FT8 On iPAD

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How are you seeing the FT8 application on your the iPad?  Are you using a remote access program?
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Ted VE3TRQ

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That’s a Mac screen you are seeing :-)
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John - WA7UAR

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But we see the Windows Start icon... so guessing you are running the Remote Desktop Connection app on your iPad?
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Aargh - dang Win and Mac windows are starting to look more and more alike :-( Guess I shoulda just said “remote access”.
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Maybe this looks a bit better - hi?
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SSDR for IOS now has FT8
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I'm using the FT8 app on my iPad but I don't like the DT being so high. Marcus do you have a fix for that?
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Yes Bob, the latest update 3.5.
Are you using it?
73,
Marcus
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i'll download it. Thanks
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Bob G W1GLV

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Marcus, the DT's are much better. Thanks
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SSDR for iOS V3.4 is with FT8 in the App Store 
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Thanks! Didn’t know there was an update! Nice feature.
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KY6LA - Howard, Elmer

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it was released by the Apple App Store last nite
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Thanks Howard, just updated it. As soon as I solve why I’m not able to connect to Smart Link I’ll try it.
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Got it updated, but it’s not pulling up the preset frequencies when I tap the frequency box. What am I missing?
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Hi Rick,

this is probably because the latest Data Update has not been downloaded for some reason. Normally you should get a message which says that there is a new Data update available for this App version but maybe for some reason you did not get this message. However, this is easy to fix.

Just go to Settings of the App, scroll down to the very end and tap the "Check for Data Update" button. This should fix the empty frequency selection issue because the frequency list is included in that Data update.

I use this method to be able to update the Frequency list (and Call Prefix Database, Band Plan etc.) at any time without the need to wait for Apple to release an App which nowadays can take even weeks until a new Update is available.

Thanks all here for your kind comments!!!

73,
Marcus, DL8MRE
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Oh boy, I may never put my iPad down, now.
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Nice Job Marcus



works nicely here..
with ipad pro ipadOS12 and 6600M v 3.1.7

only noticed the log did not capture the GRID of the received station
and
as a result could not export as part of adif file

overall..... nice JoB..

i just did my first FT8 QSO  ..... couch potato Style   ..
then
my wife took back her ipad ;-(
 
cant wait till you do it for the iphone
cause then it will be fun making some FT8 contacts while walking the dog


SO COOL  . . . .

Paul K3SF

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Thanks Marcus.  Just downloaded it to my iPad and it seems to be working nicely.  Just a couple of questions:

 ·       How do I lock the TX frequency?

·       What exactly does the Auto button do?  Incidentally, as the background changes from dark blue to black it is difficult to tell if it has been pressed or not.

·       Most DT report around 1, so is there a means of adjusting the iPad’s time reference?

 Great app, and I can see FT8 QSOs taking place in all sorts of places!

   
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Hi Jeff,

thank You!

You can unlock the TX Frequency by using the ... Button next to the entry fields. Unchecking TX=RX will allow to enter a different TX Frequency which will never change.

The Auto Button will enable auto sequence mode (default). If enabled, you never have to select the appropriate message because it will be selected and Advanced automatically depending on the received message. 
(This and More is also explained in the manual which can be found under Settings. Please note, there are two Manuals, one for the App in general and another for the Tools which also explains how to use the FT8 Tool. Maybe have a look and you may also find some additional bells and whistles which are not immediately obvious)

Regarding, the DT Value, this is because encoding and decoding takes some time on the iPad. That was the biggest challenge for the implementation. However, there is a new update waiting for being released by Apple which includes FT4. For FT4 timing is even more critical so I had to re-thing and re-write the whole receiving/decoding/analyzing/sending sequence in order to allow FT4 and FT8 will then also benefit from these improvements. So you should see way lower DT values with the next version. 
So it’s not the iPad Time. I personally never had a situation where the iPad time didn’t match (different to my PC), however it might happen. So it’s probably no bad idea to open the website time.is on Safari to double check.

73,
Marcus, DL8MRE 
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Marcus I’m new to using my iPad with your app which is really fantastic! But I also hate tuning on the iPad in any mode.are there devices that will interface with the iPad that make tuning easier? I’ve not been able to locate the correct model BLUETOOTH Griffin PowerMate.
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On eBay, search for Griffin Bluetooth, there are several there. 
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Marcus,

Do you have plans to add the mouse stroll capability in your Flex iPad app?

Thanks,

Reggie
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Marcus - beautiful!
A few suggestions/questions...
1) can we have a small waterfall display somehow? It’s good to see the “band” activity. Maybe just the last 15 sec?
2) the active vs inactive Auto and Tx button colors are really hard to see
3) I also see G4IUA’s DT issue, although HamSpots shows my TX DT around -0.5
4) Auto seems to have trouble with RR73 - looks like it continues to send Tx4
5) Data file mentioned FT4, but do not see how to switch modes
6) Is there a way to allow more lines in the RX window? Or filter CQ and “mycall” so that busy band activity doesn’t scroll out of sight?
7) any chance for a jt-alert style beep when “mycall” is decoded?


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Thanks George,

regarding 1, just use the Panadapter tab at the bottom and you will get the waterfall. You will even see the DX Calls on the Panadapter, if enabled.

2, 3, 4, 5 and 7 are solved or will come with the next version which has been sent to Apple some time ago and sits there to get released by Apple. They are quite busy at the moment due to the security issues and many bugs in iOS 13 so it may take some time until it’s available but my work is done already.

Regarding 6, I have a filter function in mind that I wanted to add in one of the next versions. I also thought about removing duplicate entries in the RX list which may also reduce the amount of lines. If that will not help, I may also think about an option to enlarge the RX list.

73,
Marcus, DL8MRE 
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Hi Markus ,
my iPad 2018 OS 13.1.1 Gen6 works not on TX DAX .
DAX is enabled  and the Level was displayed and i can  hear the Output on the Pad (MON).

The Flex switch to TX , but the NF Signal failed and i have no Output .

Thanks

Micha




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Micha, for support please use the "Contact Developer" button inside the App.

However, DAX needs to be switched off in case you want to use the App with on SSB etc. mist an internal or external mike or Headset and you need to select iPad as audio source in the right menu,

DAX is only needed for FT8 from inside my App or if you want to use the App along with any additional Software on a PC or Mac, which is also possible.

There are some more troubleshooting tips in the Manual, last chapter "common issues".

But again, feel free to contact me from inside the App.

Thanks,
73,
Marcus
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Welcome
First I would like to apologise for partially private message for Marcus I just downloaded the update of SMARTSDR for iOS and i have noticed that the smartControl support was added. With my visually empaired perspective using with VoiceOver i could not find the place where this support is possible to enable. I have got the usb camera for iPad adapter and the lightning with power supply socked second one. 
I tried to write directly to your e-Mail  but servicee is temporary unavailable. 
Kind regards for everyBody from Poland
Lukas SQ9BZ
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I was finally able to update and try fT8, nice feature. But when I logged the 5 qso’s to the app log, I noticed that it didn’t capture the time of the qso’s, thus when exporting them to my Log4Om they didn’t had the time. What did I missed or what do I need to verify?
73,
Santiago
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Could that be a Time format issue? I indeed add the Time to the log in UTC and 24hrs format and colon between hrs and minutes. However, I will double check.
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Marcus - possible sequencer/display bug? Auto was on.


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I've had this happen too, so it might be something to look into.  However I had the satisfaction at sitting at a supermarket cafe this afternoon and working the world on FT8 and I didn't look remotely geeky (as far as I know!)
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I noticed too that it doesn’t like to send 73 after receiving RR73, which sometimes confuses the other station.

Justin
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It would not be correct to answer an RR73 with 73. A 73 would only be correct after an RRR or 73 and that's how my App handles it.

But yes, I also noticed some HAMs who don't know this and they continue to send RR73 until they have a 73.
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oh, and regarding auto-sequence missing entries, just be patient for the next version. It's still sitting at Apples Desk (for quite some time now)
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JTDX generates an RR73 by default (instead of an RRR); that's why you are seeing it.  If I also remember correctly, the latest release of WSJT-X also uses RR73 as well.
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hi Marcus

About missing grid info, no big deal.  i was able to export the adif file.
 
after the export adif, i then emailed it to myself and  imported into mldx log and just had mldx update any missing data fields  ...

so there are work arounds ....


yep....i saw how the calls appear in the panafall display...nice idea...
of course on iphone version they would be way tooooooo small ;-)

i truly appreciate all the hard work that went into this update
and
how it has made using my 6600m so much more fun...

cant say enough about your efforts...
best i can do is say "thanks"


Paul K3SF

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hi marcus

i use MacloggerDX (MLDX) by Don Agro. It seems it does not filter out what may appear to be a duplicate when importing an adif.

i can run a duplicate scan to find and ID duplicates ONLY after they have been entered into the MLDX log.
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My work around now is  to delete log entries in the FT8 'tools' AFTER i confirm it in my master MLDX log.

like you said, i can delete a log entry in Log Tool by swiping left as you said on the entry and hitting DELETE

for me this works....

i completely understand the variability that can happen with the differing log programs...


i always enjoy using the s/w you develop...

thanks again
Paul K3SF
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Paul: MacLoggerDX has a "Reject Duplicates" option when importing ADIF...

Import Options:
  • Import Addresses - ADIF addresses do not always parse correctly into street, city, country.
  • Reject Duplicates - This can be useful if you are constantly importing from the same ADIF file but only want to capture the new QSOs.
    A duplicate QSO is one where the times-on are within one minute, the RX frequencies are within 10 hz. and the Call signs are identical.
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hey thanks Don...

i learn something every day...
but
i dont see any preference setting in 6.25.20b
and
i keep getting multiple dups when i import adif file

i will email you off line from here

Paul K3SF
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It's an option in the Import ADIF dialog - has been for years.
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well after some emails with Don, mldx does work exactly like he says....

it is not a preference but the option button appears on the bottom of the import screen....

DUH...operator error once again

i have looked right thru this option button for all the years i  have been using MLDX





i am all set now
and
i want to thank both Don and Marcus for their patience with me...

Paul K3SF
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Marcus’ truly elegant FT8 implementation in SSDR for iOS is exactly what digital on a tablet should be. 
I saw this thread, and went through and updated everything to the latest version. I had purchased SSDR V3 when it came out, but rolled back to 2.4.9 because I didn’t like the profile  auto-save implementation. It is worth it to use V2.5/V3 and above just to use the FT8 feature in SSDR iOS, which when combined with the new SSDR control of Antenna Genius, gives me an actual tablet-only operation. 

I love SSB too, but if you just want to do a bit of radio unobtrusively, this is a really fun way to do it. 
Thank you Marcus for a fine bit of software!!!!

73

Justin

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Hi Marcus

Fantastic that you have implemented FT8 and continue to refine and improve the software.

Have you considered expanding your logging software (nothing too complicated) to work seamlessly across all platforms. Something like Log4om but with added functionality specifically for flex like writing spots to panafall in windows etc.

I find all the current software lacking or overly complicated and taking up too much screen real estate.

Thanks again.

Andy M5ZAP
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Playing with it now.....how do you get back to the TOOLS menu? All that shows is Panadapter, the Radio, FT8 and Settings.
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Upper left corner of the FT8 screen...
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Hi Charlie:

while in the FT8 Tool, either tap on the Back button at the top left corner (which says "Tools").

The second option is just to tap again on the FT8 button at the bottom.

Hope this helps.

73,
Marcus, DL8MRE

P.S. Bill, you were quicker. Thanks!
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The biggest problem I'm seeing is the DT. I've only successfully worked 2 stations with low DT. And I'm local on the WLAN.
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Hi ,
I had the same Problem
Reset the Radio , eliminates this Problem !
Backup the settings first .
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Micha,   tnx for the suggestion.  I did reset the radio with no improvement.  I went to my laptop and started Fldigi thinking I had a WSJTX problem.   The tune button worked for Fldigi, so I went back to the iPad and now the rig keyed on FT8 and I had RF output. I worked one station to prove it was working.  I rebooted the iPad with no difference.  I tried to change my profiles from the iPad and that did not work.  I think I will wait for the next release of SSDR or IOS.  
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The next version is already there Brian but you might have accidentally changed some settings which are preventing you from transmitting.

This can easily happen due to so many settings the App provides. The easiest way to get back to normal is to try the new Button I have introduced recently which can be found under Settings -> Show extended settings and is called "Restore default settings". Maybe it's worth a try.
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Thanks for reply,. I will follow your suggestion when I get back to town
--Brian
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Marcus,  I installed the new version today and all is well.   The transmit does now work - I did not have to adjust any settings, just new program.  Thanks for a great program.  I can chase DX from the living room couch.
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I notice a nice improvement in sequencing and decoding if I drop the panadapter fps rate down. Since I’m not looking at the waterfall while running FT8/4, 1 fps is totally fine.


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Yes, that's a very good point and good to know. FT8 decoding (and encoding!) requires a lot of horse power and decoding and drawing the Panadapter as well so it might happen that slower iPads could get too slow when FPS and Rate values are too high resulting in a delayed FT8 encoding/decoding and if other stations are not close to DT0,0 they may fail decoding your signal or the other way round.

Again, good point and worth that I put this to the "Common issues" section of my Manual.

Thanks George!

73,
Marcus, DL8MRE
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 When my iPad is in Dark Mode, the FT8/4 screen colors are not correct - text and background are the same color. Highlighting a line changes the background and allows reading.

Thanks for all the work, Marcus!

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Dark Theme is now supported in the new Version 3.6. which is available since yesterday.