N1MM with 2 Flex 6500. Contest class

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We are planning to operate CQWW SSB with two Flex 6000 series radios. We a re looking to run Multi Op singe transmitter. One run radio and one pulling different band Mults only

My question is that when setting up the Run Flex for SO2V with N1MM you actually set up Slice A as radio 1 and Slice b as Radio 2.

Is N1MM going to look at and log as two radios thus making the overall station multi multi with three radios not the physical 2

We want to be multi single and I want to make sure I'm legal

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I knew this was gonna happen.. I guess its a good problem for the flex team to have.  I will help navigate this with you as I think the CQ committee will need some guidance.

This one may be more complicated and may require communication with the CQWW contest manager.  The question challenges not only flex innovations as well as limitations(1 flex per PC instance.. currently) by virtue of the definition of a "radio",   and in doing so it will push the envelope of the rules.   I am going to review the contest rules as pertains to CQWW then I will comment further but may need to contact the committee.  KR2Q is new to this so lets see how it goes.

CQWW strictly enforces rules..  

QRX

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I think if you have two physical radios you'll be within the rules. The rules states "transmitter" and not "radio." So wherever your transmit slice is is what matters. I don't think you can run 2 VFOs at the same time in N1MM with two radios. It's either one radio with two VFOs or two radios with 1 VFO each. Just dedicate one to the mult, one to the run and you should be fine.
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That is probably the case but I am looking into some other possibilities as well.  just want to make sure.  but yes computer 1 on N1MM instance 1 and RUN and Computer 2 and 1 N1MM instance 2 as mult may be ok.  He brought up SO2V also.. so just want to make sure we are all ok.  a careful review of the rules is never a bad thing.
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Ok.. here are the rules as far as multi-single goes

Single Transmitter (MULTI-ONE): Only one transmitted signal on one band permitted during any 10-minute period (run transmitter). Exception: One — and only one — other transmitted signal (multiplier transmitter) may be used during any 10-minute period, if — and only if — it is on a different band from the run transmitter and the station worked is a new multiplier. The run and multiplier transmitters are governed by independent 10-minute rules. Ten-minute periods begin with the first QSO on a band. The log must indicate which transmitter (run or multiplier) made each QSO. The multiplier transmitter may not call CQ (solicit contacts).

Source: http://www.cqww.com/rules.htm

So  My interpretation

 Flex one -- run radio.  computer 1 N1MM instance 1 (SO2V or SO2R on one band is ok.  if you go to 2 bands 10 minute rule will apply.  No one says you cant have another slice open for band awareness however but tx there and you are stuck there for 10)  Flex 2 computer 2 N1MM instance 2 -- Mult radio  same deal watch that 10 minute rule.   You can network the two instances so the log is unified.

Thats the way I see it.

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I have also sent an inquiry to the CQWW committee to confirm.
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Chris, in a SSDR setup, you can open a panadapter with no slice and it still allows you to monitor whether the band is open or not, does this affect anything?
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According to the rules as written it's ok in my interpretation. But that is why I have inquired with the contest manager
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Between SDRs and remote operators (and remote operators using Maestros (is that really remote?) its a real mess. Thanks for trying to figure this one out!
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You will need to run RCA-RCA cables between TXREQ and TX1 of each radio for lock-out and enable TX1 output on both radios.
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The real question to make sure I get answer to what I am asking is

Run radio flex 6500. Slice a and slice b both on 20 meters. N1mm interface labels them as radio 1 and radio 2

S & P radio flex 670O slice a 40 meters looking for mults only

What does that look like in the log is it within the guidelines on multi one we will be using networked logs.
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here is a sample of when I was running 2 instances SO2R on 15m.

note the cabrillo file does not specify the radio

QSO: 21029 CW 2016-05-28 0004 N6RO          599 0030   JE4MHL        599 0004    
QSO: 14037 CW 2016-05-28 0004 N6RO          599 0008   CS2C          599 0008    
QSO: 28010 CW 2016-05-28 0004 N6RO          599 0029   K6NR          599 0003    
QSO: 21029 CW 2016-05-28 0005 N6RO          599 0031   JF1KML        599 0004    
QSO: 21029 CW 2016-05-28 0005 N6RO          599 0032   N3RC          599 0002    
QSO: 14046 CW 2016-05-28 0006 N6RO          599 0009   SN7Q          599 0013    
QSO: 21029 CW 2016-05-28 0006 N6RO          599 0033   K0KR          599 0005    
QSO: 14046 CW 2016-05-28 0006 N6RO          599 0010   8P5A          599 0017    
QSO: 21029 CW 2016-05-28 0006 N6RO          599 0034   JA1CHY        599 0002    
QSO: 21029 CW 2016-05-28 0007 N6RO          599 0035   K8LS          599 0006    
QSO: 21029 CW 2016-05-28 0007 N6RO          599 0036   JG3FEA        599 0005    
QSO: 21029 CW 2016-05-28 0008 N6RO          599 0037   JA1IFB        599 0001    
QSO: 28010 CW 2016-05-28 0008 N6RO          599 0030   LW6DG         599 0006    
QSO: 21029 CW 2016-05-28 0008 N6RO          599 0038   JA2KKA        599 0005    
QSO: 21029 CW 2016-05-28 0009 N6RO          599 0039   JJ0PJD        599 0001    
QSO: 14017 CW 2016-05-28 0009 N6RO          599 0011   NE0F          599 0024    
QSO: 21029 CW 2016-05-28 0010 N6RO          599 0040   VK2IR         599 0002    
QSO: 14016 CW 2016-05-28 0010 N6RO          599 0012   VE6EX         599 0007    
QSO: 14016 CW 2016-05-28 0010 N6RO          599 0013   W9OP          599 0011    
QSO: 21029 CW 2016-05-28 0011 N6RO          599 0041   N9LYE         599 0001    
QSO: 14016 CW 2016-05-28 0011 N6RO          599 0014   WA6KHK        599 0006    
QSO: 21029 CW 2016-05-28 0011 N6RO          599 0042   JR2GRX        599 0009    
QSO: 21029 CW 2016-05-28 0012 N6RO          599 0043   NH6Y          599 0004    
QSO: 14016 CW 2016-05-28 0012 N6RO          599 0015   K5MXG         599 0010    
QSO: 21029 CW 2016-05-28 0013 N6RO          599 0044   JR2PMT        599 0007    
QSO: 14006 CW 2016-05-28 0013 N6RO          599 0016   AB3CX         599 0037    
QSO: 21029 CW 2016-05-28 0013 N6RO          599 0045   KH6CJJ        599 0006    
QSO: 21029 CW 2016-05-28 0014 N6RO          599 0046   N7WY          599 0010    
QSO: 28010 CW 2016-05-28 0014 N6RO          599 0031   N6AA          599 0007    
QSO: 14039 CW 2016-05-28 0014 N6RO          599 0017   VP5M          599 0023    
QSO: 28010 CW 2016-05-28 0015 N6RO          599 0032   KH6CJJ        599 0007    
QSO: 21029 CW 2016-05-28 0015 N6RO          599 0047   JG3WDN        599 0003    
QSO: 21029 CW 2016-05-28 0015 N6RO          599 0048   W2AW          599 0011    
QSO: 21029 CW 2016-05-28 0016 N6RO          599 0049   JH2MYN        599 0004    
QSO:  7032 CW 2016-05-28 0016 N6RO          599 0005   N8WP          599 0005    
QSO: 21029 CW 2016-05-28 0016 N6RO          599 0050   JF3EIG        599 0004    
QSO: 21029 CW 2016-05-28 0016 N6RO          599 0051   AK5X          599 0028    
QSO: 14043 CW 2016-05-28 0017 N6RO          599 0018   N9GBB         599 0006    
QSO: 21029 CW 2016-05-28 0017 N6RO          599 0052   KU6F          599 0017    
QSO: 21029 CW 2016-05-28 0017 N6RO          599 0053   JH7XGN        599 0002    
QSO: 28010 CW 2016-05-28 0017 N6RO          599 0033   K0FX          599 0018    
QSO: 21029 CW 2016-05-28 0018 N6RO          599 0054   NN5Z          599 0004    
QSO: 28010 CW 2016-05-28 0018 N6RO          599 0034   AH6V          599 0001    
QSO: 14033 CW 2016-05-28 0018 N6RO          599 0019   NJ8M          599 0014    
QSO: 21029 CW 2016-05-28 0018 N6RO          599 0055   NW8U          599 0014    
QSO: 21029 CW 2016-05-28 0019 N6RO          599 0056   JR1UFN        599 0003    
QSO: 14054 CW 2016-05-28 0019 N6RO          599 0020   W6AEA         599 0029    
QSO: 14056 CW 2016-05-28 0019 N6RO          599 0021   NF2RS         599 0009    
QSO: 14059 CW 2016-05-28 0020 N6RO          599 0022   HI3TT         599 0027    
QSO:  7033 CW 2016-05-28 0020 N6RO          599 0006   K7ULS         599 0004    
QSO: 14060 CW 2016-05-28 0020 N6RO          599 0023   K3MD          599 0043    
QSO:  7033 CW 2016-05-28 0020 N6RO          599 0007   VC7G          599 0003    
QSO: 14061 CW 2016-05-28 0020 N6RO          599 0024   K2DSW         599 0007    
QSO: 21029 CW 2016-05-28 0020 N6RO          599 0057   K0FD          599 0014    
QSO: 14063 CW 2016-05-28 0021 N6RO          599 0025   PY5FB         599 0009    
QSO: 21029 CW 2016-05-28 0021 N6RO          599 0058   JA1SCE        599 0008    
QSO:  7033 CW 2016-05-28 0022 N6RO          599 0008   KF7GGN        599 0001    
QSO: 14066 CW 2016-05-28 0022 N6RO          599 0026   NP2W          599 0021    
QSO: 21029 CW 2016-05-28 0022 N6RO          599 0059   JI1LNR        599 0004    
QSO: 14067 CW 2016-05-28 0022 N6RO          599 0027   NA8V          599 0034    
QSO:  7033 CW 2016-05-28 0023 N6RO          599 0009   W7WH          599 0001    
QSO: 14064 CW 2016-05-28 0023 N6RO          599 0028   K1GU          599 0019    
QSO: 21029 CW 2016-05-28 0023 N6RO          599 0060   JA5GCI        599 0003    
QSO: 14004 CW 2016-05-28 0024 N6RO          599 0029   KC8R          599 0014    
QSO: 21029 CW 2016-05-28 0025 N6RO          599 0061   JG6JAV        599 0007    
QSO: 14009 CW 2016-05-28 0025 N6RO          599 0030   NR7DX         599 0058    
QSO: 28010 CW 2016-05-28 0025 N6RO          599 0035   KX6M          599 0007    
QSO: 28010 CW 2016-05-28 0025 N6RO          599 0036   KX7M          599 0007    
QSO: 14012 CW 2016-05-28 0026 N6RO          599 0031   N1RR          599 0065    
QSO: 21029 CW 2016-05-28 0026 N6RO          599 0062   JA7BME        599 0015    
QSO: 14017 CW 2016-05-28 0027 N6RO          599 0032   WU3A          599 0058    
QSO: 14017 CW 2016-05-28 0027 N6RO          599 0033   WR1ST         599 0058    
QSO: 14009 CW 2016-05-28 0027 N6RO          599 0034   KU7T          599 0041    
QSO: 21029 CW 2016-05-28 0028 N6RO          599 0063   JA4XHF/3      599 0007    
QSO: 28010 CW 2016-05-28 0028 N6RO          599 0037   CW4MAX        599 0007    
QSO: 14017 CW 2016-05-28 0028 N6RO          599 0035   W8BI          599 0023    
QSO: 21029 CW 2016-05-28 0028 N6RO          599 0064   W6FA          599 0014    
QSO: 14018 CW 2016-05-28 0028 N6RO          599 0036   NR4M          599 0051
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Just the QRG.  this was in WPX and was a multi-multi operation.  N1MM logger +
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I implicitly asked that question for clarification
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