I need recommendation on a good logging software program that will work with smart SDR

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I currently have a full license copy of Him Radio Deluxe but unless I run DDUTIL it doesn't run properly and I would rather not run DDUTIL because it for me is too complicated.
Iis there a logging program that will work on my windows PC with smart SDR easily without a lot of fuss?
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This is sorta like Fords and Chevy comparisions , we all have our favorites. I find DXlabs to be the one that works for me,and works well with the Flex. And it is free.
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You have to have a cat serial port configured and the HRD setup set to use that port for HRD to work with SmartSDR. There are helps on both FlexRadio and HRD about this. Mine works FB now with SmartSDR and HRD logbook. w7zac
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I've been using LOG4OM for about 2 years. It's free, their support is excellent and it integrates very easily with my 6500. I also used HRD, but found it lacked some features. When they went to a subscription based plan, I decided that it's time to look elsewhere. LOG4OM allows me to integrate with the DX Cluster, keep track of all my  QSO's and recently allowed be too import over 40 years of my paper logs that were previously using an old DOS logging program. I'm sure others will offer suggestions.
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Lee - N2LEE

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I don't use HRD but when I have run it and didn't need futility. What isn't that doesn't work ? Is it possible HRD is not configured correctly ?
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Darn iPhone auto correct. :)

When I have used HRD it didn't require DDutil.
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I like N3FJP it is a paid version! It works well with my 6500!
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I have used both DXLabs and Log4OM and almost every other logger that comes along. I keep going back to DXLabs primarily because I'm used to it and I get great support from the developer and the DXLabs community.

Log4OM has a more modern looking interface if that's important to you. Feature-wise, I think Log4OM and DXLabs is close.

Connectivity between the rig and DXLabs seems very easy to me. Commander provides some pretty nice controls without over-duplicating what SmartSDR already provides. I like the user-defined controls and the potential they provide in DXLabs.

I've been using DXLabs since 2004 or 2005? Can't remember. Funny thing is, I'm still finding new features I didn't know existed. Not really important stuff but interesting stuff. For instance, I imported a lot of stuff from another log and all the WPX prefixes were messed up. In DXKeeper (the log book) I was able to direct the program to look at each record and update the WPX prefix with the correct information. It was too easy.

I can talk a lot more about DXLabs compared with Log4OM only because I have spent much more time with it. If DXLabs went away tomorrow I'd be all over Log4OM.

fldigi (using a bridge unfortunately) keeps DXKeeper up to date with contacts. WSTJ-X plays nicely with DXKeeper. I also use CW Skimmer and N1MM+. No conflicts. DXKeeper imports N1MM+ logs cleanly.

DXLab's Commander connected to the SDR-6500 via TCP/IP without any intervening proxies.

Try them all! Back up a lot. :)

Kev K4VD
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I use log4om, tried dxlabs and didn't like it. But it requires the use of omnirig vs the direct tcpip connectivity of dxlabs.
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I love Log4OM.  It's free, it's extremely capable, and it works well with SmartSDR.  This software is also under current development by a team of experts, so you get new features every few months.
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HRD here no need for DDUtil, HRD will natively connect to SmartSDR Cat. I also use the N3FJP suite of apps for the couple of contests/field day I run each year. After the contest I export and import into HRD to keep one master log.

I have also looked at the other apps out there Log4OM, N1MM, DX Labs, N3FJP and stick with HRD mostly as I continue to use DM780 for digital work and it is well integrated with the HRD Log. 

Jay N0IAI
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If you enjoy chasing DX, try CommCat. (www.commcat.com)  It has an easy to use logging program built in.
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I suppose it depends upon what you want to do with it.

If you just want simple logging, but not a full-fledged contesting program, then N3FJP is a good logger.  It is what I use for day-to-day logging because it is simple, and I have used it since about 2003.  (I use N1MM+ for contesting)  
It tracks WAS and DXCC confirmations, will link to LOTW and Club Log, and has some simple interface to spotters networks, and the WinKey emulation for CW memory Keyer on the Flex.  It links via CAT to import your frequency and mode into the log. BUT...It currently only tracks Slice 'A' and you cannot make it record slice 'B' if you are playing on two bands at the same time.
It is simple and "just works."  COST:  $24.99 (US)  Additional contest-specific loggers are available at additional cost.  He has a "bundle" price also that includes all of his contest programs.

If you want something more elaborate for a general logger, you can check out some of these:

Some written by members of the flex community.  I hesitate to make a list, because I do not want to insult anyone by leaving them out.  but here are a few that I have heard discussed here...

Log4OM (free), http://www.log4om.com/ is a powerful logging combo.

DXLab suite http://www.dxlabsuite.com/  is a freeware program suite that incorporates a lot more power, and many functions, but is a bit more involved.


DXBase  http://www.dxbase.com/  ($49.99)

DX4WIN  http://www.dx4win.com/  ($89.95)

Winlog32  http://www.winlog32.co.uk/  (free)

Writelog  http://www.writelog.com/  ($30)

I have not done extensive evaluations of any of these program suites, other than play around a bit with Log4OM and DXLabs.  I plan eventually to make a switch to one of these other loggers someday, but I haven't had much time to evaluate them.  I am too busy hunting DX and contesting with the 6500!

The ultimate contesting log, in my book is currently N1MM Plus:
http://n1mm.hamdocs.com/tiki-index.php

Here is a link to a survey of many of the major logging programs in current use:

http://www.425dxn.org/survlog/

Hope this helps.

Ken - NM9P
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HRD will run just fine without DDUTIL, but the overhead of the radio control software is an unnecessary drag on your computer.  DDUTIL is actually quite simple.  Just check Signature and the 6.2 buttons (assuming you have the latest HRD) and you're good to go.  You don't need any of the other features.  Mini-Deluxe is another 3-rd party program that will do the same thing.  I've stayed with HRD for the integration with rotor control, DX-Cluster, and DM780.
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I would love to stay with my HRD package that I currently have but I could t get it to connect to my local host because no matter what com port I set the flex control to even up to 99, it always only gave me that option to connect through. I did t get it. So I gave up on it. Maybe a fresh uninstall and install of my HED package again???
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I like Log4OM. IT works really well. I tried DXLabSuite and while it has good features it was way too ugly and poorly laid out for my liking. 
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Way too ugly and poorly laid out. I hear that a lot.

Oh, you were talking about DXLabs. ;)
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MiniDeluxe and HRDLog because logging is easy with DM780 and WSJT-X or Log4OM.
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I believe that you are using the IOS version of Smart SDR and also the windows version. I'm curious as to how you keep all your logs synchronized. I am also looking for a logging program and don't want to get involved in contesting so the Log40M looks appealing.
Stan
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For now I just VNC into my desktop and do the logging there. On newer iPads you can multitask. 

Looking for a better solution. Since the backend of my log is MySQL I am wondering about the possibilities. 
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I do local and remote operation with my iPad and iOS . Occasionally, I grab the windows laptop . I use open VPN for the remote operation, which works like a charm for me. I scream for an integrated logging program with Flex radios that cuts across windows and iOS. It puts all my logs in the "Ham cloud ". After the cloud storage , it goes to any logbook that I want. It should support contesters and my occasional logging.!
Am I sending a message to Flex marketing to make this happen? This I would pay for.
Thanks for your response
Stan
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I believe that Marcus is planning to add Logging into SmartSDR for iOS.

When?

When it's finished...  "It's just a Simple Matter of Programming"

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Seeing more features in the iOS version of SmartSDR amazes me.... it is just one guy programming it!! How many people programming at FRS? Is it public knowledge?

Can't wait for a Linux version of SmartSDR (Official). Windows 10 has been the best Linux promotion in a long time! :)
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@Sal

Marcus only has to write the Client software which use the FRS Radio Firmware Server Software


... FRS has to write the Server Software and program it into the radio firmware

Much more difficult task.


But I agree Marcus is amazing

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Howard, that means that Cluster integration has already been done at the Server Software side but has only been implemented on the iOS version of SmartSDR?
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Cluster integration (my biggest wanted) was done by Marcus outside of the radio server.   It is not part of the server.


Marcus also improved the colors so that vision challenged older folks could actually see the Meters.

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I am really looking forward to visual improvements.
There are discrepancies between what you see and what is really happening.

If you zoom out the skirts of a SSB transmisión look like going over your frequency marker. That is not the case when you zoom in.

When you open several panadapters the divider between panadapter and waterfall gets stuck and you cannot move it.

The Black slider from 70% to 100% is useless as it is maxed out and does nothing on the display... the granularity of that slider is just not that fine. Even PowerSDR in the latest revisions has a very usable AUTO setting, the one on SmartSDR is not that great... too much blue. If you have a chance try the one on SDR Console V.2, great auto display setting.

A lot of these things do not seem to me server related but GUI improvements which will happen when someone has the time to program them.

I enjoy the Flex primarily because of the visual aspect, otherwise any other radio can do 85% or more of the stuff. But the display on SmartSDR... nothing like it... I paid the big bucks for that... and I feel there is so much potential that has not been tapped.....
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I use N3FJP's Amateur Contact (AC) Log.  Works perfectly with PowerSDR or SmartSDR--no other software required.  Very easy to use.  There is a one-time fee and Scott provides regular updates, as well as speciality logs.  It supports DX cluster and QRZ integration.  Like many people I use N1MM for contesting.

Larry, W1IZZ
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I just had to put in a comment for LoGic-9. I have used for several years and is well supported. It does cost a few dollars but well worth it.  You can change just about anything in the format.  Add to your logging screen.  Track any thing you want.  Has basic contest screens. Works well with my 6500 and other radios.  New interface is with Fldigi and working on others.  Compatible with LOTW and others.  Can work from any logging data.  Also can download info and memberships for quick and auto entry.

We all have out faves and I'm sure you will find one that will work for you.  Good luck with all this info  in making your choice.

Larry, ke2yc
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I second the vote for Logic9.
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I have been using latest HRD full version for many years without the need to use DDUtil.
I use all the features and mode and it runs perfectly. 
Why bother with those "ugly and poorly laid out," when you have the best on hand!
Hopefully HRD will integrate WSJT modes.  
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Because "ugly and poorly laid out" is an opinion.

As for WSJT modes are  you looking for full integration into HRD or just compatibility between programs? I'm using JTAlert-X with WSJT-X. It does a fine job of alerting me to any DX or WAS I need (and others too) and it sends log updates to DXKeeper. Looking at the JTAlert-X setup, HRD is included in the list of programs it supports.
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JTAlert works well with HRD and Log4OM as well. 
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Really surprised that one of our old timers didn't suggest this.  :)
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That brings back memories
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A bit hard to upload to LoTW, I think. :)
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It is a flexible format, meaning it bends easily ;-)
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Ria - N2RJ, Elmer

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But oh so proprietary, and a closed system...
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Kevin

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Actually - I would have thought this is the most open system. Ruled paper and handwriting?
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I have a stack of them dating from 1974 to 2003 before moving to various electronic formats.

One advantage is that it was easy to document station changes and improvements. None of the electronic formats make this easy.
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A way to document station changes in most computer logs is to create a QSO with yourself and use the comments field for the details. The nice thing about this is that it becomes searchable and correlates with all other log entries with date and time. Some logs (DXLabs for example) even has custom fields that can be used for keeping track of very specific categories.
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I'll have to try that.  I used to put a call in like *note* or *comment* which worked with N3FJP's ACLog until I started using LOTW about two and a half years ago.  Then they got flagged as bad calls and I had to edit them out.  I never thought about using my own call!  'DoH!
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The issue I had with my paper logs is that I kept moving around the world.. @$6-10 per pound to move them each time, they quickly got left behind with all my shoe boxes full of QSL Cards.  They are now populating dumps on 4 continents.  (well before recycling was available)

The bonus to my of leaving them behind is I got to start all over a again on completely new set of DXCC from each country.  - yes I know that I would have had to do that anyways but it's an excuse to begin again...

I really love LOTW and keeping everything electronic and in the cloud.. no more paper to carry....

Currently use DXLabs and HRD and Writelog and N1MM+   All have different strengths and weaknesses...

Frankly, maybe it's because I am a technonerd, but I never could understand why anyone would think that DDUTIL +HRD  is difficult to set up.  It literally takes a couple of clicks on the setup screen and it goes...

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One question I have for those fluent in Log4OM or DXLabs:

When I tried to export my ACLog files to one of these systems a while back, I couldn't figure out how to import the Comments field, and user-defined "Other" fields that I had used for SMIRK number, OMISS, NPOTA, etc.  

I am sure that it is possible, but I didn't find it easily and then got sidetracked, so I kept using ACLog.  

If I could be sure that I could import all of my data, including custom data fields, I might make a change to a more powerful logging program.

Any helpful hints?

Ken - NM9P
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DXKeeper's help says:

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User-defined Items

Each of the eight user-defined items logged with each QSO can be imported 

  • from an ADIF file using the field names APP_DXKEEPER_USER_DEFINED_0 through APP_DXKEEPER_USER_DEFINED_7

  • from a tab-delimited file using the field names APP_DXKEEPER_USER_DEFINED_0 through APP_DXKEEPER_USER_DEFINED_7 or UDF_0 through UDF_7 orUDF_CAPTION where CAPTION is the user-defined item's Caption

Enabling a user-defined item's ADIF option enables that item to be both imported or exported using its Caption as the field name - in both ADIF and tab-delimited files.

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That said, the context sensitive help files are in-depth and the support offered by Dave AA6YQ on the Yahoo! group (and here) is nothing short of outstanding.

During the import there is some integrity checking. Using the SQL features in the Filters & Modifiers dialog you can do any batch fixups you can dream of.

Here's what the import dialog looks like. Not so ugly or poorly laid out:  ;)


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http://forum.log4om.com/
Ken,  LOG4OM supports all the official ADIF fields, so if the comments use one of the designated fields it should import it automatically.  I'd suggest the following - download the latest version (it's FREE) and try to import your files. If you encounter any problems, go to their forum (General Discussion section) and ask the question. "Terry" will likely respond and tell you if its possible and how to do it. I've been so impressed with the support that I would not hesitate paying for this program. I was able to get all my paper logs previously stored in an old DOS logging program imported into LOG4OM with Terry's assistance.
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There is a series of YouTube videos on using Log4OM.  One specifically covers importing files.  Peter G3ZSS
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What was the original question?