Flex hatred by other amateur radio operators

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When you mention you are using a Flex radio most non Flex owning hams are supportive or neutral.  But a few hams get really angry like you desecrated their mother's grave.  Has anyone else ran into this?
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Jim Jerzycke

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Not yet, but I have had others question my use of a "knobless" radio.

And of course I've run into people controlling their rigs with their PC's, and claiming they now have a "Software Defined Radio"!

73, Jim
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Michael Coslo

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I prefer no knobs except the flex control.
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sky

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People fear or hate what they do not understand. It is part of the human condition.
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Jim Gilliam

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Most "knob" hams live in a world of utter ignorance. Yes, I have noticed.


Jim, K6QE 

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Jim Gilliam

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Such latitude in the differences of opinion has made horse races popular.
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Walt - KZ1F

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The snide remarks, denigrations, mocking seem to originate on this side of the fence.
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Barry N1EU

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This is hilarious, "knob haters" as a ham demographic.
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Dan -- KC4GO

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one should NEVER say never or always!!!
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Michael Coslo

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But... but, I always say never!
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Jim Gilliam

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I just love to look at "knob hams" lash up for remote and digital operation. It is pathetic and I feel sorry for them.



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Haven't had very much of the backlash - makes little to no sense either for someone you are obviously in QSO with to "go off" because of what gear you use.

Must be some sort of envy thing?

Sometimes I get that sort of "It must be nice..." snide sort of thing, but nothing offensive.

I do invite people to come play with the Flexes (I have a 6700 and 6300) and have had several join me for some portable 6300 operations - we ha d a blast.  A lot of fun to share the experience.

A couple Luddites prattled on a few times about "real radios have tubes & knobs" to which my quick retort always is "you mean like the S-Line station right next to me in my shack?"  

Thinking go it it does mostly seem like Envy rather than anything else when you get a downer in a QSO.

73

Steve
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However, my "purety" of thinking will never reach the point is to get up in the morning to see how many JT65 QSO's my flex made during the night.


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Andrew Russell

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I my experience it is very rare. Ham radio is a very diverse hobby with participants from all sectors of society. We all have our individual passions and resources. United by a love of the radio arts and sciences. Some may be envious of those with bigger and better but in the end we all have our own paths. I have no interest in boats or golf nor a shed full of old or new cars.
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I love my flex. I love the flex control, I love a lot of things about it.  Eventually I will get the Maestro. If there was one complaint it would be that too much software isn't integrated with it directly.  I love how easy the digital modes are along with many other things.  Would never go back to a regular radio unless I wanted to just have a "collection" of radios.
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I have actually found (mostly) the opposite.  Most ops I talk to that are not familiar with SDR's want to know how the Flex works and how I use the spectral / waterfall display.  I do get an occasional  (generally good natured)  snide comment when I say I have a flex but I also got those when I was running an FTdx 5000!  I get questions about how well the Flex works vs other radios (I've had quite a few over he years).   I tell people the Flex is better than any SSB (I'm not a CW Op) I have ever owned or even had a chance to use.   I am silent about CW.      
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Barry N1EU

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Real drivers insist on manual transmissions.  It's not about speed, it's about the driving experience.
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Mark - WS7M

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My point Barry is a few "real drivers" I know, real gear heads that go to the track and everything racing their own cars have begun to sing the praise of the AT when it is tightly tuned.

I opted for a Subaru Outback which does have the CVT and it is strange to watch but it feels nice.  If I for example take off down the on ramp to an empty freeway and accelerate from say 10 mph to 75.  The RPM pretty much stays in the same place, right in the center of the peak torque and you just watch your speed climb.  Eventually when I let off a little it backs down but it is like the computer says ok here is where max torque is, now vary the transmission for max speed.

My little 3.6L Outback leaves quite a few high powered cars in the dust.  Not that I'm racing but I had a few that tried to show me their speed and I could not avoid putting my foot down for a few moments.  The little Outback just takes off.
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Barry N1EU

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Outback's drivetrain is real nice, I just prefer a WRX with manual.
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Michael Coslo

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Amazingly Walt, he was from Pennsylvania. Fords versus Chevies - and I see the conversation has veered automotive. As my wife would say, We're such guys! Whatever guys are arguing about, it ends up about cars. 8^)
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What is it they say about PA? A northeast state with two booming cities on either end separated by Alabama. Word to that effect.

I was first licensed in DE, ka3ibs then kc3mb. I got extra in RI in the early 80's.
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Nope, I've never run into it.  But if I ever do, I'll quickly dismiss them.  Why should anyone care what equipment someone else uses, much less get upset over it? 
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Bill -VA3WTB

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For me, most the rude comments I get are from other SDR radio users.
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Larry Loen WO7R

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There are always hams opposed to anything new.  Their fathers objected to SSB and their grandfathers championed spark and loathed spark's successors.  Ignore them.
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Duane, AC5AA

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Nope, have not heard this kind of response yet, and won't pay much attention to it if I ever do!
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Michael Coslo

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I've known a few. I have to hear every time from one guy that he's heard it was a "nice" radio, but he hates computers and SDRs.

What are you going to do, there are people who consider themselves the "real hams, whilst they pound away with their straight key using their Ameco.
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Walt - KZ1F

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Mike, he probably equates SDR with not having any controls, that must be driven by a business class computer. Nothing about SDR precludes front panel displays and controls.
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Walt - KZ1F

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Well, I think there is something to be said for the urge to appear avant garde, be it a radio with no physical controls, a car with no engine, a home climate control system that heats with the earth's stored reserves and replaces that heat with the heat extracted by AC in the summer or a car made from carbon fiber. But that can, and has, been taken by some to a really sophmoric level. As it relates to this forum, there is a whole segment of the Amateur Radio community that might really like a flex if it had traditional knobs, dials, and rocker switches... enter Maestro.
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I wouldn't worry about it. These are people that can't use a computer to do much more than browse the web and check e-mail on aol.
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Bob Craig, K8RC

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I'm a "real ham" (it'll be 50 years this fall) and my straight key is hooked up to my 6300.
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Kevin K4VD, Elroy

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I glued knobs to the front of my flex and stuck a 12AU7 on top just for the glow. Now everyone is happy.


No wait. I tell everyone I normally use an FT-1000 and have the 6500 as a backup.
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I think it's rare that hams are anti-Flex or anti-SDR, but there are a few out there who are.  When I was first licensed in 1966, there were a lot of hams who swore that single side band would be the demise of amateur radio.  Even though we took half the bandwidth, those of us who used SSB were  Donald Duck sounding lids.  Some people are just afraid of change, or of progress.

I have done several basic SDR presentations at hamfests and club meetings.  They are always well received and well attended.  There is a lot of curiosity, especially among newer hams. 

Sometimes an old curmudgeon will ask  me what I would do if my computer caught a virus and died.  I always answer that I would go into the Faraday cage and bust out the 75A4, KWM1, and dust off the straight key.
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If your computer died, you'd probably do the same thing as when his Kenwood TS-420 's sweep tubes croaked. 8^)
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I just had one leg of my ocf dipole snap off during a contest due to strong winds and I have had cheap transistor finals go bad on me twice with my k2 but have never had a computer nor a flex die on me.
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My 6300 shuts down for no apparent reason, never had any other rig do that. But I will still keep it
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Have found that in digital communications where hams are more used to computers, there is less negativity.  I have run across the strange attitude more in voice bands...more on 80 meters than on 20 and 40.  It is a strange phenom, however!  de W3DCB  Daniel
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75 meters is an ummmm, interesting neighborhood. Does anyone there like anything? 
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Walt - KZ1F

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They like to swear like a group of 14 yr old boys.
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I really can't imagine that someone would think negatively of another operator based on the equipment they use (unless they are driving a 5 kw amplifier with a CB transmitter and splattering over 200 khz....)   I'd rather have the bands filled with a wide variety of equipment than having empty bands.  If all the equipment was Flex, where would their growth come from?  Probably not a problem that Gerald worries about.
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I hear it all the time the contest community. The lack of knobs to speed up workflow. The lack of wins in WRTC

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But hopefully with Maestro and a few major wins that will soon change.
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Richard McClelland, AA5S

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:-) 
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Burt ... could you please explain what a solder joint is?
And why would some be hot and others cold?
Is it still cold on Cape Cod this time of year?
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A connection reflecting poor wetting action and characterized by a gray, porous appearance owing to insufficient heat or inadequate cleaning.
However I feel you are doing some mocking, you are way too smart to really ask that.
We got 2 inches of snow today and 2 inches Sunday.
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Nah ... just joking Burt as it occurred to me that there are probably a lot of hams that don't know what a cold solder joint is. 
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So very very true. I listened to chaps discussing antenna theory (with my 6500) and I had to just sit and chuckle. Ya know ya gotta check them SWR's. I no longer try to tell them the error of their ways. Just makes 'em mad. To many appliance operators.
73 Jim
WU7G
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never hear any comments - I am too busy busting pileups on my Flex 6500's :)
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Yep, I know what you mean. Got on to play radio at 10pm tonight to find FT4JA on 40m with pileup 7.145 - 7.160 was I discouraged? no, that's the challenge, within 15 minutes worked him for 5th band so far. I've got hunting the down to an art, developing that skill is much easier and faster than sitting on a frequency hoping he tunes you in.
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I hear flex bashing all the time on 75 meters... But then, that's 75 meters...
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I hear Flex bashing quite a bit of it also, some of it rabid, some of it by Anan users but also Kenwood Icom etc   Free country.  If I had a knob I'd spin it but...

73  W9OY
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I used to hear a lot of concerns wrt the 5k era line of rigs and I stayed away. I have not really heard anything bad wrt the 6k series from the unwashed masses : ) The 6k series caught my attention and got one specifically to be my main radio. Since doing so I have not looked back.

WRT knobbers,  I did not even un pack my flex knob for a year after getting the radio. Today it sits on top of my pc until there is a contest. For rtty contests though I prefer point and click with mouse.