So, from my vantage point, the 'mainstream' radio manufacturers are measuring pretty poorly against Flex Radio.
You know something, I've never been up on one of Yaesu's social communities and trashed them. There might be a lesson in that for you Tony!
And Jay , Tony is just frustrated with the wait . Having very few options and no immediate relief .
The response should come from Flex . In the form of new software releace
Tony since you bought in around 2014 , Flex has stated that they are working on it . With no release dated just when it is ready its ready .
For some this is not a sufficient answer for others it is .
This is why the response should be from flex .
Ed my questions and comments are not directed to you.....
He did not infer or say what you posted .
So this isnt a answer to you.
Tony , Sorry that your not using the Flex I am sure Flex will provide what you find necessary . The time frame has been a while .
Flex has removed the dates or expectation so they can put all their efforts into getting it right. Another good business practice .
And we all are in the same spot . Some just handle it differently . Somewhere in the postings you will find Flexes response I don't believe it has changed .
Flex 6000 series has been functional since it was introduced It just improves like wine with age .
I have found it to be sometimes effective, sometimes not, depending upon the nature of the impulse noise/hash, current band conditions, number of strong stations nearby in frequency, etc.
It also takes careful adjustment of AGC-T and NB Levels in order to maximize effectiveness. It also often requires the NB button to be toggled off and on in order to get it to function again after it gets "lost." But when it works, it can be somewhat effective. I had a station in Greece the other day on 17 meters that was totally uncopyable (I didn't even know he was there) without the NB, and fully Q5 when I properly adjusted the NB level. But then when I turned the antenna to listen to a different station on 20 Meters, I was also aimed at a different source of noise that had a different pattern and the NB was not as effective.
I am eagerly awaiting the release of v.1.5 which should bring a nice leap forward in NB performance.
If the current NB does not allow you to enjoy the pleasure of enjoying an otherwise superior rig, I understand your frustration. And I hope that the 6000 won't be boxed up for too long. There are so many exceptional features that I am sure you will miss, and will enjoy once the NB "science project" is finished and released.
Ken - NM9P
Sorry to hear that you have packed up your Flex.
Remember that Flex being a "Software Defined Radio" is a work in progress. Meaning that it will always have changes made to the operating software and firmware.
Also keep in mind that the radio relies 100% on computer software for user operation. So if your not comfortable on a computer you may become easily frustrated.
I would recommend that you find a local "Elmer" that could help you when you need it.
Another option would be to set up Skype and one of us could walk you through the issues you are having.
This radio works as well as or better than any box and knobs radio out there today !
Tony's struggled quite a bit with his computer driven radio experiences.
I've offered to stop in during my occassional travels to help Tony. (Offer not taken up.)
Some of the woes he's had are:
- Screen ended up configured upside down (windows issue) https://community.flexradio.com/flexradio/topics/heres-one-for-the-boffins-lol
- Remote Audio issues (network/windows configuration woes) https://community.flexradio.com/flexradio/topics/no-remote
- Impatience with the next release (from three weeks ago) https://community.flexradio.com/flexradio/topics/1-5-when
- Struggled with his Flex-1500 too (was looking for unbundled firmware) https://community.flexradio.com/flexradio/topics/were-do-i-find-firmware-update-for-my-flex-1500-can...
- Wasn't happy that FRS didn't release the present version exactly when he wanted it (unrealistic expectations) https://community.flexradio.com/flexradio/topics/holiday-t3d83korm876
- Had trouble finding the input ports on his Flex-6500 (baffled?) https://community.flexradio.com/flexradio/topics/eqplus-and-2-microphones
His computer woes continued elsewhere as he has even had computer issues and got his QRZ picture upside down (that configuration buggaboo again?) https://www.qrz.com/db/M6DYR
Most seem like the sort of thing a friendly hand could help Tony with - perhaps we can take away from Tony's noisey (hopefully temporary) exit, this idea - - that we could work out some way to help out good folk like Tony who are having a bad time with the learning curve before they melt down?
This stuff is all too much fun to not reach out and share by helping (just like someone sometime likely helped us).
Tony, et al, this is an incredibly polarized group. You're going to have people blame you, rather than the product they've developed an irrational exuberance over. The Yahoo IHeartFlex Group is also polarized. I suspect so is the Yahoo IHeartK3. I am not a member of that so can't say for sure. The difference is, this IHeartFlex board is hosted by the vendor. In my mind, that makes it different as it is a corporately sanctioned fan club. Just as there are people that may have, as viewed by the group, unrealistic expectations, so too there are people in the group that, viewed by individuals, unrealistic beliefs.
There was, some time ago, an individual that put in print words the the effect, "If you don't absolutely love your Flex, you don't deserve to have one". Just in reading this thread, I read wisps of that in some of the comments, some are more than wisps.. Personally, I think in two years time, if all goes well, there will be little resemblance between the then current version of the radio to what is currently available. SSDR is merely a GUI and FlexLib is merely the conduit to the radio, so I do not count them in the ultimate success or failure of the FlexRadio SDR.
Regardless, we all have our own individual thresholds for dealing with this 'work-in-progress'. No one should feel bad if their 'free pass' reaches it's expiration date.
and I'm 60 yrs old and retired. It better last a long time LOL !!!!
I think Flex support has been great.
The only other time I've even heard of a zealot community blocking access to a vendor is in the aforementioned case of the protesters protesting at the clinic's door. That it is being by the vendor's design is just sad. If one wants to know what you think, we all know your blog's URL. If I, for one, have a question I want FRS to answer, neither I nor anyone else, should have to wade through other, perhaps well intentioned, opinions.
So while I think, in principal, what you espouse is fine, but just not here. Your mileage obviously varies. Tony is not the first person to leave here in disgust with a "fine, you guys win, I am gone". And, there will be others. The bright side of that Steve is, this will become over time a far more homogeneous group.
Tony, the problem with what you ask is FRS can't discuss what they may have in 6 months so, by definition, said DVD would always be dated information. The implicit issue is people purchasing something on the hope it will turn into something else. Just anecdotally, it's like the ubiquitous stories of a marriage premised on what one partner would hope the other will become (once married). That almost always ends with disappointment. Certainly it does require a huge dose of patience. Some have more of that than others.
A scorpion asks a frog to carry him across a river. The frog hesitates, afraid of being stung, but the scorpion argues that if it did so, they would both drown. Considering this, the frog agrees, but midway across the river the scorpion does indeed sting the frog, dooming them both. When the frog asks the scorpion why, the scorpion replies that it was in its nature to do so.
I knew what Flex was when I bought it, I was not stung.
Still would like to hear from Tony as to which features he felt were missing so maybe the community could get behind Tony to push those features to the top of the development list...
So in short, Stick with it! Oh and I'm an elder too, 62 years young.
There is no "free pass". That concept is simply a fabrication of yours placed on the radio. It purposely implies since the radio isn't finished there is something wrong. It's the nature of the radio to never be done by definition. It develops in a step-wise and systematic way instead of springing fully formed from the head of Zeus. I have news for you Zeus and your theory are both myths. In actuality the radio is more like a growing tree. What you are proposing is you would blame the farmer because his tree has not yet matured, even though it is actively maturing. It's the nature of the oak to be young and immature before it grows into its destiny. If a radio that is never done frustrates you then buy a radio that is set in stone like a Yaesu. It would seem to me you as a programmer would understand this.
Rather than adding to the existing Windows woes that I have to face from day to day, I'm holding off purchasing a 6K until such time as we can move beyond Windows. I understand the frustration. I have enough of it without Flex on the Windows machine. It's in the nature of Windows.
Still waiting and hoping...
I had an 80 meter friend that had a Flex 5000 and loved it... he sold it and bought a 6000 series and had it less than a month and sold it ... Said he would never have another 6000 series radio...
The reason I mentioned my 80 meter friend is to bring to point that beyond popular belief(by reading some of the comments here) FRS radio is not for everybody for whatever reason... All the persuading in the world will not work....
.I have been a Flex user for about 6 years and really like their products... I am spoiled with SDR radio.... I don't think i could ever go back to a knob radio... hihi
I have own a lot of radios over the years (including the Apache Labs series) and none have impressed me as much as the new Flex 6000 series ...(I have 2 now) The receiver is the best I have ever had.. I can't see me owning anything else...
That being said... I live out in the country away from most of the noise issues that many have to endure...So we all have our own reasons to either love/hate certain radios...
My hat is off to FRS for bringing Ham radio into the future with their products..
Good luck Tony, I wish you all the best and I hope your new Yaesu fits your working conditions better than your Flex did... 73
My Flex 6500 is the best radio I have owned and I have had a few! The TS590's I have are great too but no panadapter. I drove a friends FT5K and thought it one of the worst radios I have the displeasure to use.
Maestro will get rid of the PC, to an extent. And probably the 4O3A SO2R add on will go a whole step further.
I am not sure what the gentleman in question thinks is missing. Performance is outstanding, great feature set, easy to drive. Coupled with the Maestro it will be the killer radio.
So much so I want Flex 6.5K number two for my station ... nothing else on the market touches it.
My Flex 1500 and Powersdr was terrible ...I sent it back and got a refund.... the 6000 series is worlds apart and from what I have done with it .. top of the pile ... no way I want to trade that!
My 2 cents worth!
73 Simon ZL4PLM
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