For V4 I would like to have ........

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I have no use for V3 so I am looking towards V4

For V4 I would like to have FT8 built into SSDR. It's rapidly becoming the most popular mode on every band especially 160. Incorporating FT8 into SSDR would eliminate the interfacing issues with WSJT-X (need to restart DAX, decoding stops , etc.). Ideally this would tie into JTAlert or perhaps SSDR could have it's own version of JTAlert.

This is a feature I would be willing to pay the upgrade fee for.
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Considering how many people do not like FT8 and how quickly digital mode technology is evolving, I'd be seriously surprised if Flex would consider adding FT8 to SSDR.  This is a feature I'd never pay for.
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I'll never understand why some people hate FT8 so much. It's just another mode. I'll bet RTTY was hated when it was first introduced.

FT8 is a wonderful way for deaf people to participate in ham radio. It's also great for those with speech problems like recovering stroke victims to enjoy QSO's
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Also great for those of us with (of necessity) severely compromised antennas and power output. 
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I'll bet RTTY was hated when it was first introduced.

Pat you'd loose that bet.  RTTY was, and still is popular with hams, even decades ago when electro-mechancial devices were being used.  I consider RTTY a real communications mode, meaning you can carry on a real conversation, not just a brief data exchange.  (Yes, I know JS8Call allows more information.)

I'll never understand why some people hate FT8 so much.

Who said hate? Pat what you seem to be missing is, while some enjoy FT8, and that's great, there are others that feel that the FT8 mode is too impersonal, too robotic, too automatic, somewhat mindless, and/or generally boring and repetitious.

Bottom line, if you enjoy FT8, by all means go forth and exchange call signs and signal reports till your hearts content.  Just know everyone may not see things the way you do.   
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And location (grid square).  Now if only they could add the weather, your job and rig.
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I also have seen FT8 "change" meaning Joe Taylor is updating it with new modes and features.  I think it would be unlikely that Flex would want to get in that mix with an internal decoder.

If you are having lots of issues with DAX then something is wrong.  I had a period of instability but it is mostly gone.  I can fire up SSDR and DAX with WSJT-X and it runs all day long without issue.

Like the others in this comment I doubt flex will re-invent the wheel here.
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As long as it does not use any radio sesources, keeping in mind we are talking thin client here.

Perhaps just skip V4 features all together and work on many of the oustanding problems we have now. Then go back to working on features.
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I think that this point is moot.  My understanding is that the developers of WSJT modes will only allow it to be incorporated into other software if it is on a no-pay basis.  That is why, for example, HRD/Digital Master does not include FT8.  If I'm wrong someone tell me.  Having said that, WSJT-X is so easy to use with the Flex I'm not sure that there would be much point in incorporating it into SDR.
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Another point of NOT including FT8 encode/decode into SSDR is WSJT-X includes several modes in addition to FT8. With the continued refinement of FT8 (v2 vs v1) it would be difficult for Flex to expend engineering resources to keep up with changes. 

Flex has made it easy to use third party software via DAX and CAT and WSJT-X works extremely well, including Fox/Hound mode so why reinvent the wheel?

Dave wo2x

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I suppose you could say the same thing about CWX.

There's a number of third party CW  keyboard coders available.

Or how about the Quick Record feature? There's lots of ways to do that outside SSDR,

Just because a function is available via third party applications doesn't mean it wouldn't be nice to incorporate the same functionality in SSDR.
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How often does the alphabet change? (CWX)

Recorder - if you want to do anything but quick record and playback you NEED to use third party software (Contest voice keyer with multiple selections, export recordings to a file)

The point is the FT8 protocol has changed several times, making older versions not compatible to newer versions. This would require extra engineering time to keep up with the changes. Flex would not release a new version the same day Joe Taylor and crew decide to change F/H mode. Imagine the uproar if a Bouvet Island DXPedition required a new version of FT8 protocol and Flex did not release a new version. 

As Roger mentioned above Joe Taylor has stated there are restrictions to allowing others to use his protocol in other programs. (We had the opportunity to have him as a guest speaker at NJDXA meeting).

Yes it would be convenient to have an all included but I prefer to leave as-is since it works so well. Using latest Windows 10 OS on an I7 8700k CPU I have not had any DAX dropouts in a long time.
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I second Bill VA3WTB's suggestion: Flex's top priority should be eradicating the backlog of reported-but-uncorrected defects.

I further suggest that Flex

a. correct these defects in the next version of v3 (not v2)

b. make the next version of v3 (and all future "core versions") free

c. retire v2.

To enable this approach, Flex should add a license manager to the next version of v3 so that multiFlex would only be available to users who pay a $199 license fee; anyone who paid for the current v3 would receive a multiFlex license. Any future enhancements would similarly require purchasing a license.

It is entirely reasonable for Flex to charge for multiFlex. This is a significant new capability. A business is expected to generate a profit from the value it delivers to its customers.

The correction of a defect, on the other hand, should be available without charge to anyone who purchased a Flex product now afflicted by that defect.

By always correcting defects in a free core version and selling licenses to new enhancements, Flex and its user community both win:

1. users are assured that defects discovered in Flex products they've purchased will be available at no charge

2. users can optionally purchase licenses for enhancements they consider useful

3. Flex can focus its support on a  single core release

4. Flex can develop new enhancements for which interested users pay to receive a license




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I am not a Flex employee

Even though all versions of software continue to be supported by Flex I suspect soon V2 will become feature frozen if it has not been already.

In effect being retired....
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From the FlexRadio FAQ:

"Will there be another release for SmartSDR version 2?"

"Yes, we will be releasing SmartSDR v2.5 later in 2019. SmartSDR v2.5 will be a maintenance release which will include a number of performance improvements and bug fixes."

https://www.flexradio.com/faq-smartsdr/
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I wonder if the reason Flex bundles Multiflex with patches/fixes is that it forces more people to buy the upgrade. If they did as Dave suggests, and license Multiflex separately, they would only have people wanting Multiflex buying the license. It might greatly reduce their revenue and expose the real interests of users.
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Jon you may be on to something?
I don’t think FRS is nefarious like that but after this v3.0 roll out I would like to think they are going to re-think there software development strategy, But what do I know?
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After being a Flex customer for 8 months and experiencing two upgrades I can now say that I am loosing enthusiasm for Flex.

I’ve also been an Elecraft customer for the past 5 years. I am still enthusiastic about the K3 and have recommended it to many others over the years. It is a top notch high performance amateur radio platform.

Satisfied, excited and delighted customers will help Flex capture a larger market share and increase their annual revenue which will benefit all of us.

I sincerely hope Flex pays attention to the recent feedback and makes adjustments. I truly want them to succeed in building a world class amateur radio platform.

Joe
N3HEE
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Most of my suggestions don't get much traction but here is an older one, revisited.

What is needed is an interface to 3rd party applications that are addressable in two places:
1) Through a standard format API data block, with content applicable to the particular application being implemented.  This could be any format data
2) Through a radio interface to a hosted application (such as USB to a local computer that can run the user application)

With that structure any 3rd party application can communicate from the operating position, remote or local, to the matching application running at the server site.  Think rotator control, decoders, loggers.  All without changing the SSDR in any way, other than creating the interface. 
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I agree with Bill, just fix what has been broken for years, then consider adding new features.  One thing I would like to have fixed ASAP is the auto save function for profiles...give us the the option.  73's to all
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I am not a Flex employee,

Flex already does that. as I understand..It is impossible to end up with a 100% defect free software..They on a regular bases review two kinds of defects. The ones that are critical to the performanc of the radio, and the defects that are not.


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No, Flex has not followed a policy of correcting all reported defects before implementing new features.

No one can claim that any non-trivial application is free of latent defects, but one can correct all reported defects. Over the past 18 years, the number of reported-but- uncorrected defects across all 8 applications in the DXLab Suite has rarely exceeded 4, and is usually 0. Newly reported defects are typically corrected within 24 hours.

The traffic in this forum over the past few weeks would make an excellent case study demonstrating what happens when a major enhancement is introduced without all previously-reported defects having been corrected, particularly when the major enhancement is not of interest to all users (which would have been fine had all reported defects been corrected).
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Imagine if you bought a new 6600 and something on it didn't work. You would expect it to be fixed before new models are introduced and it usually is. Then why is software not always fixed before new major releases are introduced ?

You pay for the software just like you pay for the hardware yet the software doesn't get the attention that the hardware does. In the case of Flex, the software is as much a vital component of the rig as any physical component
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One does not make money from fixing bugs. Although I recently got help from Eric where he stayed on the phone over an hour ON A WEEKEND.
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Eric KE5DTO consistently provides excellent support. It is a pleasure to work with him.
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I’d like to see a future version combine the product from several Flex-6000 radio servers together.

I’d also wonder if the Maestro and M models could gain an ability to carry onboard software that now has to stand alone?

73

Steve
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I wanted to clarify that my wish for a future version Maestro and M model carrying onboard additional software may be as simple as allowing software FRS vets as acceptable to be hosted and run on the internal display computer with some provision to provide access through SmartSDR for Maestro/SmartSDR for M-models GUI.  

This limited capability would not be to provide a full operating computer environment, but would perhaps to allow some very limited capabilities including shimware to handle certain configurations in the ecosystem.

Some of the ideal uses would be watchdog routines and better interfacing with 4o3a Genius product line for automation.

73

Steve
K9ZW
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Another feature on my wish list would be the ability to apply custom skins to SSDR. The 2.3.9 color scheme is pretty boring
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I would like the world map on the display along with the DX spots, like what we have on PSDR right now.
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You can get DX spots on the panadapter now.
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and you can have those spots displayed on a world map now
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I can bring up the world map in SSDR panadapter?
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You can display the locations of active stations on a world map displayed by a 3rd party application; clicking the location of an active station on the map will QSY your Flex Signature to the station's frequency and mode.
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Pure Signal / Pre-distortion please :)

73

Volker
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Get DAX to work via SmartLink.

73,

Reggie
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Reggie, DAX works via SmartLink starting with v2.4.9. This functionality is also in v3.0.19
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So FT8 can be used remotely via SmartLink via a PC laptop?

Reggie
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Yes
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Thanks.  I will give it a try.
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Other features I would like included in V4 would be the ability to pin commonly used functions to the lower bar much like the windows task bar.

I would also like placed on the lower bar displays for temp, voltage, etc. I know you can get these via DDUTIL but why clutter up the screen with more apps when the information is readily available on the radio? I know others use DDUTIL for a lot more but I don't.


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Pat perhaps an Icon for each block on the control panel, so when the control panel is hiden you just click an icon along the bottom bar to bring up a control block.

Radio information as you say would be good, perhaps on the top bar?

And I would like an auto id feature, in CW or voice.
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Bill, are you referring to the panels on right side? If so already exists on buttons at top of the panels on right. You can hide unneeded ones.

Dave wo2x
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I heard you tonight, to me? Flex sounded better,, but so close to call.  thanks dave.
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Thanks Bill.

Dave
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Never mind, I just took a close look at the control panel and you can do almost anything you want with it,,it is well thought out.