FlexRadio Systems Announces Upcoming Availability of SmartSDR v3.0

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I haven't been keeping up with the community like I should. I Just saw this on the Flex support site: https://www.flexradio.com/downloads/press-release-smartsdr-v3/

The date of the article is January 28, 2019. 

I see three new features announced:
1) Multiflex
2) new band settings menu/panel
3) TX/MIC Profile changes saved on the fly

There's more? $199.

I know; if it's not for me don't buy it. Or, to put a Harley twist on it, if you have to ask, you'll never understand. My feelings about v1, v2 and now maybe v3 are that v1 had tons of innovative stuff added from the early days up to the release of v2. V2 didn't seem to have much past its initial features. I pull some windows out of the main window sometimes. Now, to me, v3 doesn't really seem to add a whole lot of general stuff over v2 for a $199 price tag.

For those that know the rig well and may not be so into the remote features (doesn't work on AT&T 4G)... how might the features above be valuable? Is there anything there really exciting that would compel you to move from v1 or v2 to v3? If so, I'd like to hear about it.

For those of you still on v1, have you felt like you missed anything? People are still using v1, right?


73,
Kev K4VD
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I think it would be great to have 2 instances (or 3 or 4) of SSDR running at the same time on different computers. 

I can see that for Contesters it would be great but for me, it really would be magic, 4 slice receivers at the same time and a simple click to change the TX slice.

Mind you, I do have a lot of computers and screens available and a KVM switch for mouse and keyboard. All tied it up to WS7M's Flexlogger - just need to sort out where the database is stored. 

Tim
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Years and all I want is a basic squelch and a ANF that work good...... every other radio ive had for 10 years has both.
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@K5ROX. Thanks for the useful input!
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4 receivers running and all alone silent.....but 4 together isn't.


I and other have been told it would have squelch...... shouldn't the companies word be enough?


Even more so..... there is squelch for FM, why disable it for other modes?

Its there.. don't turn it off.  NoOne has to use it, why would there input even count, Its optional.
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K5ROX, this has been hashed out a lot in the past. No squelch yet, that's how it is.
But what most of us are doing is using Slice Master to take care of it. It works with SSDR as if it is part of SSDR.
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This is kind of a pet peeve of mine so sorry about what may seem like a diatribe.
NoOne has to use it, why would there input even count, Its optional.
I think that's a point some people forget. There can only be two things on a person's mind when they shoot down another's suggestion:

1) They don't want it to interfere with suggestions they already made and are waiting for. I can kind of understand this I guess.

2) They are <blank> enough to think their way is the only way and your suggestion is just silly.

Oh, there's another about them trying to protect precious Flex resources when, in fact, they have no real idea what those resources might be. Same group that buys something just to support the company I'd guess.

Let Flex take care of their own business.

Would I use squelch? Probably not. It doesn't really suite the way I operate. Would I not want you to have it because I don't want it? That would be kind of <blank> of me.

73,
Kev K4VD



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Kevin, Exactly... well put.
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This has opened up a new world for contesting, this is something no other radio can do or can do. And it's just a start. I don't think I will purchase V3 just yet as it does not improve my station much at all because of the way I operate. But I do understand this Multiflex is a big big deal and changes everything, So I will belittle it.

I find the new panel interesting and this may be useful.
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Problem solved. I just got in line for the V3 upgrade. It only cost me about $8K. It comes with a 6700, Maestro and other goodies. V3 better be worth it. ;)

73,
Kev K4VD
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Just be prepared to spend the same amount in 2-3 years when v4 comes out!
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Congrats Kevin!  Really though, smart thing to do if you were upgrading your radio anyways, especially that deal.
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Sounds like a nice update.  Am I the only one who noticed that this update is only 1 1/2 years since version 2?  It was a lot longer between version 1 and 2 (several years).  Should we expect version 4 in 6 months and noting no additional cost to update no matter what version you have-just wait.  Just thinking out loud.
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Let's get through V3 first!  :)
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I'm thinking it will save me from buying a third monitor. I think the iPad will handle the radio controls fine while I use the two existing monitors for other duties. It was one of those things. At first glance I thought what do I need that for? After thinking about it, it was probably not Flex's first intention, maybe not even the second or third. But it works for me.
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Similar thinking makes me want having sync betwen SSDR and Maestro. Being able to have same slice open on both and then tuning with Maestro following on the "big" screen would be great for me. I really do hope they will look it over and see if this is easy implemented?

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I was hoping for the ability to access the recording files and not need additional software. I just looked through some of the requests for features and none of them were added. 
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Although it is another software the flexlogger has a nice recording and play back capability that works very well.
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Yes, for those who haven't taken a look at Flexlogger, you really should. Besides everything Mark has done so far, the audio features are a highlight. Easy as clicking on the audio tab, clicking a button to record a QSO or from mic. Click of of button to play locally on your computer or through the radio. Rename files with a button click.

For anyone wanting to record QSOs and audio bits for contests, this is what the doctor ordered.
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What the Doctor should have ordered is a similar capability that was available with PowerSDR. While the Signature series and SmartSDR is a step forward, its two steps back in features. I dont use Windows, so Flexlogger is not an option. 
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May not be an option for you but as I was just trying to point out from posts of the past, the answer to recording multiple audio was not going to be solved within SmartSDR because of the reasons explained before. If memory serves me correct, the recording is saved within the radio internally and not on the PC. It would create serious security issues if FRS were to allow a PC to access files within the radio. So I think it is safe for me to assume they will never allow that to happen so hence the easy 3rd party solution.

Use of other software such as Audacity was commonly suggested. I was simply pointing out Flexlogger great simplifies this task. I guess I should have said, "For the vast majority who use windows, this is what the doctor ordered".
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I hear ya Mike, However I have done a lot of testing and my Audacity recordings are not as good as the internal flex recordings. So I guess I can save $199 for now ..
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Rome wasn't built in a day or two .. nor have we had SSDR for a very long time. Flex need to make decissions on what to add based on both a long term business plan, as well as customer requests. Give e'm a break, we still have so much more of functions, features, nice to have, than any other radio I have had at least. If anything is asked for that is wanted by many, fits within Flex long term plan, then I'm pretty sure it will be there someday.
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Hey Flexers!

I would like to thank everyone for the amazing feedback! I know it can be frustrating that there are features that we have not been able to get to yet but I assure you we really appreciate the input we get from you. Please keep it coming.

We will always continue to improve our software! This is the great thing about a FlexRadio is that it will continue to get better.

Our small but mighty team will continue to work to advance the radio art!

Thank you for all of your support.
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Burt its been 5 years. The first request was made 5 years ago and many many times since then .. 
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Everything that people are asking for is in the future. How about us hams that are not into contesting and don't need 2 operators on a radio. Even though it is nice for contesting it is not for me as I'm not a contester.

Once again . . . How about noise mitigation that works. Icom,Yaesu,Kenwood even the Flex 3000 had noise mitigation that works. It is garbage on the 6000 series. Voice recorder that works?? Instead you come out with another "first" multiFLEX and don't touch the bugs.

So now everyone can start bashing me and tell me how wrong I am.
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Steve, all of your comments and requests are completely reasonable. Please don't hesitate to share your input and desires with us. We may not be able to deliver on everything but it is important for us to receive the feedback. Thanks for your great support!
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@Burt

In my experience with product development you first build the features that will bring in the most revenue the quickest as you have to be able to make payroll,

Then you fix the easy ones so you can make a lot of people happy,

Then you do with the tough ones as they take a long time and typically do not enhance revenue that much or make that many people happy.

V3. Multi-Client has been by far the most asked for feature by the Flex Customer Base. 

I personally do not feel that Flex Users are Average but rather they are exceptional people with forward looking views of the world.

4 Months.. its software.. it always takes longer to fix than anyone ever guesses it will..

Plus it is likely that it has not been elevated by the customer base for immediate repair as they wanted a lot of other things fixed or new features added before that. 
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You receive the feedback but that is as far as it goes
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I hope we can see some new YouTube videos of V3 soon from FRS.
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Hi Matt

I can understand if you like to save the goodies for Orlando ;)  But just a short video would be marvelous to see. I'm sure it will put some "stressreleif" on you and Flexradio and ease some of the pressure from us all courious and "eager to see" on the community. 
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Hi Johan, Thanks so much for the tip! We have already begun the process. We are waiting on a few final revisions to the user interface before we shoot the video. We will share the video as soon as we have it completed.
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Matt,  anyone told you that you are among the best? non mentioned and non forgotten!
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As far as the new “TX/MIC Profile changes saved on the fly” feature can you disable that feature and save manually like prior versions?

 Am I missing something?
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There is not an on/off on this function. You can easily generate new profiles based on existing ones if you would like.
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did you say and on/off switch for squelch?
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OK I'm sure I will adapt to the new configuration.

Any changes to Diversity functions?

Thanks

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Sort of......

On V3 I can receive on my radio and a second radio located elsewhere at the same time... I have a friend about 30 miles away with similar antennas and 6700... it will give us true wide area diversity receive.. especially since he is East of the mountains and I am to the West

For those without friends to share their radios, or are unwilling to share they will miss out on this really great feature.
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Here's my 2 bits:
     If you are in Cledisville BFE, and your YL is at the house, and you both need to use the same equipment to get checked in to a net, or for some (heaven forbid) emergency relying on your expertise, I can certainly see a 'Need" for a MultiFlex experience. While you are at it, Get the algorithms on the Noise Blankers, etc Working so you can once again Blow Our Minds!
Jim
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Great news to see multi-client get announced! Before I order a Maestro, just checking that Maestro and SSDR can see the same pans and slices? Let's say I have a pan open on 20M with slice A and B. Can I see and tune the same pan and slices on SSDR and the Maestro?
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I made a poll:  https://www.strawpoll.me/17332956

:-)

Edit: I think v3 will be great, and I'm not a contester at all.  Looking forward to it.

Edit #2: Any poll here will only be representative of who reads this thread in this post and decides to click on the link and vote. So the results probably wouldn't be representative of all flex owners anyway.
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Hi Robbie,
I just created a poll too,  inspired by Eric's comments but with many expanded choices.

https://groups.io/g/FlexRadioSmartSDR/topic/what_kind_of_frs_owner/29597103?p=,,,50,0,0,0::recentpos...

Snapshot showing choices and "non-scientific notice."




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Thanks Al! Your poll is much better than the one I made. <grin> Voted.
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I don't think it is a feature of the GetSat communities to offer polls so hopefully folks will find ours interesting.  And as you noted, they are not scientific but still interesting.  I voted in yours too,

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In looking at the poll results, a very small sample size for now, it appears serious, big time radio contesting is not dominant.  In fact nothing appears to dominate the results though more responses may change results.  I suspect use results of a larger sample size would be evenly distributed - no material peak at multi-remote multiple clients from lunar base. We're a pretty diverse market in terms of preferences, I do believe.

Anyway, a poll on this forum will be skewed by those interested enough to spend time and energy helping each other and trying to send a message to Flex.  Outside of this group no one knows. This applies to the current polling as well as to prior votes for new features. A few users care relative to many who don't.

It has nothing to do with price for me.  If V3 offered something that mattered to my casual operating style I'd preorder and pay today.

Profiles are an example, I use a few and rarely change.  Power settings per band don't matter - always 100W. No amps to drive.  Always ANT1.  There is no need here to network the radio, remote operation is just not my cup of tea.  
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Thanks Matt,

This "on the horizon" topic has been flogged rather seriously in the past.  I've been a ham for 53 years and I suspect my view of the approaching horizon is a bit different than yours. 

I just wish y'all would take a few minutes in a staff or engineering meeting to gin up a more useful answer than "on the horizon."  Don't misunderstand, I really like my 6400 and Flex is very good company.  As a loyal user and  follower I do feel we deserve a bit more information.   I reckon I'm feeling a tad frustrated after reading the V3 announcement with great expectations followed by let down.

I suspect there are more ops like me than Flex may realize and we too would like to experience a bit of the "new things" excitement.

Is there anything at all in V3 for us non remote/multi users?  I think its not finished, right? Not at RTM.  Maybe there is something.  I would hope.

Just crazy thoughts Matt.

Now I'll go away.
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QSL 59. 

We hear you loud and clear. Thanks again for the feedback. We are always trying to grow and improve. 
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So if i read right, unless you own a dual SCU model radio, the V3 upgrade is worthless? Why have 2 people in remote locations fighting over a single SCU?
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Not exactly. They can share the same SCU as long as they are listening within the range of the scu. 14MHz in a 6500, 7MHz in a 6300
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A single SCU can receive many different frequencies at the same time. I have a 6500 with only one SCU and with my LP Antenna I can listen to four bands from 20 to 6 Meters at the same time.

While a dual SCU rig would be more flexible, I wouldn’t call it worthless on a single SCU rig. One user could use two slices and the other user could get the other two slices.
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I and a couple other Flex owners would like to know if the DAX drivers and WIN-10 issue been fixed in V3? If not, we'll probably wait for a version that resolves the issue.
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Cute Story  Now back to Flex Radios and the fact that you can actually use V3 on a 1 SCU radio with two operators albeit if they are both quite wide apart you would lose the receive bandpass filters
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FEDEX delivered my Intel 4004 development system at Harris RF Communications around 1974. My first design (and patent) tracked ships on the Great Lakes.
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I picked up the sample 8008 in the summer of 1972 and even stopped at the Findlay Ohio Hamfest on the drive back.
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New to the party here.  There is much mention of multiflex remote usage in V3.  Will I be able to take a Maestro on the road and use it remotely, without the need for external VPN tools?
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For most connections, yes. The Maestro establishes the connection to the SmartLink servers and the radio.

Some cellular hotspots may not properly pass the necessary ports. I use my Samsung Galaxy S9 on AT&T as a hotspot and it works fine with the Maestro.

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