Maestro Outputs

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I recently cancelled my Maestro order when I discovered it had no facility for driving an external HDMI monitor. It seems to me this would be a very useful and obvious facility and might widen the appeal of this already brilliant product.

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Yes, fully agree. I guess that will be the MK2
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Chris DL5NAM

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... i thinking also for canceling. Maestro has no connection for my coffee maker and shows not if the dish washer ready.
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KY6LA - Howard, Elmer

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Me too

It does not have an outlet to plug in my cold beer dispenser.

Realistically running a HDMI display will happen when the 6000 series can run multiple simultaneous instances of GUI via a PC.
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Kevin Va3KGS

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Already have 3 monitors connected to the Flex Computer.  The Maestro is for the Bedroom !!
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Burt Fisher

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When  your mate has a headache?
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Kevin Va3KGS

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She loves Technology <?/.)#$ What the hell is that you have now!!  You said you wanted my toy(s) to be smaller !!
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Jim Gilliam

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Run it on an iPhone and use Air Play to stream to a video monitor as large as an amphitheater.
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Peter, I believe you missed the target audience and role of the Maestro. It was obvious this is NOT a PC or intended to be a replacement for one. If it was then there would be no need to continue with SSDR software.

The Maestro was designed to give a user portable and/or remote operation in a relatively small footprint. If you consider the wifi and battery capability it helps you understand the intended purpose. If you are doing Field Day or an Expedition an HDMI monitor for tuning a radio is not needed.

Of course this doesn't mean you couldn't use it in place of PC, which many will do but not the sole purpose.

Besides until they come out with a foldable 30" HDMI monitor that I can put in the case it doesn't do me much good. :)

Also, curious can you list the number of other radios you have that support hdmi monitors ?
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I don't think "portable and/or remote operation" totally encapsulates the target market.  I think Maestro is also very much targeting the contesting market and general users who simply want a knobbed front panel.

Barry N1EU
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Lee - N2LEE

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 Barry I would agree with that. That certainly is an appeal to the Knobbers. :)
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Chris DL5NAM

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Maybe, but why need Knobbers battery and WIFI ? But Knobbers need HDMI for 95" TV flat screen :-)  and Maestro no offer.
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In the contesting mode a Maestro typically would be in Parallel to a PC, as one will be needed for logging.  That is the configuration FRS had been showing at conventions.

As a sort of "all around the house device" the Maestro's wireless independence is a driving feature, that while it doesn't preclude an HDMI output doesn't require it either.

My "Moveable Operating Station" will become a Maestro and a Laptop for flexibility.  Expecting at times to run both on batteries. 

With that sort of configuration if FRS offered a software module that would repeat or emulate the Maestro's touchscreen, it would be really nice to include that in the PC's display - which all could be run out to an HDMI connected large-scale monitor.

73

Steve

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Buy a Microsoft Surface Pro 4. Amazing with SSDR! And, HDMI for free! I too, thought I must have knobs to be bona-fide ... but no longer. The secret is a good wireless mouse or pointing device. I am evaluating them now .. as we speak! Moving past knobs and into the future ...

W7NGA  dan
San Juan Island, Wa.
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And ... let's not forget the joys of talking to your Windows 10 computer - "Hey Cortana ... please tune to 21.430 Mhz, AM mode, dbx4800 profile, call CQ AM, ignore any SSB responses, repeat if no valid reply"

and magic happens!

"best 73's Cortana, please shut down now, the SS Sweepstakes are starting!"
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Ahh yes... Cortana the magical station assistant...While attempting to voice train "her" the other day, I uttered some profanity. The female voice & profanity brought my wife to the shack door inquiring as to my activities... LOL...
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Bob G W1GLV

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OOPS!!!
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Simon Lewis

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ROFL!
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San Juan Dan,

I have nothing but grief with My Surface 3 pro I5. Originally, with 8.1 I tried using Blue Tooth for the headset as I did not have the correct headset connector,  Bummer, When accessing Bluetooth it disrupted the 2.4 GHz WIFI.  I then got a wired headset.  I always got crappy echo audit reports.  I then found out the the RealTech audio drivers don't work correctly [no basic audio gain adjust in the second window below the mic gain adjustment] and both the internal microphone and the external microphone were connected and operating in paralell.  I said BS and upgraded to Windows 10.  More confusion.  Looked for updated hardware for RealTech Audio drivers.  The only thing I found was offers for upgrades for $$. 

Got really POed and reset the Surface 3 back to its virgin state windows 8.1, and of course lost all of my installed software, some that cost a bundle.

The went through and installed all the updates.  Walla... now the Bluetooth headset worked fine, with little no interaction with WIFI, but still crappy audio...... It all gets back to RealTech Drivers. 

Eventually for some reason the second gain control window began working for the RealTech internal microphone [It just appeared by itself one day].  I set it to +20 db to get enough audio drive.

Current procedure now is:
1) Open the Microphone driver window.  Select internal microphone as default.  Set the internal microphone gain to zero [If not done it still is an open mic]. Insure the window below is set to +20 db.

2) Reset the Bluetooth headset as default and adjust the microphone gain as necessary.

It finally works.  Nothing wrong with FLEX, just the crappy audio driver program. Just a bunch of unnecessary crap to go through each to I decide to go remote.

I find the Pen works quite well for frequency setting.  

Ken Rau K7YR
Manson, WA

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Perhaps when Flex adds the HDMI port to the Maestro they'll also offer us a large optional backpack so we can carry along a large flat screen monitor!  Oh, and with extra room for a portable generator, big amp, tower, and HF yagi too!  Sorry... too much coffee this morning. :)
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Why?  Never have seen a "wireless & touchscreen antenna" Burt!

Know what you are pointing out, but that discussion isn't germane to what features people who may well have wonder-antennas desire out of their Maestro!

Or they likely very well understand the compromises in antenna they are living with.

Doubt they are NooBs who need to be talked down to though.

Your point is obvious, but enough of a Non Sequitur to be really far off the thread focus.

73

Steve K9ZW

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KY6LA - Howard, Elmer

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Some of us already spent the money on the Antennas.



The rest of us live in tower restricted. HOA which I recall you vociferously opposed changing restrictions.
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Always been a believer in the saying "the hardware outside is worth at least 2x the hardware inside...".

I wish I could invest in a really superb ant system but I chose to live in an HOA and until I can break my agreement with the HOA under the parity act I can't put up the 500 foot tower I have ready to order!  :-)
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Get a little shack by a railroad track, put up that tower and remote!

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Burt Fisher

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Steve my comment was off the thread focus? I should have talked about coffee?
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Perhaps having a unit that would run the flex without SSDR might be a good thing. Especially with all the issues that have been occurring the past year with SSDR.
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Maestro is just another computer running a specalized version of SSDR. The upside to that is, there is but one hardware platform to support for it's version of SSDR. Unlike supporting varying user PC's and their hardware issues(and drivers), Flex should have finer control over issues with SSDR in Maestro. One reason that makes Maestro an attractive , (although expensive) option, if one wants knobs and portability in a single device.
WD5GWY
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Issues?
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As a person who uses 2 very large monitors, I pretty much consider the Maestro an attractant to the group that prefers knobs and switches to computer screens. To me, it's a perfect compromise, although one I don't have much interest in myself. 
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tiny PC's that cost under $200 and run on 12v make the Maestro way to expensive.
My asus tiny pc runs ssdr great.
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I run a 6300 with a  PC-on-a-stick, but it is no Maestro.

Having played with a Maestro prototype at the W9DXCC it became very clear to me how the Maestro would be a "team-player with a PC" and not a "PC-replacement."

We can argue the debate between dedicated device and adapted generalized PC.

There is a place for both and neither fully could replace the other in my shack.

YMMV of course. 

Proof will be once Maestri are out in the wild.

As an aside, I don't think I would have given up my pre-order, rather with doubts I would have let my distributor (or FRS if here) know I didn't want to be first. 

Several hams did this in the Flex-6700/6500 rollout, and thereby kept their options open.

73

Steve K9ZW

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I think if you cancel now, you loose the option to buy at the preintroduction price. And have to pay the current price.
James
WD5GWY
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Maybe it's like a stock option and you can sell the option?
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I did that with the 6500. As we were in the process of moving out then moving in. Consequently, many people got the radio's earlier than they otherwise would have. By 'that' I meant deferred, not cancelled.
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Steve, does your PC-on-a-stick have 2GB or 4GB of RAM?  We were looking at those the other day and wondering how they would run SmartSDR and I figured 4GB would probably be required but the ones we saw only had 2GB.
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Wait are you guys telling me that my maestro when it comes in cannot connect to and manage my Kurieg coffee brewer!?   Huh!?!?

Oh come on now... I want a button on the maestro touch screen to brew up another cup!!!
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Mark
I imagine, you can probably imagine one. Try also imagining that it works. 
Imaginary Coffee ... I hadn't really thought of that.
Is that the same coffee I drink in my dreams?
73, Jay - NO5J
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Jay, imaginary coffee just doesn't do it for me... I've tried it, recently when I got a crown put on they said nothing hot for 24 hours.  So being a coffee drinker I had to try and imagine it throughout the day.  It didn't work.  I was grumpy and messed up.

But these days mind over matter right?   If I have a maestro and an imaginary cup of coffee then I guess I'd better be happy!!!

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Mark
I've already received my imaginary Maestro. I may sell it later when the real Maestro arrives, I'm hoping to raise some imaginary cash, to pay for an imaginary  tower.
BTW I just looked and this Maestro does indeed have an extra button labeled +Coffee, on it.
You see, Flexradio listens!
And they can make things happen.
73, Jay - NO5J 
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I am hoping that eventually they will get a driver for stuff like my E.R.S. rotor control (USB on one end and 6 pin DIN on the other that plugs into my Yaesu G-800DXA rotor control box.  That way I could use an app on my ipad (or on a Maestro) into the VPN or directly to the 6500 when v.2.0 is released and control my antenna without need for my shack computer to be powered up.

I can do it right now with Parallels Access and PSTRotator (which is a really slick program)  but I would like to be able to bypass the computer entirely someday when I am out on remote and use only my ipad or a Maestro.

Ken - NM9P
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You voice my feelings, however I am not sure it is the purpose of the Flex 6000 to perform control functions other than for the radio itself. If I were the chief engineer of Flex I would come out with another piece of interfacing hardware that would talk to the radio and perform all the auxiliary functions we need to make our operations complete. Actually I am there by using a dedicated small fan-less PC and using third party software. I think this will give us much more overall flexibility in the future rather than waiting for Flex to effect our desires. I think there hands are full enough by reaching the promised features along with WAN. Which by the way is really not needed with a good PC and VPN like Softether.
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All Flex has to do is provide a specification for an I2C data stream out of the ACC port. Once defined, the world at large could do whatever they want from band switching, antenna selection, mode control. It seems obvious to me, that they have already done so, as it is needed to support their SO2R box. Define it ... let the world know what it is. Done!

An Arduino could munch the data and do most anything ...
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You are making my argument but much more specificly. From that point on, we could use anything to "crunch" the data and perform the I/O.
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I don't believe I2C will gain much traction

However the communications mode of the future really is TCP/IP

I suspect you will see a t]lot of TCP/IP enabled peripherals in the future

Already all of the new 4O3A devices are TCP/IP
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I'm talking of the 'spirit of Amateur Radio' not some commercial venture. I2C is easily consumed and enterprising hams can have a field day with the possibilities. TCP/IP .. not so much.

Howard, I am confident that we have two polar views of what amateur radio is all about. You want to work the world and hang shingles on your wall ... I want amateur radio to be about personal discovery, cultural exploration, and a bridge to bring us all together.

W7NGA  dan
San Juan Island, Wa.
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I am not a "grand stander" and all of my remote functions except for rotor control are via TCP/IP using a PC to do the talking. I think Howard speaks correctly.



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@W7NGA

First. You are likely dreaming if you really think I2C will gain any traction except possibly with a very tiny fringe experimenters group. TCP/IP. is the communications system of the modern world...parts are cheap, software is plentiful. Even the Legacy Japanese are starting to recognize that they need to go TCP/IP

Second I have long ago given up hanging shingles on the wal except for first places in contests. There is no room left on my walls.

Third. I travel extensively all over the world (we are in Paris now) where I am regularly asked to speak about ham radio. I have visited ham friends at their homes in well over 100 countries. We regularly entertain international ham friends at our home in LaJolla., many of home have stayed with us. My current quest is to work remote from 100 counties...I am at 27 so far.

Bottom line: Don't assume what you do not know.
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> You are likely dreaming if you really think I2C will gain any traction except possibly with a very tiny fringe experimenters group. 

I am talking experimentation in the true amateur radio sense. The port is there, the data will be there, and hams can do with it what they want for the cost of an Arduino or equivalent. I am not speaking of adoption of a new standard.

It's the difference of winding your own coils, soldering, writing your own software, versus buying and plugging something in. That is all I am saying, and I am sure both perspectives will survive. My interests are to have I2C data available.

I have been an engineer for 2000 years and invented the internet, doncha know.
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If you get your i2c port stuff working I would love to try it.