars
would have been sat in the FRS account already. 
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Marc-Andre

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Well if you compare the Power Genius with RM Italy your are FAR from it but amp in the same class are ABOUT the same price ;-)
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Lawrence Kellar KB5ZZB

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Well for $7000 you can get an auto tuner as well with an Expert Linear 2K-FA. I do find the flex integration interesting but the amp needs a tuner to be on the same price point imo.
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You are right, i agree that this kind of amp need a ATU too,  that why i use a 2K-FA  The Power Genius is a very good machine BUT also LACK antenna connector on the back


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Steven G1XOW

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WOW i'll keep my alpha thanks!
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Lee Maisel

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Dat 1970's Stylin tho......
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Marc-Andre

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No they change their ugly first look ;-) lol




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Chuck Smith

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Still ugly, what is that hunk of metal across the front and around that postage stamp size display. Compare to the clean modern design of the Acom front panel it looks crude and clunky
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I agree, who in their right mind came up with that god awful ugly front design?
Take a  look at the Acom 600s.   Much more aesthetically pleasing.
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Rory - N6OIL

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Why not just build your own and have more control over the amp, we are hams that's what we do. I'm really considering either Jim's W6PQL or Reinhard DH3NAB's kits. Mark NU6X built what I think is a very sexy amp from the B26 RF2K parts. https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6mgz4XdEiHTYVJCdzE1MEVFcEE/view?usp=sharing%20https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6mgz4XdEiHTaW9MRjJtUndmdVU/view?usp=sharing
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May I ask what "B26 RF2K" parts are? That control panel looks great, anyone know if that was homebrew or from a supplier?
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Rory - N6OIL

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Check out the website. http://rf-kit.de/en/2k_Kit.php
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I have to say it looks nice, but I have not been able to find a price, will have to email him.
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I use an Alpha 9500 with the 1A2R switch which gives me basically the same functionality so I'll stay where I am.... but the Alpha cost about the same when I bought it so 7 large does not seem out of line
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I recall how long actual roll out of Maestro was, any chance sun spots will be on incline when these ship? :)

Lew
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Lawrence Kellar KB5ZZB

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Since we are now discussing price. How much is ATU offer?
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Steve K9ZW, Elmer

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Matt had told me via chat that details on the ATU will follow, but I'd love to know what sort of unit is will be and some idea of the additional cost.

73

Steve K9ZW

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TBD.  It is still in the engineering phase of development.  We will not have final pricing until we have a working version.
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Lawrence Kellar KB5ZZB

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Will it be internal or external to the amp?
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Rory - N6OIL

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External 
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Steve K9ZW, Elmer

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I understand more than one person has pre-ordered two (or more) PowerGeniusXL units, so pricing isn't beyond market acceptance.

Solid state alternatives have typically been running even more money (though some have integral power supplies, ATUs or other features).

My Alpha-9500s will become backups to PowerGeniusXLs.  I am thinking of moving the "shack" to the tower base with most gear having not more than 100ft of feedline to the antenna.   Let network connectivity handle the haul back to the "traditional shack" and other operating positions.

The present PowerGeniusXL  configuration is able to handle up to 2.5:1 matching needs, which will work for a lot of the target buyers. 

73

Steve K9ZW


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Ria - N2RJ, Elmer

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It could be some big gun contester who may actually come out cheaper in the end instead of two amps.

I also wonder if any non flex users will buy it. Being "true" SO2R out of the box is pretty neat.
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Steve K9ZW, Elmer

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On the SO2R side other solid state options are a lot more expensive. Looks like $11,000-$15,000 sort of territory. Makes the PowerGeniusXL a consideration for a non-Flex shack.

Before the Alpha-9500 was sharply discounted in the series of organizational death throws, it priced at a similar price point.

Cool & interesting & advanced & pioneering are so seldom in the same sentence as inexpensive when it comes to technology alas.

Looking forward to Matt's call for full payment and delivery instructions here!

73

Steve
K9ZW
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Does it really look like this?  Functionality I'm certain is Excellent coming from Flex, but the 1970s called and want their enclosure designer back!

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Rory - N6OIL

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The back is not very pretty.
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Steve K9ZW, Elmer

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More like "plain" than unattractive:


Looks like LOTS of ventilation and seeing components I am wondering if the airflow is filtered or not?

For my remote Island QTH radio gear located at the base of the tower situation, I am working with the idea of having a very clean space to keep the gear.  Will look at filtering intakes and extra efforts at protection from insects and vermin.  When the shack is 120 miles from home, with 6 miles of it water with enough hazards to be called "Death's Door" I don't want to have something get in and mess with the gear.

73

Steve K9ZW

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I looked at the rear of all my equipment, none of them had a "pretty" back side, but then I didn't expect them to. :)
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it looks Borg... will it assimilate other amps or gear?
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David Decoons wo2x, Elmer

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It already assimilated my wallet :-)
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Well, I was hoping it would be in the 5K neighborhood. :(  But I am now on the reservation list :) .   Now I have to get a 220 circuit put in.
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Kevin K4VD, Elroy

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Does this mean there will be a lot of excellent, well tested amplifiers coming up for sale soon? If so... post here first!
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I think I am going to also have to find a place outside of my listening location to place this, the fans sound pretty noisy in the video.  Especially near the very end of the video. http://www.flexradio.com/amateur-products/powergenius-xl/
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That was a very early unit in the video.

I am hoping that improvements will be made to the cooling solution to mitigate fan noise in production units.

It will be interesting to see if any videos are posted after this weekend's show at Hamcation.


Dave wo2x

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I have read the many negative posts above but here is my input.  Currently I have an Alpha 9500 paired with the FLEX-6700.  That worked fine until the last few releases of DDUtil which won't run on my Windows 10 Enterprise machines.  I appreciate the tight integration between the FLEX-6700 and the new amplifier.  There are many features to like about the PowerGeniusXL.  It was about 30 minutes after the newsletter was sent out via email that I saw it and immediately ordered one.  On a different thread there were several other indicating that they had already ordered a PowerGeniusXL.  

Here is the good news for the naysayers:  In a few months I'll have an Alpha 9500 for sale.  See, there is good news in this for everybody.

Reg
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My 9500 is already listed :-)

Tim VE6SH
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The video was with a 2kW power supply, which was noiser than the final 3 kW 50V supply that will be in the production unit.  The final version is much quieter.  
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Thanks Gerald. I know you mentioned they were working on noise mitigation. Will the amp with new PS be on display this weekend? I'm flying down in the morning.


Dave wo2x

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I have an Expert 2K-FA (cost $7K+. I impulse bought it off the show floor at Visalia DX Convention) which thanks to Steve K5FR works perfectly with DDUTIL especially since I operate remote about 80% of the time.

I have a SteppIR MonstIR which covers 80M-6M so I have never used the internal ATU on the Expert since the antenna is always close enough to 1:1 SWR. I have several fan dipoles for diversity but do not run power on them. OTOH I tend to be a NERDY Purist who would want an ATU just in case I need to schlep the Amp for a contest at NX6T.

The 2K-FA has 4 antenna ports and 2 input Ports. The 2K-FA will key down for hours at 2330W so it has it has tons of headroom.

Genius XL $7K Price is NOT an issue Since it's in the same range of equivalent power.

Genius XL is supposed to be Ethernet connected. A HUGE advantage.for remote. It will need an ATU and an Antenna Genius to be functionally equivalent to the 2K--FA BUT the XL has 2 x 1500 W LDMOS finals so HUGE Headroom PLUS a promiss of best in class IMD and maybe the ability to have Adaptive Pre-distortion. I would love a keydown test.

So far my only hesitation is software. Software is always later than everyone thinks. So if I buy an XL I likely would not be able to dump the 2F-FA for a year or two until I get the remote control that I have with DDUTIL.

I may yet buy one because it will be fun to play with the alpha software. The entertainment value of alpha software is easily worth $7k
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BTW. I agree that the 2K can splatter 1when pushed. Which is why I run thermal tests on the 3K dummy load

With the MonstIR. An 2K at legal limit ERP can be in 10KW Range

Interesting that the power genius XL claims 2KW headroom. It would be very interesting to look at IMD. At 2K On the power genius XL
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Hey Howard ...I know this is not the topic here, But I need your advise; I bought SPE 1.3K  and I need to request for cables to connect to DDutil, however I have heard that with new SmartSDR version I could connect directly to my flex....I received  this from Dan:

"My FlexRadio interface cable connects to the ACC port for Accessory TX and +5v for Remote On.  Then there is a short jumper over to the ALC port and one for RS-232 for frequency data.  If you have upgraded to the new beta version of SmartSDR, that cable can go to the FlexRadio itself for that data now.  You will need to purchase a FTDI chip set based USB to Serial adapter for that connection.  Works great and a lot easier to setup"

What do you think?

Thanks

George


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You can buy a cable from Dan, which is perfectly fine and it will work. You should not use ALC. 

However I decided to make my own cable as follows:

9 pin (Radio via FTDI adapter)          to           15 pin (SPE Expert)
Pin 2 (RXD)     --------------------------------------->  Pin 9 (TXD)
Pin 3 (TXD)     --------------------------------------->  Pin 1 (RXD)
Pin 5 (Ground) ------------------------------------->  Pin 4 (Ground)
Additionally I soldered the drain wire to the shield on both dsub connectors for additional shielding.

And it works perfectly fine. 
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Thank you Ria!!

Could you send me a picture from your connection?
yv5wz@hotmail.com

:)

By the way, I only have USB ports on my PC

Thanks!

73's

George
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KY6LA - Howard, Elmer

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George

Ria already answered you correctly

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Tim (W4TME),
is i am understand correctly that pic.:



- it is kind of commitment of implementation of the Pure Signal in version 2.0?
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Bill -VA3WTB

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Flex is not calling it pure signal...
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Richard McClelland, AA5S

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I think they are going to call it "Effervescent Audiology Glistening in the Fresh Springtime Air (tm)"
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kind of  spectral clean signal realized with pre-distortion algorithm

i like to have it on my Signature 6700
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Bill -VA3WTB

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I know Gerald called it something, I can't find it,,pure signal is an Anan name for it.
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Gerald did confirm that the PGXL will have an output to facilitate 'Adaptive Pre-Distortion' (APD). It's somewhere in this thread:

https://community.flexradio.com/flexr...
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As far as I have heard, APD is the generic term for the process. If FRS has come up with their own company name for their own planned algorithm, I haven't heard it. But it definitely has been stated that APD will be one of their development items, in good time, and that the PGXL and 6000 rigs have both been designed with the appropriate hardware and will eventually incorporate it.

Only the FRS leadership really knows when that might be. But it will be worth the wait when it arrives, I'm sure.

Ken - NM9P
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Yeah, Paul, Ken, thank you, strange I have a look yesterday through the PGXL thread but propably skip this reply by Gerald. Nevertheless , well APD on the way of the real schedule and Radio 2.0(sw) appreciated
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To be clear, they have said nothing at all about a time table. So we do not know WHEN any APD may appear.
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Yeah, Ken, you are right, I know rules of our game here, however push - pull also a part of the market realities , you know.
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I must have messed up by signing up on paper at Dayton and also using the web site sign up mechanism.  They must have cancelled each other out.  I haven't received any sort of notice or info yet.
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Call or email FRS?

The PowerGeniusXL Video thread also had a link posted.

73

Steve
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I did not see any ordering info. I will see them at the show tomorrow and hopefully place an order.

I am looking forward to seeing the amp live.

Guess I will have an Acom 2000a with spare tubes for sale.

Dave wo2x
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Problem solved.  Matt had no idea why I didn't originally get the e-mail blast.  I now have 2 on order!
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Sergey, R5AU

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Hmm, I did't get back also any mails or info regarding order, need to mail directly I assume
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Thank you for all the enthusiasm around the PowerGenius XL! We have now made the reservation available on our online store. Be sure to get your reservation in!

http://cart.flexradio.com/PowerGenius-XL-RESERVATION_p_1005.html

Thank you,
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Sergey, R5AU

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Matt, what the right way for reservation outside US ?  (local reseller : Radioexpert)
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We will be working toward reservations through our distributors in the coming weeks. Please stay tuned for more information.
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Sergey, R5AU

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Got it Matt, thank you !
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Will there be a rack mount option?
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Tim - W4TME, Customer Experience Manager

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No.  You will need to use a rack shelf due to the weight.
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As an FYI the new list price on an Alpha-9500 from the new owners at $7,995.00 plus shipping and options is $1000 more than the PowerGeniusXL.  

73

Steve 
K9ZW
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Good point Steve, me, i would not but a other 9500 even for 1000$

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