We are already several weeks behind from 1.3, let's use the next couple months to finish some existing features and add a few minor ones. Then pickup with remote operation.
Here are some examples that I hate to wait until after remote operation to see.
- Useable NB, NR, ANF(my pet peeve)
- Fully functional tuner
- Band maps on the pan adapter
- Color palettes
- Improved S-meter
- Spots on the waterfall
73s de Guy G4DWV/4X1LT
I also understand that Flex is in business to sell radios and make money so that they can stay in business
WAN and LAN remote is a HUGE marketing advantage which will not only differentiate Flex from everyone else in the market but more important it will sell a heck of a lot more radios...than those desirable enhancements.
I suspect that Flex is going to need those sales and Version 2.0 software revenues (LAN) in order to have the necessary resources to pay the costs of further enhancements...
Have you noticed that there has not been a real, in-depth article by QST on the 6000 family of Radios? I would almost bet, just basing what I would do if I were FRS, that this is intentional. I bet the QST writers and FRS Marketing folks are waiting to have LAN/WAN ability released and in use. We'll then see a bunch of articles written on the 6000. This ability is THE game changer in the Amateur Radio business and will be the talk-of-the-town. We certainly don't want any of the big three (or Elecraft) to beat them to the LAN/WAN punch. What bad press that would be!
Everyone has an opinion, but in the end, FRS must do what keeps money coming in the door. Everything in Jon's posting are wonderful ideas and over time i think that they will find there way into a release. In my opinion, there are bigger fish to fry.
Stay the course.
I am fine with the way things are playing out.
of the points you bring up I am only interested in Band Maps on the Panadapter.
Fix jagged video on scope...Jaggies. Zoom in...You;ll see what I mean.
Fix CWX if there is any way to link delays and speeds to the main controls.
Your pet peeve is mine as well. I really really miss the outstanding NB on my Flex 5000. I find myself having to use my 5000 instead of my 6300 at times when my local power line noise is high. That is the only thing I don't like about my 6300. Otherwise, it is outstanding.
Any release of any mod/upgrade /enhancement has it's bugs . The Alpha & beta guys are there with an monumental effort to weed out these WHOOPS events . Usually it results in modifications/corrections before it is released . Hesse a fully operational upgrade .
The problem is :
We all have different setups.
For sure some are Different from the Alpha & Beta group testers or they would have found it .
So Flex please follow your master plan . Please during any of the release's
Anything needing fix is FIXED . Then move on .
I think they are doing this once you get past some of the egos
The roadmap is great - and to suddenly switch plans (especially in regards to LAN and later WAN capabilities) would be unfair to those valuing those features who have been patiently waiting.
The additional suggestions are of course quite valid and perhaps could be ADDED to the RoadMap (some have been hinted about being potential add-ins or early deliveries than the Roadmap suggests).
Looking over the Roadmaps in the various versions, FRS has delivered what they have mapped, often releases had much more than what was mapped out.
Holding this last release 2-3 weeks to allow another Beta-Test cycle was smart and what I would expect of them - that FRS would never knowingly send untested/broken software out is a major part of the trust they have earned with us.
We all have some favorite features we'd like to see right now, but that isn't the 6x00/SmartSDR program we bought into eyes wide open.
I disagree with any farther delay in WAN availability!
Assuming the current Road Map holds, it will be 3 years since the introduction of the 6000 series, an introduction which promoted WAN heavily. Many antenna restricted people such as myself made a purchasing decision based on this as it was the answer to our survival as Hams. To us, WAN is not a "nice to have" feature, it is an "existential" one.
So lets not kick the WAN can down the road any farther, it's been far too long already.
BTW --I believe the WAN market is much larger than believed otherwise why would competitors be rushing to met this need. TT's Omni07 has done nicely having this capability which I have used since it's release in 2007.
Let's keep on mushing forward with WAN!!!
For many of us with Advanced Antennas systems - like a SteppIR... the ATU is not an issue... as the antenna is always less than 2:1 on all frequencies - So we usually do not use the ATU
All SDR radios I have ever seen are just advanced Beta Software projects... Something is always changing as we find out about how it works vs how most of us need it to work once it is tested in a larger gene pool
The beauty of SDR software is that virtually everything can be changed in software.. So the radio you buy today is not the radio you will be using tomorrow...
"I get the impression that FR releases functions in a basic but functional state when they should give a but more time to raise the bar a bit".
really shows that you do not currently own a Flex Radio... Most of us Owners want Flex to release features into the wild as soon as they are stable so that we can test them and suggest improvements to them.. Flex is really responsive to suggestions for changes.. but they really can't develop those changes until the basic stuff is tested by a large gene pool to determine what is missing
Legacy radio systems have been around for a 100 years... which means that they have had a lot of time to decide what is needed and what is not....
In time, SDR's will meet or exceed every feature of a Legacy Radio
BTW... I have been reading your posts for several weeks now about your getting a 6300 in 2 weeks... When will you be getting yours? I will be in the UK for 4 days at the end of September ...So if you finally get yours I may be able to help you set it up....
I'm sure an updated road map will come eventually but as V1.x winds to a close soon, its natural for inquiring minds to want to know. Maybe taking some time sooner than later to develop and publish the 2.x road map would be worthwhile.
Priorities -- As far as the currently published priority, although WAN remote is not the most important feature to some of us, I am fine with what is planned and agree that for those that have been waiting, it would not be fair to push it back. I suspect most would agree especially if they had a better idea of where the other things fall.
Just seeing where the other items fall on the 2.x road map would be great, even if some of our favorites are out 12-18 months.
Regards, Al / NN4ZZ
al (at) nn4zz (dot) com
The releases need a good balance of the three areas.
The TNF (Notch) is superb. Best implementation of any radio ever. The complaint is from some people who would like the NR and NB to be more effective than it currently is.
You can definitely drive this sports car when it rains. Maybe not as fast as some drivers but as fast as I can drive.
This last release was the largest one to date as the profiles effect almost everything in the radio and there are thousands of things that could have gone wrong. I think this is the main reason NB and many noise filters are not working well. It would be a bad idea to get them working BEFORE profiles was added. Now that profiles is added it may be time to work on other fixes now we know how profiles effects them. This release had more testing needed than any other release for that reason.
It Amazed me it came off that we well,,very good Flex and all who help. Think Many should cut them some slack, If they understood what a huge project this is, many of the comments I read would be much different. Can you imagine what SSDR would be like today if Microsoft had developed it? You think it has problems now..lol
Flex Radio rocks... :-)
As I am living in a high noise surrounding , I was very glad witn the FLEX 5000. The NR and NB are working perfect. I hope to get the same in my FLEX 6700 as soon as possible. The ANF and TNF in the 6700 are working very good for me in SSB. For me the NR and NB has a much higher priority as LAN and WAN.
no way i will paid for fix basic thing like LAN crash and TUNER that usable
whit 1.3.0 still need to poll radio via CAT for keep it from crash , i well documented that
and it really east to fix .. i actually do it myself whit a external terminal application
and for be able to fully use additional slice for look for better DX spot
need to buy a External tuner ... since Change RX slice put off the ATU on TX slide
this is also very easy to fix
make base work ,then will happy to paid for nice option feature
I don't believe that we need any major delays in the roadmap to "catch up."
I have been very pleased and impressed at the progress over the past year since I got my 6500 in the second wave of "pre-release." Each release has added important utility to my operation, and more enjoyment.
While this is by far the best performing rig I have ever owned in my 40 years in ham radio.
I do agree that there are some important performance fixes and enhancements that should probably be on the list as they prepare V. 4. Some are already on the roadmap, but others are what I might call "unfinished business" and "tweaks."
FM and Local LAN operation are major enhancements that are already on the "map" for 1.4.
I would also like to see programmable "sweet spots" for DigiU & DigiL that allows proper frequency readout and click-tuning on mark or space frequency. Or perhaps a dedicated RTTY mode. I can currently adjust my RIT/XIT up by 1415 Hz and get there. I also set my TX Filter at 300, centered on the 1500 Hz sweet spot of FlDigi. This way, I can use the 300 Hz Blue RX filter stripe to indicate my RX frequency and the 300 Hz Red TX Filter nicely indicates my RTTY TX frequency. This makes it very hand in a RTTY split pileup.
After that, I would suggest that they make serious effort on the following:
NB - is OK, but needs some more work before it is First Class, especially on 10 & 6 Meters and above.
NR - seems to lack much adjustment and could be tweaked. I don't find it to be as effective as the one on PowerSDR
APF - is pretty good, but could use some additional refinement, perhaps addition of adjustable volume as well as 'Q'
ANF - is usable but still distorts the audio too much.
Thankfully the TNF is awesome! and so effective that I hardly ever use ANF!
AGC - I would like to see a Custom AGC offered with several parameters such as attack, hang, decay, and pulse activation level that would allow fine tuning the AGC response for varying band conditions. I wouldn't need sliders or up/down arrows, simply boxes to put numbers in on a set up page that define those timing elements.
Double Peak RTTY Filters, anyone? This could help reduce some interference on RTTY. It would also be a great visual cue to help tuning.
GUI - This is what I will call "interfacing and metering."
There are several metering enhancements that could be achieved, for example:
S-Meter. I really would like to see something similar to the options in PowerSDR, which include a larger meter, selectable formats & colors, and a digital readout integrated into the display, with options for peak hold, and averaging/dampening.
Power Output & SWR Meter - I would love to see a display with more contrast, especially for those with color sight issues, as well as a digital power output option with peak and average options. I would NOT want the meters for Power, SWR or S-Meter to be replaced with digital ONLY. Numbers are great for some things, but better to quickly visualize changes.
General Options and interfacing... There are several operating parameters that could be made adjustable with up/down arrows and numbers rather than sliders (just like CW Pitch, TX Low Cut/High Cut, etc .) This is more precise and repeatable. And they might take up less room on the display. Click & Hold could allow for speedy adjustment of large number swings.
I would like RX EQ and RIT/XIT settings and status to be linked to the Transmit Profiles so I can set up custom RX EQ modes for different situations. changing RX EQ, RIT/XIT and AGC settings every time I change from Rag Chew to DX to RTTY to CW consumes a lot of my time. Having them linked to Transmit Profiles would let me customize all of these related operational parameters. Global Profiles is not a good solution for this because the Global Profile also changes frequency, mode, panadapter, slice, and other things that I do not want to change "on the fly" in a busy operating session.
ATU - Needs to be much Smarter. It should not require reactivating and re-tuning the ATU merely because I changed modes, or Transmit profiles. (Bands, or Antennas, yes) Please fix this logic. If I haven't changed frequency substantially or changed the antenna port, the ATU should keep its current state.
Later, you can add more intelligence, i.e. frequency & antenna memories that will remember the last setting of the ATU for that frequency and antenna. This would speed everything up greatly.
I would like to see better AGC Speed and AGC-T persistence linked to Band and Mode. As it is, many times when I click on a spot it doesn't go back to my "default" AGC settings for that band & mode.
Perhaps there could be a global parameter default settings form where these could be entered? I know that Global profiles should take care of this, but it doesn't seem to fully implement it.
I make all of these suggestions, not as gripes, but as enhancement suggestions. As I have said, this is a superb rig. I am only dreaming of additional utility that will make it a rig that so "leading edge" that the other guys can't even hope of catching up.
That being said... I do not want to see WAN remote capabilities delayed while these are being implemented. As others have said, WAN Remote is an important feature for many of our owners and potential buyers. I am away that many of us may never use it. But many users never use SSB, or RTTY, or CW either. WAN Remote paves the way to so many innovations that we have only begun to dream of them.
Keep up the good work, FRS. You have a great product. I look forward to seeing it get even better.
Since many of the suggestions may be of interest in another topic chain, I will post this in a new "Idea" as well.
Ken - NM9P
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