I would preface this post by saying I'm
very happy with my Flex 6300 and how it performs. I wouldn't trade
it for any current superhet offering. But, I'm rather disappointed in the V2.0 release of SSDR. A few years back it was mentioned the it was up to FRS to make V2.0 worth the cost and keep Flex on the forefront of SDR – something that would make it like getting a new radio. I was eagerly anticipating something that would be really appealing to me. Maybe v.2.1 will do it.
Reading Tim's account of the new features in SSDR v. 2.0 it appears there is nothing for me.
1. SmartLink I would never use as I prefer to operate my ham station from home and when I am away I want to get away from ham radio. The smaller screen implicit in remote operation would not be acceptable for me. Why would I want to operate my ham radio from a sidewalk cafe in Rome?
2. Pop-Out Panels would be of little use to me as the only panadapter I use must be docked. If I need another panadapter (I only get two) they both fit nicely on my 24-inch monitor. My second monitor is filled with add-on software that improve my usability of the flex.
3. Improved Dynamic range for 6300 – This is purported to be included in the V1.11 release and it probably won't make much difference to me anyway.
4. Support for N1MM Spectrum Display – I really don't use N1MM. I tried it and didn't much like it. I'm not a contester and already have a decent logging program.
5. Additional RF Preamp for 6700 – N/A
6. New TURFs – N/A
7. New Flex VSP Driver – I assume will also be in the V1.11 release.
8. SSDR for Maestro – Don't have or want a Maestro
9. SSDR for IOS – Don't have any Apple equipment – something for Android might entice me.
So there's nothing there for me and I'm disappointed in FRS. What would have excited me? Improvements to the basic radio operation - not just remote operation and contesting.
A new “skin” on the operational meters (S-Meter, Power Level, etc) and controls with colors and size that I can read. I find the current implementation poor. I have some add-ons which improve things, but it would be nice to have it integrated.
Improvements in the DSP functions (not that the current ones are bad).
of dx spots and/or band limits on the spectral display. CW
Skimmer-type display for CW/Digital modes.
Integration of Digital mode decoding into SSDR
Some other new
whiz-bang operational feature that I haven't thought of but really
turns me on ;-).
Yes, I know, it's not about me and FRS is putting their
design resources where they perceive the most appeal (and upgrade revenue). So having gotten this off my chest I'll just stifle my disappointment, go back into the woodwork, and go enjoy my "obsolete" rig.
Your points make sense from your position at this time. There is no requirement that you must upgrade. V1 will continue to be acceptable for your operations. It will not time out.
There is no rush to make the move. You can always wait until the engineers cook up something that interests you.
I think 2.x opens some new doors. First yes I might want to op remote to my own fairly lousy antenna station but then again with 2.x I could make a few friends and remote their much nicer stations.
And if 2.x is as good as I hope it opens up a possibility that I might remote locate my 6500 and amp to a place where the property owner would let me put up a small tower and beam. Perhaps in exchange for tie on the rig. Who knows.
Anyway we'll just have to see what 2.x opens up.
for me? there is little that I need either in V.2, but I am waiting for 1.11 coming soon with all the under the hood work that was done, I have seen that in action already.
And there is nothing so far that has made my 6500 obsolete, it still will do what it is supposed to do and very well.
Currently sitting in my lounge room drinking my coffee and listening to the early morning radio activity using my Iphone.
I have been using a 6700 for over 4 years and would have to say it has been the best investment in amateur radio I have ever made. After owning a Flex 5000, I was more than happy to put-up my money and wait for a signature series radio. I love the sound that comes out of the speakers and continuedly get unsolicited positive comments about my transmit audio.
Personally, I'm thrilled with what ever enhancements I get and whenever they are available. Can't wait to download version 2.0.
The wish list looks like the PSDR updates, I feel those are a long way off.
I would like to see a side by side comparison of the 6300 vs the 6400. I know it has front end filters, the 6300 doesn't: it has always been fine without them in my use. The DR improvement in V2 seems like an always good idea but not sure it would make a difference to me. I'll take it though, just because.
Maybe some more data has been posted and I can build my own side by side.
The cost of V2, no issue here. The resale value drop of the 6300, annoying but not enough for me to be unhappy with FRS. There's still going to be some splainin to do here.
I'm trying to build the technical case to discuss with the CFO, as in "why? you just bought the other one six months ago!"
I haven't seen enough technical data. It's probably going to appear over time.
I have no issues with FRS about product development times. What was the old cliche? You can have two of the following three: Fast, good or cheap. But only two.
A few years ago I experienced a direct lightning strike at my qth which resulted in extensive electrical damage throughout my home. I now disconnect my equipment whenever I leave my residence, so I won't be using SmartLink.
Even though we've waited a long time for v2.0, odds are additional fixes and features will be coming. It's good to remember the current version of PowerSDR didn't happen overnight.
I have to agree about the non-excitement level of V2 but if I knew what was coming in the next one or two V2.X I might feel differently.
My real issue is there is no detail on what is coming in the next releases past the standard V2.0. I was an IT manager at a major insurance company for 26 years and we published our future releases for at least the next quarter in advance. Sure we changed the content and that was reflected in the future release documentation as soon as it was known. We also had a complete list of all future enhancement and problems that all could view.
I love my 6500 a lot and it's a keeper. What I don't like is not knowing "The Plan" moving forward. It makes me feel like FRS is running by the seat of their pants chasing problems and every once in a while throwing in an enhancement.
Also we always met our due dates. We did whatever it took to meet them. We really didn't have a choice but we also never gave a date we knew we couldn't make. Like I have said before on here we stuck to the "under promise over deliver" way of doing business.
Just my opinions and thoughts.
If people had some clue what else was coming with the 2.X line of updates they might be more excited about the upgrade. I've been trying to read the tea leaves but haven't gotten a clear picture of what's next. In fact I have no clue where we are going from here.
Personally, I kind of like the idea of opening Pandora's box. I've seen some really neat features come out since the early days of PowerSDR. Some were expected and others were a total surprise. And there were, of course, corrections. Bugs are to be expected in software this complex. This is especially true working in the Windows environment where Microsoft goes in their own direction and expects developers to follow and keep up.
So, this release of 2.0 is not for me, but I'll likely jump aboard anyway, hoping that a future 2.0+ version will rectify my concerns. Now, it is possible that we haven't heard some of the other "advances" the 2.0 software will provide and there may be things I would consider valuable. But from what I have heard are the "highlights", and from some of the comments I have seen on this board, there are a number of us that are pretty unhappy with this first venture into "paid" support.
Of course this is friendly criticism, I love my Flex 6700, and I think Flex is a great company, but I hate sun spots. Can't do too much about the spots, but as I user I think I have a right to be critical once in a while. Okay guys, flames on.
I can sympathize with Paul in that we all bought into the Flex hype about getting a new radio with each release. We'll maybe for some of us but not all. So, it is your choice to buy or not. It just so happens this release caters to a specific group or two. Maybe a more balanced release that appeals to all would result in more paid upgrades and satisfied customers. WIN-WIN
Tim has already stated on the Community that Multi-Client is one feature to which they are committed.
The value of 2.X cannot be evaluated solely on what is in 2.0.
But as always, if the menu is not appealing, then one can either pass, or wait until the second course.
I have come to the conclusion that I am a minority rag chewer in the Flex Contesting and Remote operator crowd. I am glad Flex is listening and providing what the bulk of users want. That's fantastic.
But I am hoping the introduction of M radios will draw in more of "my kind" LOL. I have to admit I like gadgets. Things like integrating spots, band plans on the panafall and easier implementation for 3rd party hardware panels (like power genius) are all things I would like to see.
I find myself, like Paul, slightly underwhelmed by the 'first course' offering. I was hoping for more that would tempt me. I had discussed with others, in excited anticipation, that "I wouldn't be surprised if a few 'gems' have been held back for the V2 release" However it appears I was being a little optimistic.
That said, I am still blissfully happy with my 6500, (despite a hardware fault that meant I was without it for 2 months, while it flew to Germany then Texas and back to me via Germany!)
It's the best radio I've ever used.
Yes, there are things I'd change in SSDR, but it's still great!
I am dissapointed with the 'first course' ingredients as I have no desire to work remotely, or indeed leave my precious 6500 plugged in. There seem to be improvements to both 6300 and 6700, but no mention of the 6500. So, with none of those hoped for 'gems' included, no, I won't be investing in V2.0...but as mentioned above, I will simply wait until a few features appear that fit my needs (many of them already well documented by others)....and there is a great feature in itself, no requirement to upgrade.
Despite my dissapointment, I'm sure I speak for many others when I say, I am very grateful for the continued development by the FRS team and excited for what the future may bring.
I look forward to reading comments from those using V2.0 within this great community...In the meantime...I'm just gonna fire up on 40m, with a radio that's still hard to beat...even without V2.0! :-)
In my little world these four features below are today what is important to me:
- editable GUI in both SmartSDR and Maestro
- Antenna Genius control from Maestro
- Memory control by a knob (turn a knob to select from stored memory)
- adjustable/resizable Clock on Maestro