PowerGenius Shipping Update

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It has been basically a month since the Orlando Hamfest and over a year since I put down $1000 Cash on the PowerGenius XL Amplifier.  There was an update Released about 3 weeks ago that echo what SDR told me during the Hamfest.  I am assuming the Beta Units have been Reworked and Returned to the Beta Testers.  Is there any update as to the Testing and then of course an update to the Ship Date?  I guess it is time to send out yet another update. 
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Patience will be rewarded.

The test team is “hard testing” and 4o3a/FRSvdoing their awesome stuff.

FRS usually does a couple informational community posts and a communique before a product goes GA.

Test Team, FRS and partner participants have learned long ago to not fuel speculation speculating or even dropping hints not supportive of FRS announcement plans.

Watch this space (FRS community) of course!

73

Steve
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Steve... I appreciate you holding the company line.   Are you a Tester?  If so, do you presently have a Reworked Amp in you possession?  If you do.... How is the Reworked Unit performing?  I appreciate your update.
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Yes, Steve is a tester and is helping to make our amps as bug-free as possible before they ship.  Check out his interesting web site!

https://k9zw.wordpress.com

Howard
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Howard....  The second part of my question/s/ does not seem to be answered.   The Test Amps were to be reworked or started to be reworked just before the Orlando Hamfest.   Have they been returned to the testers for the 2nd phase of Testing to confirm that all the issues that were identified in the Beta Test have been addressed?  From the nice article I am not sure if these units shown are the initial units to be tested or post rework.  Can yo enlighten all of us waiting?
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Ria - N2RJ, Elmer

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We can't disclose exact details. FlexRadio staff can if they so choose, but exact details are under NDA. 
Steve's article is the initial unit, not post rework, and was posted some time back. 
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Ria,  Without violating the NDA my assumption is that you had the Reworked Amp back for the WPX Contest.  How was your experience with the Reworked Amp?

Richard - N4RWG
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Apart from Sunday being a total dud, pretty decent, I would say. SO2R was not an issue at all. Bear in mind I am also testing other software from Flex and not just the amp so that factors in. Duty cycle was excellent however for the contest I would definitely run it in contest mode, especially in a SSB contest where I like to have punchy audio. I like the idea of different fan profiles for different usage patterns. LAN keying worked out really well as I literally had to drop the amp in place before the contest and had no time to fiddle with cables and such.  Just 6 cables - four RF in/out, AC 240v and LAN. That is it.

RTTY contests may be hard on an amp (and Chris put his through the RTTY test) but I think an SSB contest also pushes it hard especially when this amp optimizes its bias for SSB for cleanest signal and also because you run speech compression to break through the QRM. But the amp handled it really well. I never got a temperature alarm and the cooling management system worked pretty well. Compare that to the SPE amp I had which shut down quite early on during 2016 CQWW SSB due to temperature alarms and I had to run barefoot for a bit while it cooled off. I ended up running it at 1kw because 1.3kw really was pushing it. With this amp I could run 1.5kw all day long without an issue. 

Watch your inbox for more updates from Gerald. According to KF4HR below, Tim has indicated they may be shipping soon, so we are hopefully very close.

This is from my 3830 writeup:
Beta testing of the new FlexRadio/4O3A Power Genius XL amplifier. It is nice to be QRO again. Special thanks to Graham, KE9H and the rest of the FlexRadio and 4O3A teams for their hard work, so we contesters can play :) It's nice not to wait in pileups and also a real treat to have instant band switching. This is one solid machine that can stand up to heavy duty contest duty, and it shows. The whole combo of the Flex-6000 series radios with version 2 of SmartSDR and PG XL amplifier is hard to beat. RF wise the Flex-6000 series radio can take all of the contest splatter thrown at it, and still give you a comfortable environment to listen to and work your pileups. No QRM was a match for my Flex-6700!!
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Ria,

From ALL of us waiting......  Thank You for the update.  Really much more than I thought we would get.  I, more than ever, is more excited than ever to experience such a fine amplifier and the system as a whole station.... TNX es 73's.

Richard Griest - N4RWG
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A friend that attended the last HamCation event was told by someone manning the Flex booth that the PG-XL is expected to start shipping in August 2018, although I take that as a rough estimate.
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August 2018 as an initial “rough estimate” is a wholesale large difference from the order webpage on Flex stating expected to ship February 2018! I own every piece of high end Flexradio has sold in the past few years and am truly blessed that I can do that. But to entice preorders of $1,000 and for anyone to wait that long with repeated extensions of ship dates is not right. Not to mention , not a very good marketing maneuver from a general business perspective.

I obviously have no power or influence this process and want everything to be working when I get it, but those hundreds of thousands of dollars, even at just a few percent interest Flex is earning does add up to a lot of money they are making merely from having that capital in their accounts. Just a fact. Please keep your loyal fan base and customers informed!!
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kjave63....  Sound like you and I have the same feelings.   If this isn't the same process that Alpha tried, I don't know.......  It is sure Scary for sure.  I too am a strong Flex Supporter and think the products are the best on the market but there are other Amps I.E. SPE and now KPA-1500 that certainly meet 90% of the Ham Radio Operator's needs.   August 2018???  You have to be kidding?????  Time to think "I want my money back!"
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While the Power Genius can do everything without effort, it may be to much amp for the average ham.
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Bill, I am a fanboy of Flex too , but NO, the Powergenius will not do EVERYTHING better (even in context to some of the other amps you listed) , and it won’t do everything without effort either. It will have two excellent MOSFET units, and work great with the Flexline, and lastly it isn’t too much for the average ham. In fact , I would bet money, the owners of Flexradio would not want that as a tag line for their new line of amps! (A bit too “elitist”)
Thanks for sharing !
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I did not mention any other amps in my comment. The Power genius will key down at full power on full duty cycle for hours at at time. This is important if you work digital a lot. for those that rag chew almost all the time, yes this is more amp then anyone would need. And I am not writing a tag line for Flex to be clear.
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Here's a thought:

Why doesn't Flex toss all the names of ops that had to return new rigs due to bugs into a hat and pull 5  or 10 out and give them each a nice new shiny Power Genius for their troubles?

I have no dog in this fight so it doesn't matter to me but it sure would go a long way in pleasing the masses.  :)
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Can you name a company that does that?
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Yes, my cable  company gives free service sometimes when reception is poor or there are other problems.  It's good publicity and good customer service that goes a long way to improving the situation
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These are new products. The PG XL is a new partnership with 4O3A signature. There are some teething pains. I have had the amplifier since November or so, and there were some issues that Flex and 4O3A had to address. They have resources on site from 4O3A to help them sort through the issues. They also brought back Graham, KE9H who is one of the best in the business, and who has very deep knowledge of LDMOS amplifiers. He is managing the process. 

The rework items are items critical to performance, FCC compliance and protection. I have been doing a lot of hard testing of the amp on a daily basis, running high duty cycle digital and contests on all amateur bands. When I get mine back after the rework I'll go through this cycle again.  

So yes, it's a bit disappointing but in the end it will be worth it. I have been without mine while they do the rework so I feel the pain as well. The amplifier is the best I have owned and used by a mile, so I am sure it will be worth it. 
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Ria.....  Thank you for answering what the group wants to hear.  Basically Issues were identified.  Actions are in place but NO the units have not been returned to the testers.  As it is a month beyond the start of the Rework Process and you still have not received your reworked unit I and others are probably looking at a Summertime Release of the first Production / Reworked Units.  

Co-locating the 4O3A Folks at Flex to address the issues is a great move.  Working in basically a Workday Cycle away makes Troubleshooting and Corrective Actions very difficult.  FYI... I worked with Graham in an other company and another time and do agree with you.  He is one of the best and one that will get a hold of the Design/Process/Action Items and drive them to a complete and great product.  Certainly sure that his involvement will shorten that time frame but still to us that have put out the Grand to reserve the Amps over a year ago it is a painful time.

Thanks
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I ran both ARRL DX contests barefoot. I feel your pain. Cost me a 4 in 4 award from my club (compete in 4 contests, make 1m points in each). That said it’s worth it, and I can’t wait until I get it back. I made it clear that I wanted a good rework not just a hurried one.

That said Flex is doing everything they can, and have been very responsive to Alpha team concerns. Just a little more.
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I too would like to have gotten mine yesterday. But when I get it I want it to be as close to bugless as possible. And the interest on my 1k is much less than the cost of the tuner, which I will get for $0.
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Grasshopper, Chinese Proverb, have patience my son and you be rewarded when it is ready !
Rather have a superior product, so if it takes longer than expected, so be it !

73 Mike
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If you have ordered a PowerGenius and have signed up for the update emails, you should have an email in your inbox with an update from Gerald.  Just came out about 30 minutes ago.
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Burch, I don't see it in my inbox yet.  Could you post it?

Thanks,
howard
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Just got Gerald's update.  Very encouraging news!

Howard
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This is the body of Gerald's email.

Dear Valued Customer,

In my last Power Genius XL update on February 16, 2018, we communicated that we had begun the process of upgrading all field test units.  During the upgrade and stress test process, we discovered a new issue we felt needed to be resolved before completing the modifications. As of today, we have resolved the last known issue and are installing the final modifications for shipment back to the test team.  Field test team members will begin receiving their upgraded units next week.

We plan to allow the test team two weeks to validate the modifications in on air testing including CQ WPX on March 24-26.  Assuming the feedback is good, we are ready to release the balance of the first production run for shipment. Once we have completed this final test phase we will communicate our plan for delivery of the current order backlog.

Our major objective during this phase has been to make sure that your new Power Genius XL provides rugged legal limit power on all modes without backoff.  This goal has been achieved and we know you will be pleased with your purchase.

We will be in touch after we complete this final test phase.  Thank you so much for your continued patience.





73, Gerald  K5SDR

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There you go. Straight from Flex. 

Like I said - they are on it.
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Question, are you also testing the Tuner Genious also? That device also needs the same level of testing. One would not like to have problems with a tuner that was not vetted properly.

Pat
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Sounds promising Ria, and I look forward to hearing more from you on the so2r workflow in due course. As an owner of a 4o3a 2x8 so2r antenna switch I am interested in how the new amp interfaces with both the radio and the antenna switches. Hope the documentation will be available ahead of the public release shipping, as it will help the contesters among us get our heads around the so2r workflow. The 4o3a triplexer and bandpass filters are well tested and proven products, and so the amp plus good auto integration between them and ssdr should be a big step forward for so2r contesting. Ideally the uk dealer should be setting up a 6600 and the amp, triplexer and filters up in the showroom so that it will be possible to demo the whole set up for so2r. Enjoy the second phase of testing when you get it back and possibly see you in wpx contest
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Steve gw0gei / gw9j
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Steve

I have the 8x2 AG, triplexer and filters from Ranko. Like Ria I beta tested the PGXL (with a 6700) and I can say it worked seamlessly with the AG with no hiccups.

73

Tim VE6SH (and G4HUA)

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Hi Steve...  hopefully we can work you in the contest using my 6600/PGXL combo remotely.     You using GW0J?
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I’ll be testing the tuner genius as well. Primarily on low bands.

Ria
N2RJ
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Sounds very promising. I hope to be active in wpx but possibly only single band 20m from a friend's large antenna station and using my contest call gw9j. I was qrp on 80m in arrl dx cw with 5w from my Anan 7000 at home, just experimenting , but if I am at host station in wpx it will be qro into a large optibeam yagi. Taking a break from serious contesting this year whilst we are selling our current bottom of valley qth - so time to plan the future so2r station..
73
Steve gw0gei / gw9j
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Sounds very promising. I hope to be active in wpx but possibly only single band 20m from a friend's large antenna station and using my contest call gw9j. I was qrp on 80m in arrl dx cw with 5w from my Anan 7000 at home, just experimenting , but if I am at host station in wpx it will be qro into a large optibeam yagi. Taking a break from serious contesting this year whilst we are selling our current bottom of valley qth - so time to plan the future so2r station..
73
Steve gw0gei / gw9j
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Hi Steve, was looking for you but conditions were just downright awful. I worked a good bit of Europe on Saturday but Sunday they were almost nonexistent. 
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Hi Ria, sorry I didn't get on in the end, otherwise you would have heard me (large optibeam on 40ft boom and om3500 pa!) but we have a house sale viewing booked for the Monday so I had to spend all that weekend cutting grass and tidying the shack! I managed most of 24 hours this weekend in ukei cw contest, running from home with anan 7000 and spiderbeam plus lf wires - poor conditions on 20m but 80m was good. It was a longer contest try out for the anan with n1mm and it worked well on my lan, running cw straight from n1mm - was low power 100w assisted category. 
73 Steve gw0gei / gw9j
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Thanks Steve. Looks like CQWPX raw scores are out. I would say safely 2nd place USA but you never know. It ain't over til log checking!
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I met Tim at the Raleigh hamfest today.  He mentioned the PG-XL may start shipping as soon as May 1st!  I didn't submit my order until late in 2017 so I'm sure I'm down on the list, but that was certainly good news. 


Butch
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That's great news. I have no insight to this other than I am testing and was one of the alpha testers that did the testing for WPX. The improvements seem to work rather well. I have to give major props to Graham since he has been working very closely with the 4O3A team to get everything checked off the list so you guys can have it in your hands.

Meanwhile I have been having fun testing the amp, and 5.2M points in WPX with crappy condx was icing on the cake. If I hadn't slept so much on Fri-Sat I  could have likely done more. So far, I am 2nd place USA behind NN2DX which is an RHR operation on the coast of Maine, thus tough to beat.



My friend Allan, W2/EA3HSO also guest operated remotely from his iPad:

https://www.facebook.com/ria.h.jairam/videos/614072175598777/

He was visiting and staying in NYC. His little KX3 wasn't cutting it, so I told him to fire up the iPad and download SmartSDR for iOS and get on.

The PGXL was inline you can see it in action there.

I'll be talking about this and other remote adventures at Hamvention in the remote forum moderated by K6UFO, Friday 9:15AM room 2.
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Ria:
    This sounds very encouraging.  That the PGXL survived WPX intact is very good news indeed.  I look forward to them shipping MINE LOL.
Peter
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2nd place (claimed) behind RHR Maine with a single tower, I would say pretty impressive myself. LOL.

Ria
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Ria, isn't the PGXL amp sort of like, cheating?
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I have no problem waiting as long as it take to make sure the final product is as best it can be, which I am sure it will be, but I was hopeful from Gerard’s email of March 12, quoted above, to have shipments before May 01 as predicted by Tim.

Larry
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Ria, isn't the PGXL amp sort of like, cheating?

You funny.

I literally have 1/15 the station of most other high scoring competitors.
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How does your station compare to other SO2R competitors?
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I'm low down on the totem pole. They have stacks and 150-200' towers. I have a single 85' with a single large yagi and a 2nd one pointing South.
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This one is like 22 miles from me. No way I can compete with that.
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Doesn't take much operator skill to win when you have something like that. It's like you're buying an award. Where's the challenge?
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No, skill is still required. I know people who operate very good stations and still get beaten by people with moderate stations. 
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Come on over to the West Coast, operate SOABLP(U) and watch your score evaporate! Living on the East Coast is like being in a telephone booth. The best part is we have great weather... no snow here! It was 80 F this week.
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You know, I hear that constantly from West coast ops, but you guys have AA DX, JIDX and plenty Asian entities I haven't worked to return the favor. Besides, W7WA seems to have no problems,and he is West Coast, isn't he?

I still haven't worked XX9 and I absolutely refuse to use someone else's remote because I want to point to the DXCC honor roll plaque and say, "I did that with THIS station that I climbed the tower to put up." Meanwhile I am sure even P5 was a walk in the park from out where you are when it was on.

I am in NJ, not Maine or Vermont. From Maine they completely trounce us. Believe it or not from down here in NJ (I am closer to PA) it's not as easy as it seems. Sure, easier than W6 but not really a walk in the park.
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The number of operators from Aisa in contests is markedly reduced from years past. Move north of the 49th and issues with propagation become even more of a challenge and EU runs over the pole are often very limited. 

Tim VE6SH 

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DX contests will always favor NA East Coast, except for Asia centric contests.

Domestic contests also heavily feature regional competition. NAQP, sweepstakes, etc. and East Coast doesn't do as well due to the density of mults (New England) and distance from the rest of the US and Canada. 

VHF contests also tend to favor the central states, but not really. They are interesting because you can have two kinds - E Skip opening or work the locals. K2EZ likes the work the locals better as a rover because she can move around and have a predictable rove, and she pretty much knows all of them. 

So I think there is something for every geographical area in this game. 

But to imply no skill is needed is flat out wrong. In CQWW we saw the top 10 shift around because of accuracy. When dealing with high rates it's a lot easier to make mistakes and CQWW has penalties for incorrect copying. 
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You know all you have to do is look at how many countries within the a 4000 mile circle from your QTH and do the same with someone in Southern California. The difference is astounding. West Coast has about 15 countries and the East Coast has almost 4 times as many. Take into account the population density of hams in Europe and it is obvious that the West Coast is at a disadvantage.
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It's more complicated than that. Contesting is also a question of who you decide to compete against. I can't win against the super stations in Maine, and you can't win against the East Coast. Unless you compete in a lightly competed category (single band, for example) or you compete for regional plaques like zone 3. 

But this is not universally true:

 Living on the East Coast is like being in a telephone booth
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It is not that complicated! Just see how many world records are held by West Coast stations. Only a few have won a DX contest from Southern California in the 50 years I have been contesting.
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Of course. And look at how many in Sweepstakes, NAQP, All Asian, JIDX, etc. it's won by those out west or in the middle of the country. Even WPX SOSB/20 (a very competitive category) is often won by W7WA, and sometimes K7RL makes a high top 10 in WPX. But if you judge contesting just by judging CQWW and ARRL DX, you're not getting the whole picture. Yes, we get it, we have an advantage. But it's not an automatic win. 

Do you want me to feel guilty for living out here and operating from here? Because it sure sounds like it. Trust me, if I could, I would move out of NJ and live in middle America which aligns more closely with my values, or the Southern US where I have family to lean on. 

Anyway I'm done with this, and SORRY to bombard this thread addressing the W6 contest jealousy issues. But I'm done.
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Wow... ad hominem! One way to avert this sort of discussion is to not start it!!!! Avoid diatribes regarding how great you are at contesting. The message you should have received is stop boasting!!!

Another point... my family and my values are middle American. They were born there and I along with 1/3 this state voted along those lines. To make a backhanded attack about where someone you do not know lives is rude and obviously uncultured. Furthermore implying that they are jealous is something someone with middle American values would never do!!

That said the point I was making is that East Coast is advantaged over the West. I would extend that to say both coasts are advantaged over the center. No whining. No complaining. Just facts. Don't make something out of it that it is not!
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Why even mention the coastal difference? People say you only achieved A because you have advantage B. That’s essentially what you’re saying. I don’t buy it. That’s not very nice to put down people who work hard at something.

Am I not allowed to be proud of what my station and the Flex equipment can do in a competitive environment? I think that I am. By the way, Chris N6WM is in california and did quite well with a single band effort, AND he even showed off his results in RTTY roundup here which he did quite well in. I see you said nothing about that. Not that you should anyway.

Also, in 2018 it’s not like anyone is preventing you from moving or even guest operating outside of California. You choose to live with that limitation. You can remote to the east coast and enjoy the advantage here. Beware though, you won’t be the only big station out here and winning is not guaranteed.
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Compare the number of posts you have made to others on the subject! I have contested outside the US! I do not remote! I enjoy competing against myself. I have have been #1 North America from the Caribbean in the CQWW. I have operated from major West Coast contest stations. I have been doing this for 5 decades. I am not a big station and I do well enough. I do not whine about N6RO, W6YI, or any of the large contest and DX stations that have been in my region (W6BH, W6CCP, W6BA, N6AA, N6RT, N6DX, K6SVL, W6AM...). I celebrate their accomplishments as I hope they do with stations not as capable as theirs. Some were in my neighborhood much closer than 20 miles. I just do my thing!

I am out!
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Well... it has been a month since this thread was started. I received an email on 2/16 and no other communication. Other people I know who ordered received some indication that delivery will be in June. Have I missed some important emails?
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W2PP

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Are emails being sent to depositors? I’ve not seen anything
Peter
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W0BIZ

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I haven't either, made my deposit at the Orlando Hamcation  for a 6400
John/W0BIZ
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Richard

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I has been thinking the same thoughts....  2 months after Orlando and that was over a year since we gave our $1000 Deposit.  Not sure but the first Production / Beta Test Units went through their Testing Phase, then the Update Phase to the 2nd or 3rd Testing Under Fire Phase.....  At this point nothing heard since last months update from SDR.  Yes ONLY 1 Update sent since Orlando.  Not getting a "Warm and Fuzzy" Feeling with the lack of communication.  Fingers still crossed.

Dick - N4RWG
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John-KC2QMA

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One thing I will NEVER do again is put a deposit down on products that are not ready to ship, it’s just not worth the stress and anxiety. I will just wait till they are already on the market before I buy.

Also the waiting and disappointment sure takes the fun out of what should be a fun and exciting experience, and in this case your are paying $7000 to be upset.

"Fool me once shame on you fool me twice shame on me"

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Burch - K4QXX

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It would be nice to get an update on the amp.  It's been about a month since the last email update.

Burch K4QXX
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W2PP

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Again,m do you automatically get emails if you are a depositor?  I've not seen a one of them?
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Burch - K4QXX

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I have been getting the emails but I believe you have to request to be put on the email list.
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Richard

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To be sure go to the PGXL Link from the Amateur Products Link under the Flex Home Page.  If you go the bottom and you should see another link for "Newsletter".  Fill that out.  Of course it is my "assumption" that this puts you on the PGXL Newsletter and you should get an update, when released, be it that you are a Depositor or and Interested Party.

http://www.flexradio.com/amateur-products/powergenius-xl/
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Ria - N2RJ, Elmer

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Well, testing is going on. You should contact sales if you have any questions. They can probably give you an update. 
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Larry - W0NQW

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Can we stay on the topic of this thread?
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W2PP

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I would like to see a detailed official update on the PGXL frankly.  Today would be good.
Peter
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Official Response
I want to apologize for the lack of updates.  We are as busy as the proverbial one armed paper hanger around here so time flies.

As I previously communicated, we have a much larger than usual beta test group for Power Genius XL.  Since my last letter sent to the backlog customers, we have been busy upgrading 100% of the beta group units.  The first ones went out shortly after my last communication and the last ones will most likely go out on Monday.  Given the sheer volume of units in the field, it has taken that long to get the units shipped in, upgraded, and shipped back.  We wanted to have at least two weeks of beta testing with the upgraded units before GA release.

Many of the upgraded units have been in operation for a that long now so I expect that we will get at thorough update from the project manager, Graham Haddock, early next week.  He reported today in our company meeting that there are no hardware issues reported from the field testing so far after the upgrade.  You can see that Ria has been using the amp with great success for a few weeks as reported earlier in this thread.  

Once Graham gives his report next week, I think we will be ready to give more specific delivery information.  

Thanks for your patience.  It is a great product but we wanted to make sure it is bullet proof before we began broader shipments.

73,
Gerald
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Jeffrey Kerber, N3VE

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Gerald, thanks for the update and will see you in Dayton. Hope to have the amp before then.

Jeff N3VE

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Richard

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Gerald,  Thank you for the update.  I too will be in Dayton and hoping that I may have a very positive report to give you....

Dick - N4RWG
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Brad A. Steffler

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Thank you, Gerald.

Brad
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Pat - WH6HI

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Well I guess I need to get my 220 line installed! Thanks Gerald

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