Help with Dual Band setup.

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Flex 6600 dual Band monitoring with Ver 1.2.33.  This is probably something I am missing in a setting but let me explain. 

I have set up an SSDR profile to have Panadapter 1 and Slice A on 160M CW from ANT1 and Panadapter 2 Slice B on 80M CW from ANT2.  (The single profile is named 160-80M CW DUAL)

Mouse clicking in either Panadapter changes focus between Bands per the large frequency readout on the SSDR RX side panel  BUT (yup..  always a BUT)  the TX focus does not follow to the new Band.  However, If i click on the slice TX button to change focus then the SSDR TX side panel updates the Band/Mode window but the RX side panel does not update the frequency display to the correct Band...  The RX panel does update the TX light display only.

Should it be possible to single click between the two Panadapters monitoring the 2 different Bands and have focus updated for both TX and RX?

Operator error or a bug?
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Mike - VE3CKO

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I think what you are trying to do is select which slice you want to TX on ?  That's easy just left click your mouse on the TX on the slice you want.
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I might not understand but the TX should not automatically change when you click another slice in that panafall or even another one.  TX should stay put until you manually select it on another slice.
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Clicking on the TX in the slice does change the TX frequency but not the RX info in the SSDR side panel.

FOR example: if I go from Pan1 Slice A (setup for 160M on Ant1) and click the TX Button in Pan2 Slice B (Setup for 80M on Ant2)  the SSDR info in the  RX (with slice info)  side panel does not update the TX slice, TX antenna, or TX frequency.

In order to update the RX (with slice info) side panel is to click anywhere in the Panadapter of interest.
To me this whole click/response process just does not seem very intuitive.

Did I miss a SO2R setting somewhere :)  The TX profiles for SO2R are operating correctly.
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Mike - VE3CKO

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I wasn't clear on what you were trying to do. It is not doubt by design when you change the focus it does not change the slice to become TX, and yes, as Rick said FR Stack will so what you want.
Way it is now works for me, for example working a DXpedition who is spit up 5 to 15 listening. I open up multiple slices, watch the pattern the operator is using, which varies between operators. So I may have 3 or 7 slices open up and when I hear the exchange and see it in the panadapter I quickly click the TX in the appropriate slice and make my call. Been very successful get in with 1 to 3 calls.
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Yes Rich... You are correct.
 Since Pan 2 and Slice B are on a different Band i thought I should see both TX and RX focus.  Otherwise i remain xmitting on Slice A and Rxing on slice B.  Exactly like the SSDR  RX and TX side panels are indicating.
I guess a single click on TX only updates the TX panel window and a second click in the Pan will update the RX panel.  
I am more used to my Maestro since the station is remote.  Will wait until that comes back and try this setup on the Maestro.
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I have not had a Maestro but had the 6600m for two weeks and M radio and SSDR are two different animals when it comes to operating despite my original thoughts. What you are talking about is a perfect example of where they differ.

Neither one of them is bad. Just different :)

Rich
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Hi Mike,   "I open up multiple slices, watch the pattern the operator is using, which varies between operators. "
I know what you mean here...  I have no problem operating split either on the same Panadapter with a second slice or on another Panadapter with a slice opened on the same Band.

What I am meaning is quickly switching between 2 different Bands running on 2 different Panadapters and 2 different Slices while keeping the RX and TX info coordinated with a single click on SSDR.  No small feat apparently :)
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can't ediit typos after someone posts after your post. sorry for errors.
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You can use FR Stacks to accomplish that.  There's an option under the Radios tab to Enable TX when a slice is made active.
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Thanks Rick,  I will have a look at that...  trying to steer clear of too may additional programs running since it is a remote setup.

Regards,
Larry  k1UO
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The current design requires "Positive TX selection" in order to prevent changing the TX assignment accidentally and transmitting on an unintended frequency.

WHY?

As soon as you begin to utilize multiple slices on various bands & modes, it will be more clear.

Clicking on the slice flag (turning it yellow) simply means that the active slice will now respond to mouse wheel or Flex Control input for tuning, and it is the slice whose frequency and band information are being sent to your logger program, etc.

Many users will have one slice (say Slice A) on their main operating frequency while they are in a rag chew QSO, waiting for their shot at the DX, Running a frequency while contesting, etc.  But they wish to tune around elsewhere on the same band, or on a different band.  You need the slice to be "active" to tune it around, but you may not want to transmit on that frequency.

FRS has designed it so that you can select up to 4 different slices on the 6600/6500 and up to 8 slices on a 6700 in order to tune around while keeping your main slice ready to TX.

If you want to transmit on one of the other slices, it is necessary to intentionally set that slice to transmit in order to prevent unintentional QRM.

USE CASE SCENARIO:   If the TX automatically followed the "Active" slice...

You are DXing and have the DX on Slice A and the "pileup split" on Slice B. You would usually tune in the DX, open the 2nd slice and set it to your intended split TX frequency and select slice B for TX.

But the DX drifts off frequency and you want to retune him.  You click the slice flag to make Slice A the active slice so you can retune, but just then he sends TU QRZ? and, forgetting to click back to B,  you hit the key and transmit on HIS frequency....then you hear "UP UP UP LID!"

The current "positive TX selection" requirement keeps this from happening.
You can tune around any frequency on the background by changing the active slice, but you must intentionally select a slice as the TX slice in order to transmit there.


But, if you don't like it that way, There are utilities that will link the TX to the active slice, as others have said.

The more I utilize multiple slices and multiple modes (often having slices on two bands monitoring FT8 while doing other things with slice 3 & 4) the more I like the current way of doing things.

BTW.  the CAT program will also let you set some slices to "Auto Select" the TX slice when the transmit command is sent from digital programs...... so when I tell my FT8 program to transmit, it will automatically tell "Slice C" that it is the transmit slice and then send my message.  If I am also monitoring RTTY on a different band and tell it to transmit, the RTTY program on Slice D will automatically take over the TX authority.  Really slick!  (once you get it set up)

Ken - NM9P
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This is by design.  From early on we decided that transmit should be under positive user control, meaning that to change the transmit slice or assert PTT to key the radio, the user (or a program controlling the radio) has to manually perform this action.  See Ken's very detailed explanation above.
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