I am sure you are wrong but really...
They just introduce an absolutely killer product and this is your response? Let the new discovery of the Maestro run its course and see how Flex reacts, why raise this storm cloud now?
I'm not saying there isn't significant effort to achieve this, but its not as bad as having to recode, as an example, the same DSP function for each client that its going to run on.
I don't have my Maestro yet and am really looking forward to getting my hands on one to play with, bring on the WAN please.
Maestro is another client with a physical interface. As we add features some will map across both PC and Maestro platforms and some will not. Some will only make sense on the PC GUI and some will make sense only on Maestro. If you like a Mac or iPad interface you can operate with those too. That's a new paradigm for ham radio.
I keep telling anyone that will listen at FLEX that if you would hurry up and get WAN, you will probably kill any and all competition. If you launched the 6xxx series with WAN from day one, you would of completely owned the market.
Let's face it, a SDR with native WAN capability...or one that does not have it (or requires all sorts of unreliable trickery)... which one would you choose?
What's the current roadmap for WAN?
Learning that the heavy lifting done for Maestro has already bettered the other "flavors" of SmartSDR, and that each step forward will bring the various parts (for Maestro, for Windows, Radio Service) all forward at the same time is neat.
The clarification that developments are largely cross-platform is appreciated! Very cool!
Thank you and 73
So another year+ for WAN?? Start working on it later this year?? I thought it was working and only some security issues remained?
So lots of my friends (and thousands of others) just got an Icom 7300 WAN works well right out of the box. Is a 7300 a 6500...well no, but in a year will a 7xxx go flying by....maybe. Flex did the innovation...but will they be passed & potential customers will buy one of the big 3....due to lack of resource to get things done in a timely manor? I hope not...as I have a 6500...but a lot of folks are saying just that. It is not my company...but IMHO the Maestro should have waited. After all looking at the long term if you don't sell a bunch of 6xxx's...you don't sell any Maestros.
When I got my 6300 then upgraded to 6500 no mention of a Maestro coming along & delaying all the things promised was made.
I think the big 3 saw the success Flex has had ...and the great architecture...and are jumping on the band wagon with lots of resources.
For now I would not trade my Flex for anything on the market....BUT...I came in early...lots of guys are buying the 7300 and reviews are stellar...a lot of these guys are getting it as there new radio...these are customers probably not going to get a Flex once they are in with Icom.
I only played with my friends 7300 for a while, but one thing is the RX is super quiet and the NR is much better than my $4300 Flex 6500.
Have you tried CW? Where is the ethernet connection that makes the 7300 work in a network out of the box? Or do you need a computer? Is the software included with your purchase?
The 7300 is a great seller for the price but it is not even close to the panadapter performance of a 1500!! Every time I ask about the resolution of the display, or the FPS of the panadapter, or the power spikes at lower power settings, or the OVF effect of running another radio next to the Icom I obtain ZERO responses. There is no desire to talk about the technical prowess of the device or its downfalls.
Furthermore, someone please point me to the ICOM forum where we can have this discussion and have their owners reply!! Anyone?? Want to bet anything that I will obtain no response to any of the bolded questions?
All the talk about the 7300 is always to try to rile up Flex owners....and in this forum, with persons whose only participation in the forum is to talk about the 7300, persons that offer no technical insight or any value to the conversation,
We all know we just can't compare the devices, they are not in the same ballpark or even league. They are completely different animals.
How many people, given the opportunity, will trade their 6300 for a 7300?
And how many will trade their 7300 for a 6300?? No money added or deducted... just straight up trade... I bet you almost none with a 6300 and many with 7300.
Do not fool yourself and others.... the 6300 is a much better radio, better resolution, better design, better upgrade path. You need two 7300 to do what you can do with one 6300.
Ultimately, what does that radio or any other have to do with sales for Flex? Steve is 100% correct, owning one brand does not preclude me from owning other.
I suspect rumors of the 7300 being the best thing since sliced bread is about as accurate as a signal from 1,000 miles away wiping out the 7300.
Even if the 7300 is vastly outselling the Flex line, it's a fraction of the price, that doesn't mean the Flex line isn't 2 or 3 of the best radios available. The Flex being really good doesn't mean the 7300 must suck (that is zero sum).
N2WQ's post make more sense to me than ANYTHING!
It is: The WAN cat is already out of the bag, but if this was my business I'd kill the entire WAN roadmap. Instead, I'd focus on finishing all core features, squashing bugs, and further refining the GUI. Meanwhile, partner with a third party that has the skills to develop a WAN solution.
Let's quit messing around with all the other stuff and get done what his post suggests.
If I were Flex I would do that for sure....as the other guys in SDR or already having products (Icom etc) I see as a definite threat. How many really want / need a Maestro? How many really want/need WAN? AS COMPARED to the radio itself. Oh well....time will tell the story.
Collins, Drake, Hallicrafters etc were king until the Japanese radios came to town....now there gone.
But are still really great radios by the way as I happen to have had most of them in the last 15 years.
Meanwhile, just powering up the 6500....a great radio already. (What will I have in 2-5 years?? The best SDR radio at that time as I love the SDR approach/performance (hoping it will still be a Flex)
Knobed radio?? Huh??
If I wanted a knobbed radio...I sure wound not have bought a 6500. I love running the 6500 with a big 27" screen. I would have kept the Orion II if I wanted knobs. OR I would have kept my Collins equipment and the Drake stuff too...The R-4C I had was and still is very high on Rob Sherwoods list.
However some do like Knobs....they can't keep the Icom 7300 in stock anywhere. I don't mind needing a PC as I use one in the shack anyhow(don't most of you?)
As to the question on the Approach/Performance I was talking about the superb RX we get on the direct conversion...SDR stuff, (6500 in my case).
The future hasn't even been manufactured yet,
and it's probably still open for suggestions.
I'm a little confused here...so you guys are saying that you want knobs, but bought a radio without knobs....and now don't mind paying $1200 for knobs AND a screen that will not be effective for panadapter/waterfall for 4-8 slices? If that's true...then a MFG that has a Direct conversion front end with top of the line DSP from there backward will be wonderful? Of course it will be a knob radio. An entry level (excellent performance and value) just came out from Icom and loads of people are buying it so it does appear that's what a lot of folks want. I had a TT Orion II and for a long time was at the top of Rob Sherwoods list (still pretty high up) BUT I got the Flex for the way it works on a large PC screen and the direct conversion approach (many reasons) and the promise it will have the best performance with weak sig DX and close in selectivity...WITH a great GUI that will be enhanced as what I was shown at Dayton 2014 was just the beginning and have WAN by end of 2015.
So if it's that important to add knobs and eliminate the PC to delay all the other stuff...well I guess the direction sure changed after I bought the radio.
I may be all wet....but I don't see a huge number of Hams paying $4300-$7000 for a radio without knobs and then buying a add on for $1200 to make it a knob radio.
I do see a huge number of hams buying a radio that already has knobs, a direct conv. front end with world class DSP and performance top of the line for $2500-$5000. I think we now have the beginning and I think the above is coming soon from several MFG.
I am saying....5 of my close friends just got 7300's. I spend an evening with on last week....and nothing I saw would have me get one instead of my Flex 6500...not so much from function/performance...but because it does not operate like my Flex.
You cannot run the radio fully, with no latency, from the PC screen Icom provided SW. AND it is a small screen, not a full any size you want PC monitor. The screen using Icom's current SW is not scalable...you don't get the full screen operation. Don't get me wrong it is very nice and for $1500...WOW. I guess we see where it goes from here. Let's get the core functions, GUI, other things needing improvement finished on the Flex! Then let's see if the other guys can ever get that beautiful full screen operation going, If they can...then I guess it will be very competitive.
My question is if it is so quite then why is the comment about the noise reduction being so good being made in the same post by the poster.? It would seem to me that if the radio was quite, then there would be no need to use the noise reduction.
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